Glad you guys like the idea! The scene with Biggs is (well, would be) my favorite scene in Star Wars. Like Harmy said, it adds more emotion to Biggs' death at the end, fleshes out a bit about the empire and whats going on in the galaxy and I think placing it after the dinner scene really adds to Luke's hopes/frustrations during the sunset scene.
Here’s an idea… tell me what ya think.
Dinner scene with Luke’s auntie & uncle. Luke gets up to leave…
-Luke: Looks like I’m going nowhere. I’m gonna finish cleaning those droids.
Luke walks off, then, off screen, we hear…
-Luke: Biggs?!
-Biggs: Luke!
-Luke: When did you get back?
-Biggs: Just now!
-Beru: Luke’s just not a farmer Owen. He’s got to much blahblah
-Owen: That’s what I’m ablahblah.
Then we cut to the cut scene of Biggs & Luke drinking n’ talking. Maybe add some vaporators in the background to make it look more like they are at the Lars farm. Biggs gives Luke his news & leaves. We then cut to the sunset scene (the Biggs scene could be adjusted to look more like it’s nearing sunset).
I think it would give the sunset scene even more gravitas.
CJackson said:
Official release.
I really suggest you check out some of the restorations some of the users here have made. Check out the works of Dark_Jedi and Harmy. They blow the official releases out of the pond in both picture and audio quality and they are the original theatrical cuts!
darth_ender said:
TheBoost said:
I want to see this dude added to the fight.
And this LADY re-dubbed with a lady voice (as "BigBadGMan" pointed out).
That would make the rebel pilots as a whole much more interesting.
Hey! I thought I said it first! I demand royalties and rights when you mention redubbing the woman's voice! In reality, I agree whole-heartedly. Not only is it more PC to have aliens and women, but it also shows that the Rebellion has neither the resources nor the bigotry to be picky and maintain uniformity when choosing pilots. It makes for a much more interesting Rebellion.
Agree all the way. This has to happen.
Also really like Bingo's idea about the dish!
timdiggerm said:
Idea I just had:.........
Problems:
- Does it even feel like Star Wars?
- I'm sure someone will tell me it's world-shrinkage or something
It's not world shrinking 'cause you're not re-using characters or tying things together in a way the film hasn't already established. But as far as"feeling like Star Wars"... it would be the only time in the OT I can think of that we spend so much time without one of our principal characters. We never really any information that happens outside of our good-guy/bad-guy circles. It's a cool idea and I think it would be a great fan film. But I don't think it belongs in ROTJ.
An actual BATTLE at the Endor bunker?! Hell yeah!
Hal 9000 said:
Just apply smoke to the whole film.
I usually do.
Oh wait, wat?
muddyknees2000 said:
Ok, first, what the hell is this thing? Why is it only perched on the wall in the scene where Han and Luke get "sentenced" and nowhere else....who's genius idea was it to mount a giant tongue on the wall.......and who else wants to see it gone?
I remember that thing was used as an enemy in the SNES game Super Return Of The Jedi! And, yeah, it's totally stupid looking.
I thought of something I liked! Wowee!
The pods. Not the pod race or the pod racers, but the pods themselves were really cool. Great designs on each one, great sound design, and very cool idea to make them like chariots. I like how each one looked like it was built from scratch to suit the individual pilots. And the use of real world parts made them much more believable than the CGI vehicles later in the PT. I also felt they were just about the only things that looked like Star Wars. Though it would have been so much better if instead of a NASCAR like event it had been more like an illegal drag race. Also would have been better if the film didn't spend so much time focusing on the race and how great a pilot Anikin was and how he could use the Force to help him out only to latter have him accidentally fly the spaceship then accidentally fly into the big space station and accidentally fire the missiles which accidentally miss his intended targets and just by dumb-ass luck hit the one thing that blows the whole thing up. yeeesh. Why spend all that time establishing facts that aren't used when needed?
Angel said:
Ady check this. Even its not movie production standards he has some good stuff to look.
http://www.niubniubsuniverse.com/home/home_asp/01menuDio.asp
-Angel
Wat? It's just pictures of toys.
twooffour said:
Fine, then, you just didn't bother to mention it - it just appeared as though you hadn't read it.
Just a tip for the retroactive future, if you'd said "I don't find any of that amusing, or entertaining, it's fucking lame", there wouldn't have been a misunderstanding :p
Then again, this new post gives me another reason to suspect the same.
You've just listed all the reasons why this scene doesn't work in the movie, which I'VE ACKNOWLEDGED IN MY ORIGINAL POST.
Yes, all the redundancy, the way it may not fit in with the rest, the problems with Jabba's character (and size), and obviously, the still fake-looking CGI - I've already acknowledged all that, so no need to tell me again.
All I said was why I kinda liked this scene DESPITE all of these problems (while still saying that it should've been left out of the finished movie).
Then, you bother to point me to the fact that you pointed out the flaws in that scene as if I hadn't noticed, while completely ignoring... MY RESPONSE TO ONE OF THOSE CRITICISMS.
But hey, you know... I'm not going there now. Not again.
... maybe it's best if you change the topic now :D
I don't find any of that amusing, or entertaining, it's fucking lame.
twooffour said:
Not really, it's just if you reply to a post of mine where I, at great length, describe all the "cool stuff" in that particular scene, line specific lines, or mannerisms (or the fact that this Jabba is much better than the original nervous guy in the funny hat, and makes some of the lines here more ironic than they'd been originally), as a direct pre-emptive rebuttal to the "this is just for more stupid CGI" attitude - I'd reasonably expect you to actually somewhat address my sentiment, and why, despite all the bullshit I'd said, you still think this scene has nothing more to offer than "stupid CGI mess".
But, you see, I disagree about all the "cool stuff" you listed about the scene. I don't think any of the dialog or mannerisms that you mentioned (or the ones you didn't) make the scene worth while. Just because you list the reasons you like it doesn't mean anyone else should suddenly say "Hey! I guess I DO like that scene!" Also, I did go into detail about why I don't like the scene. I didn't just say "It's a stupid CGI mess" and leave it at that, as you seem to be suggesting. So, who's not reading what now?
Tyrphanax said:
He didn't have a hat.
And this. ;)
twooffour said:
However, I'd vehemently disagree with the part where you say the scene is inserted "for nothing more than a CGI mess".
You certainly haven't read my post.
So, because we disagree, that means I didn't read you post? Right.
Harmy said:
Good news, everyone!!! I spent quite some time looking for the original 70s 20th Century Fox logo present in the original SW in HD and today, I got the original MASH movie on Blu and found out that it's there, so I'll be able to use it :-)
I already had the 80s Fox logo used in Jedi in HD from the D-Box Alien DC, so now I'll be able to use an actual HD Fox logo in SW as well.
That's great! Another step towards the original presentation!
Any idea when SW:DE 2.0 will be ready? (slap me if you've recently announced this info. Just popped on and saw this news and had to comment)
twooffour said:
that one line about Jabba's intolerance for lousy smugglers is really the only "sore thumb" in the whole business.
What about Han telling Luke and co. that he needs to get going because he's rushed? Originally, it was true. Jabba was sure to be pissed when he found out that Han just blasted his messenger and then took off to god knows where. In the Special Edition version, not only is Jabba not very upset at the loss of Greedo, but also gives Han more time! He isn't "rushed" in the least! Also, IMO, it stops the flow of the film dead in it's tracks for nothing more than a lackluster CGI mess that makes the previous scene with Greedo unnecessary. ALSO it ruins the big reveal of who and what Jabba is in Jedi.
greenpenguino said:
As the title says, at some point in those films there was something in it that you liked.
You do know what happens when you ASSuME things, don't you?
Bingowings said:
I am also here for the, as yet unannounced but inevitable 'knobbly-knees' competition which after years of preparation I have a degree of confidence in being in with a chance and of course 'hospitality nibbles'.
I'd enter this knobby-knees contest. I may not win, but I can promise I'll be a worthy challenger!
TV's Frink said:
Could that video player be any smaller?
Yeah, it's funny that the main feature of the page is the smallest thing on it.
Also, if Lucas just "can't afford" to restore and release the OUT, how 'bout saving money instead of wasting it on drawn-out animations of cgi lightsabers carving the bluray logo into concrete walls?
none said:
There was the Directors Guild of America credit dispute during ESB, could there have been another one earlier which LFL gave into, and this is the result?
I was wondering the same thing, though I don't really know much about the DGA's rules. Seems possible though. There has to be an explanation to justify the time and money spent, right?
Angel said:
adywan said:
If that position change directly followed the first shot then i would be all for changing it, but there is the shot of the switch flipping then the shot of Luke jumping out. He could have easily moved to the new position during these shots
Thats true!
The reflection and the missing lights tho problem remains ;)
-Angel
But maybe the lights turn off while the carbon freezer is running?
Stinky-Dinkins said:
Harmy if we get this disc stuck in our ask what do we do then? I ask because I accidentally got mine stuck in my ass.
You're gonna have to stick another one up there to get that one out. Like with jujy fruits or gummy bears.
doubleofive said:
The Tales from the New Republic and Empire are very much like this. One of them that sticks out to me is the story of a medic in the Rebellion who is drafted into a covert mission, which is his first time seeing battle. Sure, there's action, but its far away from "everyone is a Jedi or bounty hunter" the rest of the EU is.ray_afraid said:
Something I really dis-like about the EU is that everyone seems to be a hero or a villain with an amazing, action-packed story to tell. I'm much more interested in the average Joe and smaller stories that don't effect the whole universe. I'll be checking this one out.
Thanks for the tip! I'll check those out as well.
I've avoided this thread because outside of the OT (well, just SW and ESB mostly) I don't really dig on Star Wars. I'm not much of a sci-fi guy. I love spaceships and aliens and ray guns and all that, but hate all the babbling tech-talk and stiff characters that inhabit almost every sci-fi movie or tv show I've ever seen. So, anything that captures the feel of the original Star Wars film is something I'd be interested in checking out. Anymore suggestions?
Anchorhead said:
I found this one to be one of the better stories. Not so much because of the character, but because of the story itself and the way it is written.
He tells how he came to live on Tatooine (which would make an interesting novel itself) and why he stayed.
He's a big collector of music and part of the story is him trying to arrange to see the cantina band, who he thinks are fantastic.
This is another good example of expanding Star Wars, not relying on it.
Sounds nice! I've never read a Star Wars novel and enjoyed it, but these short stories seem like they'd be right up my alley.
Something I really dis-like about the EU is that everyone seems to be a hero or a villain with an amazing, action-packed story to tell. I'm much more interested in the average Joe and smaller stories that don't effect the whole universe. I'll be checking this one out.
Harmy said:
I wouldn't say we're quite there yet but thanks for saying so ;-)
But it feels great to have a version I can show to my friends and not have them sneer over the quality or being forced to watch the SE.
That's exactly what I mean when I say that you've saved Star Wars. I can now show the film without having to explain about the new additions or crappy transfer or horrible colors and how it's not quite the magical movie I grew up watching. Now I can just put it on and enjoy.
So to everyone who helped with this, thank you so much. It's a shame we can't go out and buy an official release of this film, but thanks to you Star Wars can still be shown as the wonderful masterpiece it originally was instead of the horrible mishmash of junk it's become.
rortiz77 said:
adywan said:
Someone found this:
http://www.fsk.de/index.asp?SeitID=491&TID=70&txtFilmtitel=star+wars
So about 46 minuted of extended(?) scenes for the PT and about 47 for the OT. Interesting that the OT ones seem to be split into two parts. But you could probably halve that running time because there are probably introductions included in that.
Thanks for the info, adywan. Maybe the 19 minutes are for alternate versions for scenes in the movie and the other 28 minutes are for entirely deleted scenes?
That would be great.
