ray_afraid

greenpenguino said:

ray_afraid said:

Back on topic, ruining the surprises of later episodes is like reading a book that begins by telling you how things will end and then proceeds to tell the story as if nothing was said.

Sort of like this then...

 

Bill Shake-y wrote:

"Two households, both alike in dignity,
In fair Verona, where we lay our scene,
From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,
Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.
From forth the fatal loins of these two foes
A pair of star-cross'd lovers take their life;
Whose misadventured piteous overthrows
Do with their death bury their parents' strife.
The fearful passage of their death-mark'd love,
And the continuance of their parents' rage,
Which, but their children's end, nought could remove,
Is now the two hours' traffic of our stage;
The which if you with patient ears attend,

What here shall miss, our toil shall strive to mend."

Wait...

did I just use Shakespeare to semi-defend the prequels?

 

See my post above yours.

Bill Shake-y wrote:

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, And signifying nothing."

The prequels remain undefended once again

:D

Ha!

skyjedi2005 said:

 

I am aware it was based on a French novel, not sure it ever received a proper English translation.

Hey that's really interesting. I never knew. Would be very strange if they never made an English translation of a book that spawned such a massive hit film. I gotta look into this!

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

ray_afraid said:

Back on topic, ruining the surprises of later episodes is like reading a book that begins by telling you how things will end and then proceeds to tell the story as if nothing was said.

In all fairness, it is possible to do this, but it requires extreme cleverness. The TV series "Columbo" worked this way... you saw the murder take place and knew who the murderer was, then you watched Columbo solve it.  But there were always surprises, and there was always the mystery of how he was going to solve the case.

yeah, it's possible and not even uncommon really. That's why I said "...and then proceeds to tell the rest of the story as if nothing was said". To pull off this storytelling style, you gotta keep in mind that the audience already knows what is usually the big mystery of the story and then make the story of how it all ended up that way unexpected and thrilling. When watching Star Wars from 1-6, there are no surprises. It's obvious early on by his words and actions that Annikin will fall to the darkside, which I guess was supposed to be the big unexpected turn of events in the PT. By the time we get to the OT and meet Luke, we already know more about him than he does and all the secrets of his parentage are already gone. So the big unexpected turn in Empire isn't unexpected at all.

Just a thought on viewing order. I see several posts where people are saying something to the effect of "They are obviously made to be watched 4,5,6 then 1,2,3. That's the way they were made, that's the way us original fans saw em, and that's how someone new to the game should see em." How would someone new to the game know that's how they are supposed to watch em? And why do people seem to think that's how GL expects them to be viewed? The new BD saga set has em in order from 1-6, so I'd say that's confirmation that this is indeed the way GL expects people to watch the saga.

Back on topic, ruining the surprises of later episodes is like reading a book that begins by telling you how things will end and then proceeds to tell the story as if nothing was said.

TV's Frink said:

Davnes007 said:

TV's Frink said:

skyjedi2005 said:

empire trikes back

I'd watch it.

Idunno...sounds kind of tupid, to me.

No, you're thinking of something else.  This is the long lost cut where the Empire uses trikes (otherwise known as tricycles) as their main weapons against the Rebellion.

If you thought the battle of Hoth was awesome before, wait till you see Darth Vader skidding into Echo base on his big-wheel.

Tobar said:

But it's the exact same voice! He's just speaking under his breath. =P

Dis.

TV's Frink said:

 

WhatsMyName said:

Chirtman said:

I was confused also by Vader one minute being on cloud city then on board his stardestroyer the next. I never could work it out ...... unless it has something to do with his mention of bringing his shuttle.

 There was a short scene in the Original version of the movie where he simply says, "Bring me my shuttle". However, i like the SE version of it better. I think it makes more sense that way.

POTD!

 

a,l,lol

Moth3r said:

Angel, have you actually watched this?

Yes there are some minor issues, but describing Harmy's work as a "rough cut and paste job" is insulting IMO.

Agreed!

Mr Ghostface said:

Bingowings said:

It may be possible to present that scene in a interestingly different way regardless of how well it was originally created.

This is a special edition not a restoration.

I can't speak for the techniques suggested as I'd have to see some examples to make a comparison but I'm not filled with rage by changing a scene in a film that already looks good if it matches ethos of this project (which to make a genuinely special special edition).

Change for change sake is bad but change to make some sort of visual difference which sits better with the other changes in this presentation needn't be based on just technical 'errors' or shortcomings in the original versions of either ESB or the various ESB:SEs.

 Isn't this exactly what Lucas gets lambasted for? Considering this is all a matter of personal preference, it's difficult to really criticise Lucas for doing what he wants with his movies when Ady and everyone else is doing exactly the same thing. Your first line in particular encapsulates it for me. Oh, don't get me wrong, I love fan edits, I just don't think the hypocrisy towards Lucas is very fair.

No, Lucas gets lambasted for not releasing the original theatrical versions of the original trilogy and for replacing it with his SE's. Also for using sub-par effects for his SE's which at times cause more continuity errors and other problems than the original version.

timdiggerm said:

...I hate to explain parody, because explaining jokes kills jokes, but it's apparently necessary.

I'm not saying the PT is worse than the Holocaust. I was parodying the extremes to which some people go when talking about the PT.

I just realized who you are (damned avatar changes!) and was coming back to say that I assume you're joking. It's just that I'm so sick of coming here and reading comparisons with GL/LFL and rape or the holocaust ect. that even when it's done mockingly it still annoys me. 

So, I apologize, sir. You're no dick.

timdiggerm said:

....fixing a travesty worse than the Holocaust (the PT, of course).

Wow. Dick.

skyjedi2005 said:

 

Hayden Christensens's acting i find to be so painfully bad i cannot even watch episode II or III without wanting to hit the mute button whenever he talks.

For someone who hates the prequels so much, you seem to mention watching them (or at least attempting to) quite often. Strange. I hate em too and so I haven't watched em since ROTS was released.

Back on topic, I think the visual design for Jar-Jar was really cool. I was really excited to see what he was like in the film (I kept myself from spoilers). Disappointing to say the very least.

Looks great!

DuracellEnergizer said:

 

ray_afraid said:

And a new verse by Sy Snootles and keyboard solo by the blue elephant.

Max Rebo gets no respect. :sadheadshake:

 

Damn right. None at all. Worst character design in the OT. Bah!

nightstalkerpoet said:

 

why not give us a version of the OT that looks totally modern. Bits and pieces of it already do, but parts of the film could be completely redone. By attempting to preserve some of the original special effects, Lucas is continuing to cheat himself of what he really wants: An OT that matches the PT. 

Strangely enough, this alone is why the OUT is not being considered for release in any decent quality: Because George does not feel that enough has been changed to warrant viewing both versions of the film.

But imagine that that shot at the beginning of the Tantive 5 (That sticks out as a total eyesore versus the very much cleaned up Star Destroyer) was replaced with a RotS quality cgi version. That there are Tie Fighters added to the scene to make the battle bigger and more important. Imagine that some of the most dated ship interiors were replaced with a digital bluescreen, then replaced with the beautiful CG interiors we've gotten in the PT... I mean, look at that ugly brown door on the Tantive.

Now replace the droids in the JAWA transport with decent looking ones (get rid of the walking trash can, etc.) Repopulate the Cantina with new cgi creatures.

Anything that is not a physical main actor should be fair game to change up...

If Lucas sat down down, and put the OT in Post Production in the same way you would an unreleased film, and fixed it with modern effects the way you would a modern film, we would have something absolutely beautiful and amazing, complete with the performances that we all love.

Eeeeeeeyuck.

nightstalkerpoet said:

And... with a totally altered film to show off, with a very very visible difference from the original... I think Lucas would release the OUT.

yay.

The Concierge said:

Is it a bad idea, following what's recently been discussed, to shift Luke meditating in the Tatooine cave to the Dark Side cave on Dagobah? It might go to show how much he's advanced by conquering it.

I'll just repost my idea...

ray_afraid said:

Here's the opening of Jedi that I'd love to see. It's quite close to what Possesed is working on for his edit, but still different. I'm no good at posting pics to show exactly what I'm talking about, but I hope you can follow.

Opening text would have to be altered to mention that Luke has returned to Dagobah to continue his training.

After opening text, we pan down to Darth Vaders Super Stardestroyer near the uncompleted Death Star

Cut to Darth Vader in his mediation chamber talking to Luke telepathically through the force urging him to join him on the darkside.

cut to the deleted scene of Luke in the cave working on his new light saber. Edit the exterior of the cave to resemble Dagobah. Luke shakes the voice in his head and continues working and then igniting his saber.

Cut back to the Super Stardestroyer and we see Vader's shuttle leave for the Death Star (why was he leaving from a standard Stardestroyer originally?) continue to the original opening scene with Vader and Jerrod.

After that, cut to Yoda's hut on Dagobah for Yoda's death scene. After Luke says "So I am a Jedi." Cut out Yoda's line about having to face Vader again and cut to him saying "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be." This way we get the idea that Luke has continued and now finished his training with Yoda. Yoda dies, the conversation with Obi-Wan is had and then cut to the Emperors arrival on the Death Star. That scene plays out like normal and then cut to the droids on Tattooine and continue from there.

This would give the beginning of the film a more menacing tone with Vader still haunting Luke and more of a build up to the action at Jabba's palace. Agree? Disagree?

eh? yes?

Ovan Marekal said:

The ridiculous look on Harrison Ford's face as he said "Scum?" was probably overdoing it; it's a good thing that part was cut, as we'd already had enough jokes that Han was the butt of in the film.

Yeah, that little part should stay cut out, but the rest of it is great stuff!

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

...bring back Carrie to sing the Life Day song in surround sound.

And a new verse by Sy Snootles and keyboard solo by the blue elephant. More poetry. More rhyming. Faster. More intense.

timdiggerm said:

Right, I actually think that works. I'm wondering if there's not a good way to restore Vader calling out to Luke (ROTJ Deleted scenes)... but instead of listening on Tatooine, he's on Dagobah, in the hut, leading right into Yoda's death.

Check out the link in my sig for my idea on this.  I posted it sometime ago, so it's buried somewhere in this thread.

It's never bothered me either. With R2's tricks and the groups own combat experience I'd say both sides come off looking pretty good. Chewie taking a shot to the shoulder and shrugging it off seems unrealistic and we've already seen that 3PO can't deflect laser blasts (if he could, he wouldn't be on Chewie's back).

Hal 9000 said:

"But... that's... not-the-way-it-happened."

I've never watched much Trek, so I don't know the characters or references, but that was really funny! This quote especially. It's now my go-to phrase when anyone mentions the SE's.

doubleofive said:

 

adywan said:

Well according to the set-up menu of the Blu-Ray it is the archival commentary.

My point still stands: There is now an official release that has Lucas' revising himself as you watch it.

 

Beautiful, isn't it? George makes art from irony the way some make it from iron.

adywan said:

Diego said:

From what I've seen, TPM looks fantastic, Star Wars looks about the same as the DVD (well a bit better since it's a blu ray) although I'd say the blacks might be even worse. Jedi looks awful, I don't know if anyone has mentioned (this topic has become too long to keep track of everything) but there's a part in Endor that looks particularly bad, like it's blurry or something.

yeh, i mentioned that. It's a problem with the 2004 transfer as there is no sharpness/ clarity drop on any version before that. It's as if the scan went out of focus for a whole section.

Of all the changes, "fixes", "improvements", ect, this going un-fixed is the most mind boggling thing. At least to this cat. Would it have been that big of a problem to try scanning this section again? If it was any other company, I'd say there must be nothing that can be done. But with the current state of LFL, I'd say they just didn't care.

Gaffer Tape said:

Hmm, it is surprising how tilted towards the other side this thread is compared to the one a few months ago.  So let me help push things back the "right" way. ^_~

Nope.  Wouldn't buy it.  It's not the original.  The movies don't need to be tweaked.  They don't need anyone's meddling fingerprints.  Just clean it up and slap it on a disc and make them look exactly as they did on opening nights of 1977, 80, and 83.  Simple.

Thank you! I was starting to wonder what weird site I had accidentally stumbled onto today!

No "fixes" no "tweaks". Just the films I grew up with in HD.