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I hate Star Wars
I do hate more of it than I like…
I hate Star Wars
I do hate more of it than I like…
I wish Dodanna & Tarkin were around for the whole trilogy.
The only one who can is posting here once again.
Soft-handed, soft-headed children in adult bodies everywhere! Scared to live! Scared to die! Souls crying out for real experience while trapped in a prison lazy, entitled flesh!
You can sit there & tell me about the films you seen, but nothing of your own experiences, because You’ve had none. Which leads to your dull interpretations of art, which was made by those of us who are actually alive.
This is directed at absolutely nobody here. But, if you felt a sting, take note. Make change.
ANH caps are up. https://caps-a-holic.com/c_list.php?c=5424
This comparison just shows how good the new ANH transfer is.
It shows how much better this transfer is.
It’s still not as good as it should be.
I also wish these sequel movies had more of a thematic connection to the wider saga. It would have been very poetic if the prequels were the fall of the Skywalkers, the OT was the rise of the Skywalkers, and the sequels were the legacy of the Skywalkers. Instead we got one boring OT rehash, one weird post-modernist take on the OT storyline, and one crossover fanfic where Palpatine meets the sequel trilogy characters. Hardly a cohesive trilogy, let alone a cohesive saga.
The problem with that is that doesn’t make for much of a story. If you want an ST that has the same stakes and style as the previous 6 films, you have to have some great evil threatening what the OT built. Timothy Zahn did it with clone Palpatines and Admiral Thrawn and his force inhibiting critters. To be epic enough and see if our OT heroes really did their job the ST has to threaten what they built in a significant way. We know on the Force side that Lucas basically came up with the Luke, Rey, Kylo (not a Skywalker) and Snoke structure and introcucing Luke at the very end of VII seems to have been Arndt, not Abrams. But we don’t know where either of them were going with the trilogy and if that would have been epic enough. Lucas has talked about the Whills, but no details. But for it to work and fit in, the ST has to endanger the results of the OT. The ST we got did that, though not to some people’s liking. Snoke being a clone and Palpatine’s puppet could have used some additional foreshadowing. To me it feels like a story development hiccough. They let Rian kill of Snoke because they thought Kylo was bad ass enough and then decided he wasn’t and needed something bigger. And thanks to Zahn, they had the ready made idea of a Palpatine Clone. Unless we actually get to see Lucas’s treatments (or even Arndt’s), we won’t know what the ST was going to look like before Abrams. Was it going to be epic enough? Was it going to work?
It seems like your biggest wish for a Star Wars movie is for it to be “epic”, when that was never what made the OT so appealing to so many people. The best moments in Star Wars have always been the quiet moments. Stuff like the binary sunset, and Darth Vader’s death. I think a more “epilogue” style sequel trilogy would be very much in that spirit. Much more OT style than Palpatine 2 with his 10,000 Death Stars making Return of the Jedi pointless.
Fantastic post. I feel like the spirit of Star Wars has been buried under epic clutter for 30 years.
I guess I’m in the minority, but I totally understand the desire to go back & mess with things. I don’t hold his bad SE ideas against him at all. Only that he’s suppressed the original. That’s what’s crazy.
Hopes n’ love, man.
New binoculars are great. I love the physical dial & light.
I hate Star Wars titles with references to Star Wars things in them.
Jedi, Sith, Force, Mandalorian.
Can’t quite say why, but it adds a level of… nerdyness(?) that I’m uncomfortable with.
The Mandalorian being the worst offender. Loved the show, absolutely hate the title. It’s a long, ugly, ungainly word & it’s total nonsense to the uninitiated or even casual fans.
Yeah, I always got the impression that George wanted to be able to screen it when he wanted & make it a big event. I remember him saying things like “Star Wars was supposed to be a special event that blew you away. Not something you watch everyday, but more like going to a rock concert.” This was around 1997.
He could also make changes between screenings & it would be harder for the audience to tell what was changed.
My answer is that Leia had no training & time was running out. I think Obi-Wan thought it would be too late to get Leia to the state she needed to be in to face Vader & overthrow the Emperor.
But the real reason is that the siblings thing is a bad retcon that created problems.
It was meant to be a love triangle. Thats why in the scene when Luke calls out to her she was able to hear him because deeep down it was Luke who she truly loved, not because she was force sensitive.
Nah. Han & Leia fall in love in ESB & tell each other so.
The “power of love” angle is lame & has nothing to do with this.
Luke is the one using the force here, not Leia. She’s just receiving the message.
Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine.
Kasdan envisioned the 3rd film ending with Luke going off to find “the Other” on his own.
My answer is that Leia had no training & time was running out. I think Obi-Wan thought it would be too late to get Leia to the state she needed to be in to face Vader & overthrow the Emperor.
But the real reason is that the siblings thing is a bad retcon that created problems.
^ Real world answer, Canon answer & OT answer.
Nailed it.
[edit: oh great, now the word “answer” doesn’t look or sound like a real word & I feel foolish. This ever happen to anybody else?]
Strawberry, orange, banana juice with vodka.
It’s very nice.
It’s much easier to do in a still.
And, as good as that looks, it’s still not “correct”.
About Leia, would it be too abrupt if it just cuts before she says anything?
She grins & looks hopeful, slight zoom toward her face, smash to credits & music.
This has long been my idea, but I’m afraid the shot isn’t long enough for it to work.
Anybody got any info on the brain-sucking slug thing? Why is it in the movie? Why add that in when it has no effect? How hard has it been for fan-editors to remove it? I mean, I’m assuming that’s been done, right?
Does anybody like it?Obviously, you don’t watch tentacle hentai.
No, no, no!
It’s just the non-effective mind-melt thing I don’t like.
Sorry for the confusion.
I don’t mind it being some sort of oracle, but why the threat of it melting your mind when it’s shrugged off like a drunken stupor?
And, yeah, now that you’ve said the name, I remember Forrest Wittaker barking it. And it’s pretty damn cool haha
^ Indeed!
Anybody got any info on the brain-sucking slug thing? Why is it in the movie? Why add that in when it has no effect? How hard has it been for fan-editors to remove it? I mean, I’m assuming that’s been done, right?
Does anybody like it?
So you really prefer the official one to the deepfake?
I don’t.
Taa-Daa!
This is normally where I’d say “let’s agree to disagree” but you obviously don’t want to do that, haha
Nah, I’m bored haha
But, I’ll stop.
I don’t.
Good grief man. We agree then. The deepfake is better.
Preferring one over the other doesn’t mean you like either.
So you really prefer the official one to the deepfake?
Wow. Ok. Shit, man.
Haven’t “rewritten” anything you’ve said. Dunno why you seem so upset.
I hope Derpfakes redoes the deepfake to match the 4K. I prefer it to the original.
Blow your top, I guess.
This sounds great!
If I’m using the word “ruined” to describe an effect, we’re probably not in much agreement, haha 😃
You said it looks better than the original. That’s all I’m saing about it. So, we agree.
You didn’t say the deepfake “ruined” the effect, but that you didn’t like it or the scene itself in the first place, which is a different subject.
the face itself is better
So, we agree that it’s better.
I’m not saying it’s perfect, just that I can accept it as Leia much more than the original.