Alright, added one more. This was my wife’s idea (as was the Enterprise). So we have 7 total options including the theatrical for seamless branching on the Blu-ray.
https://vimeo.com/421655865/736f7fb25b
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I like that idea, Nev. Hal?
I agree the Vader Tie genuinely works, so I definitely think that will be an option for those that want it. It’s posted to the “Master Clips” folder.
Here’s some Alts for the Tie replacement:
https://vimeo.com/421655865/736f7fb25b
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That’s beautiful!
Hmm. Bird poo would do nice! I added a bit more aging and burning, no big holes because the thing needs to be flyable and I want to keep it subtle. Same link!
Hal, I just posted this and the Falcon lightspeed Tie removal to my Master Clips folder and sent you a PM. Also, both vimeo links are downloadable, so the “Original” download file is the prores!
idir_hh!
if we could do this it would be great…
https://drive.google.com/open?id=19q4fbaAiW4oixi1ulZ8tr3KIphzZYSzU
jonh, those are great storyboards! Not sure how visually convincing it can be in motion, but very interesting!
I would even advocate for more extreme damage such as a hole in one of the wings and/or burn damage. Really sell the idea that it’s been through a Death Star explosion!
Heh, maybe I could try a little more! A lot gets covered up by the haze, but also the thing has to be flyable. It’s a little improbable either way!
Edit: It just occurred to me it’s hard to see some of these details on the vimeo. I made the file downloable from the link, and if you click the “Original” file it should give you the prores.
I updated the shuttle shot to add a little bit of damage/wear! I agree with smpearce that it would help sell the model a little more:
Shuttle Tie Replacement
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Also, here’s the falcon going into hyperspace with the ties removed:
Falcon Hyperspace - Ties Removed
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Skenera did a great job extending the shot, but now the the ties are gone you may not need that extra time.
Also also, for the Mustafar establishing shots, if we come up with a sequence that Hal is happy with, adding 1-2 shots, I can probably add the ties to whichever shots are chosen. Rather than mock-up so many different shots with ties though, I was thinking to wait until a sequence is cut that everyone’s on board with. The only shot that would be of questionable difficulty is the first RO shot going through the clouds, but if that cuts well with the others leading to Kylo on the ground we can try to make that work!
PM sent!
Slight update (same link):
https://vimeo.com/420155526
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I did actually bump the scale up a little bit. The model was about 1100 pixels high when it should have been about 1300. I didn’t scale it all the way up, though, because it didn’t pass the eye test for me, and like Nev said, it could just have landed a little farther away. (I can bump it back down if this doesn’t feel right, though).
The next trick I think is the lighting for the shuttle. I think the shuttle’s lightest light is a little too white or “bright.”
You have a good eye, jarbear! However, I wasn’t trying to match the lighting of the X-wing, I tried to match the lighting of the original Tie Fighter. Both the Tie and the shuttle have very sharp vertical wings which reflected super white in the original shot. I think it’s also because of the angle, where the X-wing is completely backlit from the lightning, creating a different effect.
jarbear, just updated and added a little more fog! (same link)
Knight of Kalee, thanks so much for those stats (I couldn’t find them, so I was using a big ship scale poster from the web!). I’ll take a measurement in AE to see how close it comes. Thanks!
Here’s an update to the Tie Replacement on Exogol:
https://vimeo.com/420155526
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I spent a lot of time staring at lightning flicker at 800% scale, so I could just be going mad, but I think it’s pretty close! If anyone sees any issues, please let me know. I made the shuttle a little bit bigger, but also curious how the scale feels.
Heh, I PMed Hal about that already! I just need skenera’s extension shot.
Respects to: idir_hh, poppasketti, Dominic_Cobb
Restructure 2.0
Putting it all together
https://vimeo.com/420424145
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DZ-330, restructuring like that, breaking up the heroes section by moving the spy message tease and Rey training before Kylo-Ren works so well.
One thing I remember from my first viewing in theaters was that it didn’t feel like time had passed because all of the falcon/Ajan Kloss scenes were bumped together. I remember hating the first 30 minutes of the movie because the pacing felt so clunky. We already had the reveal, but now we have to go through it all again with our heroes.
Your edit now teases a spy message, establishes Rey and reteases her inner darkness, then Kylo-Ren reveals what the spy message told, and also further teases some connection between Palpatine and Rey.
One thing leads to the next; that’s editing! Great job!
Edit: Though Hal and DominicCobb make good points about the spy message. Hmm.
Listen, man, don’t EVER bring that up here again. 😛
Oh no! Sorry, Hal, MR, everyone. He asked me that question in a PM and I directed him to ask the forum since I had no idea. It was me, I did it! Didn’t know there was baggage around that question. I suppose you’ll be wanting my badge and gun now.
Is the point of an edit to make the story better, or to fill time? Why is hitting a pre-determined runtime a goal?
I don’t think the issue has anything to do with runtime. It’s more about not smashing straight to the Palpatine reveal. If nothing else, the Mustafar provides a little buildup and anticipation of the Palpatine reveal. In a weird way, Mustafar and Exegol are edited like they are one scene, building towards a climax.
A lot of people (including myself, so bias) have worked on keeping this portion of the movie in… so if we remove it all together… all that work we did goes into the trash.
“That is the burden of all editors.”
Sadly, I don’t think this should be a consideration in whether something gets used. The work is always appreciated, and fuels ideas and discussions that lead towards a final decision, but if it doesn’t fit, it doesn’t fit. I learned a lot from my former boss. We spent an entire shoot day getting one shot, and in the edit room he decided to cut it without hesitation. It turned out we didn’t need the shot and he was right.
Mustafar establishing shots:
Is it tricky? I’m looking for someone to help add an X-wing to a background in the exactly way?
The tie replacement shot is very tricky because of all the rotoscoping and poor motion tracking with the environment lighting. Adding a ship when you can find a model is not too difficult with Cinema4D. It’s just basically relearning keyframing and lighting in a new program.
ok, imagine we opened the movie with kylo looking for wayfinder in coruscant, instead of mustafar, and that vader left the wayfinder in the ruins of the jedi temple. poppasketti, a question, how difficult would it be to obtain a 3d model of a ship of the first order to appear in shot just like in ANH and ROTJ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHfLyMAHrQE
if this were possible, we could include the montage of idir_hh, with kylo looking through the ship with the scene removed from TLJ, the temple ruins, and then with rotoscopes and some VFX, kylo entering the temple and finding the wayfinder…
We could probably find a model of a FO Destroyer, jonh. Rotoscoping Kylo onto the Coruscant surface though, that sounds tough! Bold idea!
Personally I’d like to see the first RO one (coming in through the clouds) with the TIEs. I like what poppa did with the Swedish forest footage but I dunno to me the shot still doesn’t quite match either the Mustafar we know or the one we see in TROS.
I agree this would be the best shot. Unfortunately, it’s also the most difficult to paint out the shuttle. I may be able to try that sometime, but I have a few things going on right now! Just in case, though, can someone send me the shot in prores (or something else sourced from the Blu-ray)?
Question: the shot through the clouds is very symmetrical and will definitely be recognizable no matter how you present it. Given that it’s not from a saga film I think it’s okay to be reused, but I wanted to check!
Here’s Kylo’s tie replacement on Exogol:
https://vimeo.com/420155526
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I went with the shuttle (sorry Chase Adams!) as that’s what Hal had wanted to see. The ship is still a little floaty; the track on that shot is near impossible, so it will need more refinement. I tried three different After Effects trackers and Mocha and still have to do much of it manually because of all that darn lightning and haze!
That explains the fortnite broadcast. It’s basically Palpatine’s twitter feed.
the suggestions help a lot !!!😃
Absolutely! Keep it up Broom Kid (and everyone)!
Also, jonh, you know, em, I’ll bet a lot of people would be interested in cut from you! Just sayin!
I love how you work !!! poppasketti for president!!! 😃
Are you going to make your own edition of TROS?
Haha, thanks jonh!! Back at you, buddy!
I don’t have any plans for my own cut, partially because I’m a little fried after editing TLJ (don’t know how Hal, DominicCobb and the others do it!), and partially because I don’t have any larger ideas right now about what I’d want to change. Nothing like your force-ghost magic! I’m just happy to watch the work and discussions on these threads and contribute bits here and there.
Also, I hope this isn’t coming across as “heated” at all!
Oh no, I’m sorry I put it that way! I should have said “passionate”. It’s intriguing to watch people work through a problem with good discussion!
Love reading the discussion (getting heated, but I think in a good way?!)
So you can better perceive the mockup of the open without Mustafar, I made a (quick) pass at the audio:
TROS - Alt Opening without Mustafar
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