http://cinema.library.ucla.edu/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=251&recCount=50&recPointer=1&bibId=124694
Looks like the UCLA has a film copy on 5 reels.
Yeah, I agree, this is possibly the only chance that will ever come up to know what this film really looked like.
And potentially some new scenes as well! Please get behind this everyone!
I'm in, send me a PM :)
I just realised I have the Japanese LD of this on my shelf, unopened!
I probably should transfer it.
I'm not familiar enough with the film to say, I'll check it against the Bluray tonight.
Being an Italian print, it could be a different cut, 9 reels means it should be a good length though.
There are often different reel change points on different releases, especially if one release was longer than another.
There are often a few frames missing around the reel change points on films that were run for a long time.
If checking the IB against the LD release, then I'd look to see if these frames exist on the LD.
If they are missing from the LD, then it is likely that the film has extra content, and would contain the sections from the LD as well.
If these frames *are* on the LD, then you can soon work out exactly where they are on the LD, and that should give you your answer.
It would be very cool is some new footage came to light as a part of this.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
CatBus said:
In spite of being derived from some Special Edition sources, I feel that the Despecialized Editions more accurately represent the theatrical experience than anything else out there.
This. Harmy's DE is what I remember SW looking like when it was first released in theaters. It didn't start looking "bad" until the prints started getting beat up over the course of a couple of years of showing over and over.
Otherwise, how on earth could Lucasfilm have made the blu ray look as sharp as it does, if the original film wasn't as least as sharp? You can't go in and make a better CGI Luke!
Well the negative is always going to be much sharper than the resulting prints, so it is in fact pretty easy to make the Bluray look much sharper and more 'detailed' than what was seen in cinemas in '77.
The truth is inbetween Lucasfilm's spin and people's rose-tinted memories.
The original movie is pretty rough in a lot of scenes, and it is soft, and insanely grainy in some shots. The colour grade is all over the place compared to a modern film, there is gate weave, and on some prints, excessive print-weave. Then of course the black levels are all over the place, the matte lines and garbage mattes are often visible and there are multiple continuity jumps and misprinted composites.
So, the original prints could be considered 'low quality' compared to the Bluray, depending on what your criteria for quality is.
I like the original versions in all their varying quality glory, but there are definitely scenes where you could easily argue that they constitute low quality.
The intensity extreme is great if you are running a laptop as your capture system, it costs more as it is an external unit.
The Intensity Pro is great if you have a PC with a good power supply and quality motherboard. It can pick up noise if you have a shitty supply or a noisy bus, the extreme bypasses those problems.
I've scraped together enough to get the last reel, so will be scanning it on the weekend. Then will get onto grading it to match the print.
On another note, anyone looking for HDDs, newegg has a 24hr special on 4TB drives for $129 with free shipping. Code is EMCPCHA27
Okay, sunset it is, will get to work on it shortly.
towne32 said:
kk650 said:
@_,,,^..^,,,_ : I've had a look at all three versions of Star Wars and yes I was right, the retro release is the one that looks most similar to your screencaps.
@Octorox: There is a blanket green tint over ROTS, its pretty subtle though so i'm not surprised that most don't notice it. Annoyingly it seems that imageshack has deleted all my comparison shots, i'll see whether I have the ROTS ones still lying around on my harddisk still.
Do you know if that green tint was there in the theatrical version? If it's slight, that may be a hard thing to figure out. Wonder if there were DVD screening copies floating around back then.
There is a 35mm print of ROTS up for sale at the moment if you want to know for sure :)
The resolution loss is significant though.
Although the BD is sharper than the prints in some areas, the extra resolution on the prints reveals some details not visible on the BD, and that simpy cannot be visible @ 720P (i.e. horizontalish stripes that would end up less than one pixel in height @720P end up becoming a block of colour instead of the stripes that are visible on film)
I'm forever finding fine detail on the print that would be completely lost at 720P, it probably isn't a big deal, but personally I am sticking with UHD resolution so that it isn't lost. I'm a pedantic bugger though.
Yeah, I know that guy, it is faded Eastman unfortunately.
I'll take a photo, looks like a gold disc, not very exciting.
Anyway, I'll stop clogging up the thread with collectibles :)
Anamorphic, yes. IB , no.
Video Collector said:
poita said:
Hahaha!
I think I own more legit retail versions of Star Wars than anyone on the planet.
Sorry, couldn't pass this up. I'm throwing down the gauntlet. See my sig. :-)
What, no Derran Super 8? ;)
I'm missing the PVD, and the Spanish ESB LD, and the Making of CED, but have the Derran Super8s. I have some other film editions, and one weird PAL laserdisc master thingo, but they don't classify as retail versions, so I will admit defeat! That is an impressive collection.
doubleKO said:
team_negative1 said:
poita said:
That wouldn't offer any protection of any kind in the real world though.
It's offered us plenty, and we are less visible than you are. Since you've publicly posted pictures of where of you live, and what you have.
We are almost anonymous. Nothing can be linked to the several members of our team, except what is known through this account.
Regardless of this, we are committed to being the only restoration effort with multiple copies of each film, and bringing the highest quality restorations possible with our knowledge and resources.
Team Negative1
Bla bla bla. Why do you feel the need to turn it into a competition? The team is obviously community-minded since they have already shared their work with Harmy and others, so I don't understand this attitude. You expressed frustration at people bringing up the issue of your scofflaw account, then proceed to practically brag about it...
It's funny how many of your posts have the exact same recipe of egotism/neediness/obliviousness that negative1's did. I'm sure most people don't doubt the team's resources or commitment, though I'd wager more than a couple doubt the mental coherence of their spokesperson.
I don't see any of this as a competition at all, I fully support anyone trying to preserve Star Wars on any format, it is hard work, but also lots of fun.
I'm a big supporter of the team, and have provided a ton of resources to the -1 effort, and am looking forward to seeing their final results.
I just reckon that any thoughts of being anonymous in this day and age are unlikely to be realistic. I have no doubt that if the wrath of Disney or Fox et al is brought down, then it would not take them long to find anyone :)
You found my yearbook photo!
Thanks for all the suggestions, keep them coming, I'll start work on Monday.
I'll try to upload some stills of other scenes requested if I get a chance.
Then it will be nose to the grindstone time...
OMG, an OT thread is going OT again ;)
That hardly ever happens around here.
Hahaha!
I think I own more legit retail versions of Star Wars than anyone on the planet.
Awww. everyone loves a sunset.
I think you mean h.265
Good news is that 10bit HEVC has just been confirmed for the UHDTV standard (aka consumer level 4K). The increase to 10bit is great news for contrast and colour and reduced banding artefacts etc. This is required for the Rec. 2020 colour space.
So h.265, 10bit, UHD 3840x2160, Rec. 2020 all adds up to a beautiful way to watch quality content.
The European standards group also said that contrast would be drastically improved by increasing the number of bits per pixel to 10 bit. Level 5.1 of the HEVC Main 10 profile is specified for UHD content for resolutions up to 2160p. - See more at: http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/dvb-confirms-specs-for-uhdtv-and-ott-in-europe/271256#sthash.vkQeGbZk.dpuf
That wouldn't offer any protection of any kind in the real world though.
I embarrassingly haven't sat through the SE since I saw it at the cinema, have only ever looked at it in parts. That is why I was interested to see what footage people would really want to see from the OT. I was expecting something with spaceships ;) , but I'll be onto this next week, so will go with whatever is the most requested by then.