penguinofgreatness

zeropc said:

looks like the sword in the stone blu-ray is cropped to 16:9. original aspect ratio is 4:3.

Doctor M said:

During the Xerography era from 1961 to 1981 the original aspect ratio of Disney's animated features is unclear.  The films were animated at 1.33:1 with TV broadcast in mind but matted to widescreen for theatrical release.  Most early DVD releases of these films are unmatted 1.33:1 but some newer ones are being re-matted wide (about 1.75:1).  These films are denoted with "OAR?".

It likely would have been matted to a widescreen aspect ratio in the theaters and shown on television open-matte. The bluray is arguably more authentic to the original presentation in this regard.

hairy_hen said:

To use The Matrix as an example: there has been talk of the Bluray soundtrack being inferior to previous versions, and I have to say I'm baffled as to where this claim comes from.  After having heard it numerous times on the old DVD, I found not even the slightest hint that anything on the Bluray had been altered.  In every way it was exactly the same mix—same balance, same dynamics, same everything.

It's good to hear that the bluray has the correct audio. I only ever heard the bluray audio (I've seen the DVD version, but only with junky TV speakers) and I'm glad I wasn't missing out on anything.

The first 2 Mummy movies (w/ Brenden Frasier) have some added DNR and EE on Bluray. Band of Brothers also has some slight DNR added for the Bluray.

Turisu said:

The Matrix bluray doesn't have a blanket green tint across the whole movie; in fact the 'real world' scenes have pretty much the same color timing as previous releases. Scenes set in the matrix itself always had a slight green tint, but the bluray ramps this up to 11 and makes some other questionable color changes to these scenes.

Here are some good examples of what I'm talking about: (EDIT: It should be noted that although the screens on this page all from DVD releases, the most recent DVD has the same color timing as the bluray)

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/the-matrix-visual-comparison.html

I looked at samples of his his regraded version; it basically makes the colors very neutral and un-Matrix like. I actually sort of liked the "up to eleven' bluray of the Matrix, it looks very bold. I just wished it hadn't replaced the theatrical version.

Turisu said:

The thing is kk650 freely admits that these regraded release aren't restoring the original theatrical color timing. They've just basically been white-balanced but in the case of BR releases that have a blanket tint added throughout the movie this may be preferable for some.

I have to say his HDTV-based release of AOTC does look so much better than the Blu.

Yeah, I noticed, which means the Matrix still won't look anywhere near theatrical. A neutrally color-timed Matrix will likely look really boring (the original version also had heavy tints, they were just different colors).

DoomBot said:

What's AOTC?

Attack of the Clones.

AntcuFaalb said:

penguinofgreatness: I'm not saying it wasn't digitally changed. I'm saying that the gate wave suggests that it wasn't entirely-reanimated like Sleeping Beauty.

I agree with you. I was just suggesting that it's likely that its color palette has been changed, so earlier color references would be nice.

The Hobbit one sounds interesting. Did they change the colors of the film for Bluray, or were the colors like that in the theatrical version as well? It would be very surprising for a film to have its coloring changed so soon after release.

It's possible it could have been digitally changed. The gate weave might have happened when they transferred the '93 print to laserdisc.

For example, the GOUT has a lot of gate weave related to the equipment used in the transfer (the print they used was likely far more stable).

However, the rotoscoping process sounds newer, and all wikipedia says is:

In 1993, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs became the first film to be entirely scanned to digital files, manipulated, and recorded back to film. The restoration project was carried out entirely at 4K resolution and 10-bit color depth using the Cineon system to digitally remove dirt and scratches and restore faded colors.

I think the most you have to worry about is color changes.

Doctor M said:

Dumbo: Disney you make me sad!  I took these snaps tonight.

60th Anniversary Preservation vs Bit Top Edition vs 70th Anniversary Edition

OMG! They all suck!

(downloadable screenshot comparison available in first post)

The 60th looks to be the best out of all of them. It seems to be pre-extensive-digital-fuckup, and has quite a bit of grain. I just picked up this version at Goodwill, so this makes me happy.

The 60th does appear to not have the original soundtrack, only a 5.1 remix. It would be nice if someone could sync up the original track

EDIT: Your comparison for the stork links to the wrong image for the 70th edition.

Molly said:

Doctor M said:

Edit: Okay, confirmation about Disney rotoscoping out characters, adjusting separately, freezing the background and recompositing.

WTF?!

ETA: If this is what they're doing, that's tantamount to reanimating the film... that's even worse than Lowry destruction. Makes it all the much more important to ensure that un-screwed with editions of all their movies are out there and remain out there, instead of being replaced with...ugh, words fail me.

That's what they do during the Lowry "Restorations." A dvd extra confirms this (I think it was Cinderella). Disney does this to almost all of their "golden age" films. It's disgusting.

captainsolo said:

Does anybody have the old pan n scan/open matte LDs of Godfather I and II that had digital sound? After watching the BD, I'm fuming over the mono's relegation to the far corner over the nice and clean overdone 5.1 track. Hopefully someone can confirm that these are accurate as I'd love to use them over the surround track.

Doesn't the Bluray have the mono track?

Recolortiming the HDDVD/Bluray would be a huge undertaking as there are a lot of color differences from shot to shot. I would just recommend syncing the DTS to an unchanged source, probably the first DVD or the HDTV (you would need to crop the HDTV to get it back to its original aspect ratio). You could also sync it to the BD/HDVD if you really wanted.

I think the HDVD has the exact same video encode as the bluray. I have the HDVD and it definitely has the altered color timing.

zeropc said:

i just finished syncing the thx ld audio for aladdin to the blu-ray and i wonder if the original version of arabian nights ever made to the soundtrack cd.

can someone bring light into darkness?

btw, i will do the same syncing for the little mermaid when the blu-ray hits. i doubt disney will include the original surround mix. i have the thx ld and the audio is just sitting on my drive till then :)

It did make it to the soundtrack. It's the only place to get the original.

The HDTV broadcasts of BTTF will almost certainly have more detail then the MUSE laser discs. Still, I would be interested to see what a MUSE disc looks like.

I think the whites are a bit blown out on your sample, but it still looks ten times better then the BD. I think it would be best to not try to remove the video noise (already lost a lot of detail as is) and simply cover it with grain.

Season 26B said:

New clip for your viewing pleasure, entitled "The Enterprise is Home":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x5vi2h5geY

 

I loved this, it's well edited and rather touching. The star overlay is too distracting, but I really loved this clip.

That sounds really great. When you are done, would it be possible to release general EQ settings (like for VLC) that we could use to listen to the official cd soundtrack?

I don't have those, but I do have MaximRecoil's 1984 style cases, which similar and fantastic.

Download:https://www.box.com/s/piixpilum4u6ypv2dz4b

Original Thread

God, that's disgusting looking. Awful color timing, horrible DNR and contrast that makes it look like it was shot through a fog.

The HDTVs don't look too hot either, but they could probably be worked with.

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I would highly recommend it.

dvdmike said:

Didn't find any evidence of massive DNR, the picture looked clean with lots of detail.

I can name 3 people that would spout that over there now that I am most of the guys left, its just mostly fanboy bull shit there now, there is a TON of DNR hyperbole on full 

I think he was talking about the 3D version shown in theaters. It certainly had DNR applied (for the 3D conversion) but I don't remember it looking anywhere near as bad as the new Bluray caps I'm seeing.

I'm very content to just get the old Bluray. It does look very EEed, but that doesn't bother me nearly as much as DNR.

Ah well. Still, it was a really cool idea.

g-force said:

Trust me though, there's no fixing the DVNR.

I'm still hoping for a followup to AntcuFaalb's Chroma/Luma separation technique. This is where he removed the Gout's Luma (with the DNR) and replaced it with warped Luma from a DNR-free laserdisc. I loved the results of that sample clip and thought the idea looked very promising. The result looks like a high quality laser disc with far less video noise. (Because all the video noise now only exists in the Luma and is B/W.)

Best of all, it's a DNR-free GOUT! I'd be interested to see if this is a practical idea to do for the whole movie.

dvdmike said:

vbangle said:

pittrek said:

Are the official Blurays the theatrical versions or the "special editions" ? Are the WoWoW broadcasts still necessary ?

I think there is a slight color grading difference between them, other than that, I think they are the same...maybe the BD was de-grained?

Yep the BD has DNR on the effects shots 

The Bluray removed the snake reflection but the other "tweaks" are gone.

How much DNR is on the effects shots? I saw the IMAX version and there was almost no DNR, I only noticed a bit of frozen grain in the first globe/map scene. I've been thinking of picking up Raiders soon and I hate DNR.