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Doctor M said:

I disagree.  Many of the xerography animated films end up with bits cut off that don't look like they should have been when theatrically matted.

That could be just another example of Disney being slap dash in their home video releases, or the animators figured they had the whole page and used it.

FYI, the HDTV version floating around is less compressed looking than the iTunes version.

I think many of the versions released at 4:3 tend to crop the sides quite a bit. This would mean when matting to widescreen it would be over-cropped. This would carry over to their bluray releases if they didn't create a new master (and they certainly didn't for Sword in the Stone). One solution for us would be to just matte at a taller widescreen ratio (like 1:66.1).

dvdmike said:

Got a near flawless one now, still testing 

 Sweet. This is a great project.

dvdmike said:

Got a file that plays perfect in VLC and barely at all in MPC.....

 That sounds alright to me. If you release it, some member might be able to see what's going wrong. (And if not, it plays in VLC.)

Doctor M said:

Mickey's Christmas Carol wasn't listed because it wasn't a theatrical release.

It actually was.

bkev said:

Looks like Mickey's Christmas Carol got a very DNR-happy release.  We're not talking Sorcerer's bad, but damn if it isn't close.  Plus your standard cropping, but I'm less worried about that due to the fact that it was likely presented this way at one point.

That is absolutely disgusting. It's that same awful filter they used for The Sword and the Stone. I think this is some of the worst DNR I've seen on bluray.

ChicagoVader75 said:

Video Collector said:

I said to myself, I'm not gonna do a Star Wars set. Everyone else is doing it. And if I WAS gonna do a Star Wars set, I certainly wasn't doing a Drew set. Everyone is doing a Drew set...

*sigh*

would love to have this set!

PM Video Collector and ask for it.

maaaaan said:

Does anybody have the famous sketch by Ralph McQuarrie of Luke looking out on Mos Eisley in high res?

Here you go. Only 1600x800 (and a bit wonky), but it's the best scan I've come across.

The green tint (for the hobbit) was present in the theatrical version, or at least I remember it being there. I don't think they changed the bluray or anything like that.

captainsolo said:

The LD is supposed to have DD audio with slightly better dynamic range, though I doubt by much and may or may not have better timing.

I believe Hairy_hen said that the audio is pretty much identical across releases, and the reason some find it different is just because they play it back at different volume levels.

captainsolo said:

What is atrocious is the complete reworking of the soundtrack from new elements and the abandoning of the original, despite the DVD multichannel mix being a bit restrained  (made very obvious in the new 35mm which used this track unlike the IMAX version).

I may get some flack for saying this but I actually prefer the LD for picture despite the aliasing as it seems a bit more natural than the DVD and it is similar to the VHS I grew up with.

Audio...LD wins. No contest. Hands down. End of discussion. The score's integration alone nails it along with directional panning and fine detail not present in the DVD 5.1 derived from the 70mm master.

I was under the impression that the Blu-ray sound mix was just the same as the DVD (70mm), with the rears redone for 7.1. Is it really significantly different from the dvd? (I've only seen the IMAX version, so I don't know.) I really like how the DVD sounded.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Here you are some screenshot comparisons; I used .png images taken from caps-a-holic.com; top BD, middle ColourMatch'ed BD, bottom DVD (click for larger images):

...now you know why they call it BLU-ray... the snow scene reminds me someTHING... (^^,)

Are results perfect? No, of course. But a really good compromise, and a decisive improvement over the BD colors, do you agree?

OK, time to sleep now, 1 a.m. here. Good night!

Damm. That is fantastic. ColourMatch creates some great results.

You_too also made an avisynth script, which you can re encode your bluray with: http://fotrfix.blog.com.

dvdmike said:

Orange flags......

The best kind of flags. ;)

captainsolo said:

BB and TDK are both older masters with different color timing and in places excessive DNR to remove the natural grain of 35mm--with neither resembling the original theatrical presentations in either digital or film--especially the film prints.

BB is in dire need of a remaster and despite my loathing of it, so does TDK. The IMAX scenes ideally would be at their original 1.44:1 ratio and then seamlessly switch back to 2.35:1 for the Panavision 35mm majority. But the 1.78 was a compromise to the usual "Joe Schmoe" video average who supposedly favor pan n' scan releases to lose letterboxing bars. (also the reason why nearly 100% of films are cropped to fit a 1.78 hdtv frame nowadays--but this practice goes ignored.) You still get the sense of a larger scope due to the increased resolution in both originating camera negative and pixels on your screen, but this is somewhat negated by cropping and then the DNR on top of that.

TDKR looks better being a modern transfer, but it has the same problem when coming down to aspect. That said the 35mm sequences look better on the BD than the IMAX 65mm print, because those were so nasty looking that they more closely resembled projecting a video onto your childhood bedroom wall. The flashback scenes taken from BB and TDK were especially bad and were filled with digital noise.

All the IMAX scenes were framed to work when cropped down to 2.35:1 (for normal theaters), so they actually work alright in 1.78. I do wish they gave us the option to switch to 1.44:1. (and a proper transfer, but that's unlikely.)

zeropc said:

may i ask why the ld audio was upconverted from 16bit to 24bit?

afaik re-sampling ld audio from 44.1khz to 48khz for dvd/bd usage is basically lossless, if a high quality sampling tool is used. so is there any benefit also changing it from 16bit to 24bit?

 

Nope. If it's 16 bit to begin with, you can't create more detail. (And even if you could, the difference between 16bit and 24bit is impossible to hear, unless you have magic ears.)

Nien Nunb said:

Is the Vudu version slathered in DNR and EE?

I think they all have ridiculous EE. If a new transfer was discovered, that would be very interesting .

I don't know very much about sound production, but I think that while sometimes alternate takes and edits are used for the soundtrack, the scene you seek should be the same take on the cds. The problem is that all the soundtracks have different mastering and EQ than the movie.

Your best bet is 7FN's transfer of the Star Wars LP. I'm guessing this should sound closest to the movie. If that doesn't work, then you could try the 1993 Anthology cd or hairy_hen's adjusted isolated score version of the Special Edition Soundtrack (the stock SE soundtrack has really harsh EQ). Good luck!

Edit: I remember that You_Too made a filtered version of the center channel of Star Wars specifically for voices. He used a different program then audacity so it might be a better starting place for you. If doesn't still have this I still might.

Everyone hates Imageshack. This only good image host is imgur.

I would go with the 1997 SE mix (some forum members recently released the theatrical DTS version) rather then the Bluray/DVD mix. The 97 mix is a solid remix, but the 2004 mix sounds rather awful. It's all muffled and dynamically compressed, with a droning bass sound.

I believe the the LFE track comes from the 1997 SE mix (sourced from the laserdisc). The 2004 mix is too disgusting to be very useful .

Spaced Ranger said:

Hear! Hear!
So ... would someone with an account on Wikipedia go to George Lucas filmography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Lucas_filmography to correct this entry ..

There is a section about this on Star War's Wikipedia Talk page, if you would like to add your opinion.

Oh, okay.

Disney might have dreamed of widescreen, but Fantasia was defiantly made at academy ratio (1.37:1). The latter widescreen re release was a crop/stretch job.

Nien Nunb said:

I will definitely check that release out, I didn't realize it was a new transfer.

I've seen those "Mastered in 4K" Blu-Rays advertised on various sites but I didn't really know exactly what they were until I looked them up just now. So from the sound of it they are basically just the Blu-Ray equivalent of Sony's Superbit line of DVDs from years ago and not actually true 4K? I guess that explains why they fit onto a BD 50, lol.

What I don't understand is why are films like the Total Recall remake being released in this line? Why wouldn't a film that recent be sourced from a 4K master to begin with?

The "4K line" name is just designed to confuse people who have heard of 4K TV's. They hope people will think the disks themselves are 4K.

NeverarGreat said:

As long as it's green, the correction isn't entirely correct. And it is a small detail, but color correction demands attention to such details, for they often lead to uncovering systemic issues, such as the green highlights or the blue and pink tones throughout the movie. I believe that addressing these on a global basis is the best way to deal with the problem, for they are often global changes and aren't limited to a single shot or scene.

Your global color correction looks great, but props are not really a good color reference, as the finished colors of a film often look far different from those in real life.