That is some great work - and nice choices of art too.
It’s always nice to have options and possibilities for our Star Wars covers & art 😃
Please give some consideration to starting your own thread so it, and maybe all your top work, can easily be found in one place (no worries if not) - and thank you for sharing.
Good to see the little guy getting out and about, enjoying the sea view and weather, in his beach chair, string vest and napkin on his head (old British stylee), probably reaching out to old Qui-Gon again…
oojason said:
I love these type of retro covers…
Those CBS-Fox boxes are awesome. I remember when they were current. Fantastic work with these retro covers of late. That one has to be my favorite so far.
I can almost reach out remember the feel of the old type of paper they used for vhs covers back then 😃
Does anyone else miss the CBS/Fox logo fanfare at the beginning of a Star Wars video? Rewatching an OT LD recently reminded me how much I associate it with Star Wars.
Ha! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2hChR9-naU
There were some great old intros for many companies pre-film/video back then - and seemed to have a ‘rawness’ to them (likely the bad video sound quality 😃)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBvi8opWTiQ - a 3 minute video from the official ILMVFX youtube channel
(‘This full-length reel represents a sample of the work created for over 1750 shots by hundreds of artists, scientists, and engineers around the world’.)
Really dig this:
Cracking picture - some nice work has gone into that - a very nice homage to Empire 😃
Thanks for the local context. All this stuff I picked up ages ago out of curiosity and a paper I did on the MPAA in college.
I seem to remember there being a lighter rating for kids, too - “Uc” or something, maybe?
There is an R18 rating in the UK - usually reserved for specially licenced sex shops and cinemas.
An E rating also exists for ‘exempt’ - usually sport, music and educational videos - though I can’t remember seeing one for a long time now; the E rating, not the R18, obviously 😃Spend a lot of time in those sex shops, do you? 😉
Ah, nice one (on the MPAA paper) 😃
Yes, the old ‘Uc’ used to be for releases for younger children for on video (the sort of stuff toddlers and under 5’s would happily watch) - though I haven’t seen one (a title with a Uc 😉) in years now.
This is site normally quite decent for differing cuts and edits for movies and their various releases (and does often contain pictures of comparisons) - though it’s not too great for Temple Of Doom - http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=4643
UK ratings are:
- U (equivalent to US “G”)
- PG (equivalent to US “PG”)
- 12/12A (equivalent to US “PG-13;” from here on out, no one under the specified age is allowed in the theater or to purchase a copy, period - EXCEPT for 12A, which is theaters-only and a recent addition; under 12 requires adult accompaniment; 12A movies are all 12 on home video, so no one under 12 is allowed to buy them at all)
- 15 (kind of a split equivalent to either a hard “PG-13” or a soft “R,” depending on the movie)
- 18 (equivalent to a hard “R” or an “NC-17”)
So if a movie is rated R in the US, it might be either a 15 or 18 in the UK. And the other ratings aren’t 100% for sure analogs, either - some PG-13 US movies might be PG in the UK, some might be 12A/12, some might be 15.
The other important thing to note is that UK ratings are mandatory for all media - it’s illegal to distribute a movie unrated in the UK, whereas in the US it’s not a law at all, just generally difficult to market and distribute unless it’s digital or home video.
Aye, in the UK, Temple Of Doom had a ‘PG’ rating back in 1984, but has been a ‘12’ since 2012, and there was a 5 minute difference between the cinema and the video releases back in the 80’s:-
http://bbfc.co.uk/releases/indiana-jones-and-temple-doom-1984
There is an R18 rating in the UK - usually reserved for specially licenced sex shops and cinemas.
An E rating also exists for ‘exempt’ - usually sport, music and educational videos - though I can’t remember seeing one for a long time now; the E rating, not the R18, obviously 😃
Right Said Fred’s _I’m Too Sexy. Okay, maybe they technically have other songs, but really who’d know?
What about ‘Deeply Dippy’?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZXQOJiqQM
“Deeply dippy bout the way you walk, a contact sport, let the neighbours talk. Deeply dippy I’m your Superman, I’ll explain, you’re my Lois Lane”
Their whole debut ‘Up’ album is a pop classic (first CD I bought in '92). Every song sounds like it could have been a single (half of them were). I could sing every lyric. I’m not joking, really I’m not joking.
You are Richard Fairbrass?
I knew it! 😉
For me, album wise…
Manic Street Preachers
Fine Young Cannibals (not a lot I know - but of my youth)
Deacon Blue
Pink Floyd
Carole King
The Beatles
The Smiths
The Cure
The La’s (not a lot I know)
Cast
Electronic
New Order
Madness
Sheryl Crow
Stone Roses
The Specials
The Beat (aka ‘The English Beat’ for our US friends)
The Last Internationale
The Housemartins
Beautiful South
Echo & The Bunnymen
Elvis Costello
The Bangles
I used to listen to them all at various times - though I likely couldn’t name many songs at all - apart from if I started listening to the albums again.
Here is my statement/open letter defending Warbler here:
When in the course of forum events, it may sometimes become necessary for forum members to be banned, temporarily or not, by the moderation of the forum. It is my opinion that a miscarriage of justice was committed when Warbler was banned on Sunday.
While Warbler’s posts regarding the issue of the National Anthem may have been inflammatory, such is the nature of an argumentative discussion. A certain level of leeway must be allowed, as long as all people feel comfortable in the discussion. As I did not see any complaints of legitimate offense during the course of our previous discussion, I feel that it is safe to say that all people felt comfortable in that discussion. Angry, yes, but comfortable. If certain people did not feel at ease because of Warbler’s presence, my opinion may have been different.
Next, I feel that there is an amount of contradiction of actions by the entirety of the moderation on this board. While many other, more inflammatory members have continued to roam free on this forum for many months, and in some cases, even years, Warbler got punished simply, in my opinion, on a first offense. This also leaves open the door to the question of if this action has belied prevailing political opinions that some may have.
Interesting discussion requires a reasonable variety of viewpoints. Some viewpoints, such as white supremacism, are unacceptable, and I am not saying that those viewpoints are within that reasonable variety. However, I do believe that Warbler’s viewpoint, at this moment, was in that reasonable variety.
I do respect the right that the moderation have to discipline any member however they see fit, for any reason, or for no reason at all. I 100% believe in that right, and would fight for it. However, I do also believe in the right to voice grievances of the leadership of any organization. These are my grievances, and I hope they are considered by the leadership here.
I am in agreement with many of your well-made points - though a ‘miscarriage of justice’ may be laying it on a little thick somewhat.
Since making your post you have likely read the reasons as to why Warbler was given a couple of days off in the form of a cool-off temp-ban (I have got to come up with another way of stating this - as I think I’m wearing down these specific keys on the keyboard too much). The decision to do so taken after he had stated he stopped listening to everyone, and when asked to once again explain himself in a better fashion he stated it would be a waste of time - and continued to post inflammatory posts (and likely would have posted more).
I took the decision to put those posts to a halt - partly for the reasons given since, partly as he wasn’t engaging in any meaningful conversation with other posters, and as a moderator I have a duty to the site to try ensure some level of reasonable discourse; I certainly wasn’t comfortable with the was the thread was heading.
On your next paragraph re ‘amount of contradiction of actions by the entirety of the moderation on this board’… as said elsewhere I can’t comment on those past things - I haven’t seen them, I wasn’t a mod at the time and am unaware of the history thereof. Was this at a time when the ‘Off Topic’ section was unmoderated? I can’t speak for the other mods. Everyone else in that thread was told by me (in the very same post that I let Warbler know he was being given a couple of days off) that the same cool-off temp-ban would apply to them if they did the same as what he did on Sunday night. If Warbler had written his posts in a reasonable non inflammatory manner, he’d still be here - regardless of political opinion. Other posters on the ot.com may have received similar to Warbler, though it may not be publicly known to members in general.
Variety in viewpoint is indeed a requirement for interesting debate and should be encouraged. His viewpoint in the main was fine - the delivery was not, nor was his stance at being asked to explain himself better.
Re your final paragraph - I agree with the mods having the right to ‘discipline’ any poster they see fit - though I disagree with it if it were for no reason at all. I do completely agree with your assertation in the belief to the right to voice reasonable grievances of the leadership of any organisation too.
I hope I have answered your questions both adequately and satisfactorily - though accept you may not like or agree with (some of) the answers given. Please feel free to PM me if you have any further questions - thank you.
Is Warb banned again?
Unfortunately, yes.
This time for a week - another cool-off temp-ban.
For the time being this post is locked. It may well be re-opened soon.
To the mods I want to say that I want to talk about this calmly. I don’t want to be perm banned. I thank you for not automatically closing this thread. Let us please continue to have a dialog.
(in reply to you post above, to continue from my post made in here late last night…)
Hi Warbler,
Unfortunately that didn’t come across at all in your emails to me (talking calmly), your PM to me seconds after I lifted you ban, or in your first unedited statement moments later - including the details of a private conversation between you and me, that was seemingly one-sided and somewhat economical in describing what had actually occurred.
That was not cool and also not a good idea - nor did it you seemingly mind much attention to my post asking for everyone that…
"For the quality, accuracy and help ensure the smooth running of this occasionally polarising thread, it is asked that posters please adopt a ‘read, think, breathe, and then reply’ policy to posts they may find strong disagreement with.
Posting inflammatory picture-only responses - or inflammatory pictures without explanation or context is not cool.
Everybody be cool - it may well help you get your point across and be better received. Thank you."
…and as indicated in your statement you ‘…will obey that order under protest.’ What?
I’m struggling here a little Warbler.
It seems a simple reasonable request to everyone to try and ensure a decent level of quality in posts by the members here, and to try an limit or remove the more inflammatory aspects of posting which can occur at times in posts where there are various, strong and differentiating viewpoints…
Part of a moderator’s concern is for the quality, accuracy and smooth-running of the site as a whole.
We’re not talking about an out-of-the-blue snappy post, a mis-read or misinterpreted post, a language barrier or cultural/regional misunderstanding, spambots, WUMs (wind-up merchants) etc - we’re talking about long serving and valued members of this community, who opinions carry weight, contributing to a decent level of debate with wide-ranging views doing so without inflammatory posts, and the other reasons as to why you given a couple of days off - of which you now know.
I am not going to debate these reasons in here - I have already done you the courtesy of replying in here.
If you have more questions or problems - or would like more info - then you can do so via PM - like every other poster on the site does if/when they have any issues.
It seems that you think as other posters may have treated you badly in the past, or other posters here in the past have gotten away with what you think is far worse, and that it is harsh on you to be given a cool-off for something you consider lesser ‘crime’ (for want of a better word), or that you have been wronged.
I can’t comment on those past things - I haven’t seen them, I wasn’t a mod at the time and am unaware of the history of it.
I will say that everyone else in that thread was told by me (in the very same post that I let you know you were being given a couple of days off) that the same cool-off temp-ban would apply to them if they did the same as what you did on Sunday night.
Obviously the cool-off temp-ban did not work as I had hoped it would, and you seemingly do not agree with the reasons as to why I decided to give you a couple of days off.
That is fine - we all have our differing opinions and beliefs, though we are expected to give .
What is not fine is ignoring a moderator, and posting details of personal conversation between them on an open post in quite a one-sided portrayal of events.
What is not fine is since the cool-off temp-ban is the snarky replies of ‘May you sleep better tonight than I did Sunday evening’, ‘Maybe, but if a new mod makes decisions contrary to way the forum is supposed to be run, the more experienced mods need to correct him.’, ‘I call out Jay(where is he? when was the last time anyone here anything from him?’, ‘…I don’t care what anyone thinks…’ ‘Second, I apologize to everyone involved in the debate in the politics thread on Sunday - except the moderators’, I ask all my non-moderator friends to help me. I need your support. I fear by standing up here and protesting that I could face a perm ban. I need you to tell the mods that you do not want that to happen’, ‘I have been having problems sleeping lately and so I was sleep deprived on Sunday. When I am sleep deprived I get irritated and depressed. This affected my posting. I apologize for being rude.’ followed by ‘That said, I do not accept that I did anything deserving of banning’ etc - as well as other posts in here I really don’t want to continue to copy and past to add to this.’
What is not fine after your snarky posts above is then the one quoted at the top of this one - ‘To the mods I want to say that I want to talk about this calmly. I don’t want to be perm banned. I thank you for not automatically closing this thread. Let us please continue to have a dialog.’
What is not also fine - and what you seemed to have failed to understand - is that you behaved like a stroppy teenager which led to the 2 day cool-off temp-ban, and you are behaving like on since.
If you were sleep deprived, and it affects your posting, I would suggest, as I did on Sunday night, that you step away from the computer, or adopt a ‘read, think, breathe, and then reply’ policy to posts they may find strong disagreement with, and be cool.
You need not fear that you will be perm-banned - and no-one (to my knowledge) has even mentioned this to you. However, if you continue to post like this, in this manner, with this attitude, don’t be surprised if one of the mods does so.
In the meantime - have a week off. A couple of days obviously wasn’t enough for you to cool down - hopefully a week will be.
Please take the time away from this site to have a think about your posts which led to your couple of days off, and also the posts and actions since which have earned you a week off.
You put the ball in mine, the other mods and Jay’s court - this is my reply and my decision. I can’t speak for the others.
Do NOT contact me via email.
Again, this cool-off was taken with a heavy heart - I am aware of how much this site means to you - and giving people cool-offs isn’t something I want to be doing at anytime (though it may not seem it right now).
Rest assured if you think I am being unfair or harsh on you - I would do the same if anyone else had the done the same as you.
I hope upon your return you will be back to being a valued member of this community, and this will continue for longer than the you have already been on here for.
Best wishes, Jason.
Hi Warbler,
Let me make this very clear - as posted on Sunday to you - I gave you a couple of days off.
As I have also made clear on more than one occasion in communications to you this was a cooling-off temp-ban.
As before, I apologise as I was unaware that temp-banned posters could not read a PM sent from a moderator.
The reason behind the PM was to let you know when the cooling-off temp-ban would end, to let you know the decision was not taken lightly; that it was with both reluctance and a heavy heart, that I truly believe you are a good and valued forum member, along with that if you had any questions or problems please let me know via PM (upon you return - when you could). This information in the PM was then relayed to you via email.
The reason why I did not respond your lengthy email reply was, as already asked of you, to relay any questions or problems you had to me via PM upon your return to the site after the cooling-off temp-ban had lapsed.
After another reply from you I then let you know it was around midnight UK time - and that I was off then to bed soon.
After another reply from you minutes later I decided the best thing to do was let you cool off - which was meant to be the point of the cooling-off temp-ban.
Earlier today, as promised, I lifted your cooling-off temp-ban, and sent you a PM asking you to read it before posting again, asking that we start afresh after your couple of days off, and also this post (http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1111064) in case you had missed it:-
"For the quality, accuracy and help ensure the smooth running of this occasionally polarising thread, it is asked that posters please adopt a ‘read, think, breathe, and then reply’ policy to posts they may find strong disagreement with.
Posting inflammatory picture-only responses - or inflammatory pictures without explanation or context is not cool.
Everybody be cool - it may well help you get your point across and be better received.
Thank you."
and I was also expecting to answer any questions or problems you may have.
I then receive a PM from you stating you have no desire to start afresh, that anything I say to you can be said publicly, to everyone, and a link to this statement by you.
Before I say anything more, the reasons for your ban was not only posting the inflammatory BS picture only response to a poster here of which the linked content you had not read, nor was it only for posting an inflammatory Westboro Baptist Church picture without explanation or context in the same post… it was also partly for your reply at being asked to provide explanation or context in the same post was ‘that it would be a waste of time and no-one would listen’. It was also partly for your response ‘I’m done caring what anyone here thinks’, and partly at your whole range of inflammatory answers to many posters that evening - to the point where it was obvious you were indeed not listening or engaging with posters in a manner deemed anywhere near reasonable and were also becoming abusive - so I stepped in from the thread deteriorating any further - and hence the decision taken by myself, somewhat reluctantly, to give you a couple of days-off to cool off - and also to try and diffuse the thread.
As said to you before your opinion carries weight here, and it is valued - even if disagreed with. Yet you can - and do - make far better points and posts than you did during Sunday night without the inflammatory nature of those posts.
Now, I appreciate, and take you at your word, that you were unaware that I was recently made a moderator (though why this should make a difference from how you talk to a fellow poster or a moderator, I don’t know?)
But, before saying anything else right now, it is nearly 1.30am UK time - it is late. I’ve read your statement once (I haven’t had time to read any replies to it as yet as I’ve been writing this up) - and am going to read your statement again after work tomorrow - before posting anything else on it.
Jason.
Here’s a “WORK-IN-PROGRESS” for the “3 in 1” insert I’m working on:
Please, no suggestions. It’s a WIP.
Looking good - very nice front cover too 😃
For any UK viewers out there wishing to watch Discovery it’ll be on Netflix within 24 hours of airing in the US…
(according to this - http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/25/how-to-watch-star-trek-discovery-in-the-uk-6953894/)
I put all that information in the video descriptions, but I guess I can copy paste them here.
Thank you - it is appreciated. We try and give the community on here a fair bit of information and/or background for what they may be clicking on beforehand.
Ok, if this is the case, could you edit your first post please, to give some more information on what you have changed, and the reasons why (ie, did they just bug you?), and if you’ll be changing any more scenes - or if you are working on your own Fan Edit etc?
I might also try to make set with all three movies in one case. A three disc case. Does anyone have any ideas/suggestions for a picture that can represent the entire trilogy (other than the Star Wars Trilogy picture)?
That’s a cool idea - though one if the problems for doing 3-in-1 covers many have found is that there isn’t too many quality pieces out here that encompass the whole trilogy…
Detola ended up making his own quality cover - some others have used logos, a few have used a 3 way split like the Faces covers.
A trawl through some of the 3-in-1 covers and boxset links in the post below may be of use/inspiration (as well as a few art sites that feature Star Wars stuff too):-
BTW - That’s a very nice bonus cover you knocked up too 😃
It seems this may have meant to be a part of one of the Star Wars Fan Edit threads?
Is there a particular thread you would like this to be moved to, Anakin Starkiller?
‘North Korea accuses US of declaring war’…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-41391978
(the North Korean Foreign Secretary to be precise)
I think even a temp ban was a bit much, but whatever.
I agree.
We all get a little angry sometimes. Warb was a good forum member.
Warbler is, and will likely continue to be, a good and valued forum member.
He has a couple of days off to hopefully have a re-think about posting inflammatory pictures without explanation or context - and also not actually reading posts that he is replying inflammatory content to.
For the quality, accuracy and help ensure the smooth running of this occasionally polarising thread, it is asked that posters please adopt a ‘read, think, breathe, and then reply’ policy to posts they may find strong disagreement with.
Posting inflammatory picture-only responses - or inflammatory pictures without explanation or context is not cool.
Everybody be cool - it may well help you get your point across and be better received.
Thank you.
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.
To be honest Warbler, some may be struggling as to why you brought up the Westboro Baptists into this right now - unless you are trying to equate the protests of Westboro Baptists to the protests that occurred today?
I guess you missed this:
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
No mate, I didn’t miss you bringing up the Westboro Baptists into this, nor what you later wrote at all.
Well then you should know why I mentioned them and that I don’t consider the anthem protesters anywhere near as bad as the Westboro Baptists.
You wrote ‘Citizens peacefully protesting:’ followed by a picture of the Westboro Baptist Church, yes?
yes, after someone complained about the President insulting “peacefully protesting Citizens”
Only 4 posts later did you give an explanation on why you posted it
Yes, 4 posts late, but I did give an explanation.
- stating the Westboro Baptist Church and the players kneeling during the anthem are bad peaceful protests, (the players protests were ‘…nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did’ protest).
Yes, that is what I said.
Here is the big difference - the Westboro Baptist Church image isn’t from a ‘peaceful protest’ at all - it is designed to enrage, provoke and give their horrible ‘beliefs’ as much publicity as it can undeservedly get.
um, yes it was a peaceful protest. They committed no acts of violence. Yes, it was designed to enrage and provoke, but it still falls under the definition of peaceful protest.
The players kneeling peaceful protest is to bring attention to a cause many in your country feel is right, and needs looking at and addressing.
by protesting the Nation Anthem and thereby enrage and provoke.
Now, if you disagree with that twitter message by Orli Matlow that was posted earlier… by all means you say why - but DON’T post an inflammatory picture in response.
What are talking about? What twitter message? Who is Orli Matlow?
In any event, here is the reason I brought them up:
Someone had complained about the President calling peacefully protesting citizens “sons of bitches”. Apparently, is wrong for the President to describe peacefully protesting citizens as “sons of bitches”. So, I brought up and example of peacefully protesting citizens that no one would have any problem with the President referring to them as “sons of bitches”. I did it to show that whether you think it is wrong to describe peacefully protesting citizens that way depends upon you opinion of the protest. I also did it to clearly demonstrate that just because a protest is peaceful, doesn’t mean it is a good protest.
If you’re going to post a picture of the Westboro Baptist Church DON’T make 4 further posts before you give an explanation as to why you are posting that inflammatory picture.
oh go sit on a tack. 4 posts down or not, I made clear why I posted the pic, and you continue to ignore what I said and continue to ignore that I clearly said the Anthem protesters are not anywhere near as bad as the West Boro Baptists. You also ignore in post where I posted the pic, I also said this right under it:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
It should be obvious from that what I think of the West Boro Baptists.
And if you posting ‘I’m done caring what anyone here thinks’ in the midst of that - is actually what you think - then I would suggest you step away from the computer for a few minutes, and think how that may come across to the other users in this thread.
Now, I don’t think I’ve missed anything, have I?
Well excuse me for being piss off at what is going on in my country right and what is going on in this thread. Apparently it is no longer go enough that I agree that the protesters have every right to do what they are doing, I must now do what I consider betraying my Country, and agree with what they are doing or I am a clueless dumb narrow minded idiot and probably a bigot. Well sorry but this pisses me off. What was once a moment set aside for reflection and honoring the Country and what it stands for has now turned into a time for political statements. Now instead of instead of removing our hats and giving the proper salute and standing at attention and remaining silent, we now have to look around and see who is protesting. It pisses me off, it angers me, it frustrates me, it offends me, and en-fucking-rages me.
You wrote ‘What are talking about? What twitter message? Who is Orli Matlow?’ - http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1110744 - you did read the twitter message that was posted before you replied to it with that ‘bullshit flag’ picture response?
Actually I posted the bullshit flag in reference to part of what Frink said below the link:
NFL players aren’t protesting the anthem,
If you are pissed off then you can help yourself by start explaining yourself better in this thread - no more inflammatory picture replies - and no more pics of inflammatory groups like the Westboro Baptist Church without you putting in some written context in the same post.
Okay?
That would be a waste of time, no one would listen.
What Frink posted was actually part of the text from that twitter link - which is neither here or there - as you still responded with an inflammatory picture only reply. It would seem that you may not be the one listening in this instance.
If you think explaining yourself better is a ‘waste of time’ and ‘no one would listen’ and you can carry on posting inflammatory pictures in this thread then you are mistaken.
Warbler - I’m sorry mate, but have a couple of days off.
This also goes out to anyone else who may think posting inflammatory pictures without context - or a need to give an explanation in the same post.
Iirc, it’s $6 a month with commercials, and $10 without. Other channels don’t have paywalls quite like this, it’s just the streaming companies like Netflix and Hulu. ABC, for example, has a streaming site that’s free so long as you already have standard TV service. Anyway, it’d probably end up being a lot cheaper to wait for it’s eventual Blu-Ray or DVD release (which I assume will happen at some point, right?) than to pay $10 every month until the season ends.
Gotcha - and thank you for the reply 😃
We have truly reached a low point in our society.
Yes, I agree - the president has publicly called citizens peacefully protesting “sons of bitches.” Despicable.
Citizens peacefully protesting:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
The only comparison you could make that’s more absurd would be to bring up actual Nazis.
“Hey, Nazis were upset with the state of Germany, these football players are upset with the state of America… you think that’s a coincidence?”
I don’t know why you would bring up the Nazis here. They were definitely not peacefully protesters.
To be honest Warbler, some may be struggling as to why you brought up the Westboro Baptists into this right now - unless you are trying to equate the protests of Westboro Baptists to the protests that occurred today?
I guess you missed this:
I was simply trying to show that some peaceful protests are bad. I think we agree that I picked a good example of a bad peaceful protest.
I have every right to be of the opinion that the peaceful protest of the National Anthem is a bad peaceful protest(but nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did).
No mate, I didn’t miss you bringing up the Westboro Baptists into this, nor what you later wrote at all.
Well then you should know why I mentioned them and that I don’t consider the anthem protesters anywhere near as bad as the Westboro Baptists.
You wrote ‘Citizens peacefully protesting:’ followed by a picture of the Westboro Baptist Church, yes?
yes, after someone complained about the President insulting “peacefully protesting Citizens”
Only 4 posts later did you give an explanation on why you posted it
Yes, 4 posts late, but I did give an explanation.
- stating the Westboro Baptist Church and the players kneeling during the anthem are bad peaceful protests, (the players protests were ‘…nowhere near as bad as what the Westboro Baptists did’ protest).
Yes, that is what I said.
Here is the big difference - the Westboro Baptist Church image isn’t from a ‘peaceful protest’ at all - it is designed to enrage, provoke and give their horrible ‘beliefs’ as much publicity as it can undeservedly get.
um, yes it was a peaceful protest. They committed no acts of violence. Yes, it was designed to enrage and provoke, but it still falls under the definition of peaceful protest.
The players kneeling peaceful protest is to bring attention to a cause many in your country feel is right, and needs looking at and addressing.
by protesting the Nation Anthem and thereby enrage and provoke.
Now, if you disagree with that twitter message by Orli Matlow that was posted earlier… by all means you say why - but DON’T post an inflammatory picture in response.
What are talking about? What twitter message? Who is Orli Matlow?
In any event, here is the reason I brought them up:
Someone had complained about the President calling peacefully protesting citizens “sons of bitches”. Apparently, is wrong for the President to describe peacefully protesting citizens as “sons of bitches”. So, I brought up and example of peacefully protesting citizens that no one would have any problem with the President referring to them as “sons of bitches”. I did it to show that whether you think it is wrong to describe peacefully protesting citizens that way depends upon you opinion of the protest. I also did it to clearly demonstrate that just because a protest is peaceful, doesn’t mean it is a good protest.
If you’re going to post a picture of the Westboro Baptist Church DON’T make 4 further posts before you give an explanation as to why you are posting that inflammatory picture.
oh go sit on a tack. 4 posts down or not, I made clear why I posted the pic, and you continue to ignore what I said and continue to ignore that I clearly said the Anthem protesters are not anywhere near as bad as the West Boro Baptists. You also ignore in post where I posted the pic, I also said this right under it:
Would it be wrong for the President to call them “sons of bitches”?
It should be obvious from that what I think of the West Boro Baptists.
And if you posting ‘I’m done caring what anyone here thinks’ in the midst of that - is actually what you think - then I would suggest you step away from the computer for a few minutes, and think how that may come across to the other users in this thread.
Now, I don’t think I’ve missed anything, have I?
Well excuse me for being piss off at what is going on in my country right and what is going on in this thread. Apparently it is no longer go enough that I agree that the protesters have every right to do what they are doing, I must now do what I consider betraying my Country, and agree with what they are doing or I am a clueless dumb narrow minded idiot and probably a bigot. Well sorry but this pisses me off. What was once a moment set aside for reflection and honoring the Country and what it stands for has now turned into a time for political statements. Now instead of instead of removing our hats and giving the proper salute and standing at attention and remaining silent, we now have to look around and see who is protesting. It pisses me off, it angers me, it frustrates me, it offends me, and en-fucking-rages me.
You wrote ‘What are talking about? What twitter message? Who is Orli Matlow?’ - http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1110744 - you did read the twitter message that was posted before you replied to it with that ‘bullshit flag’ picture response?
If you are pissed off then you can help yourself by start explaining yourself better in this thread - no more inflammatory picture replies - and no more pics of inflammatory groups like the Westboro Baptist Church without you putting in some written context in the same post.
Okay?
