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What are you reading?

Just finished Black Amazon of Mars by the late great Leigh Brackett.

Nothing groundbreaking or thought provoking, but really fun and pulpy all the way through. The oldest piece of fiction I’ve read (save for snippets of The Odyssey and Inferno) is The Martian Chronicles by Ray Bradbury, so perhaps I need more experience to gauge this correctly, but Black Amazon feels way ahead of its time.

Next up is Superman: For All Seasons by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale.

<strong>Ahsoka</strong> (live action series) - general discussion thread

I’m still not really interested, but I will say two shots in this trailer did look really fun to me, those being the closeup of Sabine’s face on the speederbike with the E-Wing(?) soaring in the background, and the similar shot with the little astromech droid. It was simple stuff, yes. Very simple. But the expansive backdrop of Lothal and exhilaration of the chase, or whatever is happening, looked fun. That’s all I really have to say.

What do you LIKE about the EU?

JadedSkywalker said:

I really need to get into the older EU. Star Wars in its purest form. The original Marvel comics, Newspaper Strips from Manning, and Williamson. Radio plays by Brian Daley. Novels by Daley and Foster.

the pre west end games, pre Zahn, Pre prequels stuff.

I read the Newspaper strips years ago but I remember them having a pulpy adventurous feel that was missing in later works. Those stories really did a lot to make the galaxy feel like a vibrant and exciting place. Plus the art by Al Williamson is splendid.

I’ve been thinking of revisiting them recently, and I may even need to check out the main Marvel run as well!

The Most Outlandishly &quot;Extra&quot; Storyline from The Clone Wars and the Technology it Introduces

Acbagel said:

The Star Wars: The Old Republic video game has a mission called “The Face Merchants” set in the Coruscant underworld where Black Sun has been operating a similar operation. Though the technology back then seems way more archaic as it required invasive surgery from specialized droids/software to reform the faces of the criminals, the concept of altering facial appearances has at least existed in Star Wars aside from this one TCW episode.

Wild, it honestly sounds like something from a horror movie. Nice to see the idea explored a bit.

The Most Outlandishly &quot;Extra&quot; Storyline from The Clone Wars and the Technology it Introduces

So I was thinking about this arc of the TCW recently when I realized how absolutely out-there it gets- particularly with the tech.

I’m talking about the arc where Obi-Wan fakes his death and afterwards precedes to swallow a little electronic ball-shaped device that sits in his throat and alters his voice to that of the bounty hunter Rako Hardeen, gets an injection that reconfigures his bone structure to that of Hardeen, competes with other bounty hunters in a giant Rubik’s Cube of death, all in an attempt to infiltrate the group and stop them from assassinating the Chancellor. Oh, and during the actual attempt, the bounty hunters use holographic technology to completely disguise themselves as blue senate guards.

It makes you wonder who makes this technology and where else it could be implemented. I mean, I assume its expensive, but if there’s a serum that can literally alter your bones who knows what kind of crazy things can be done with it.

Star Wars novels and comics review thread

Just reread Kenobi. Fantastic book! I know servii already reviewed it here and I don’t want to sound derivative so I’ll keep this short.

This novel has such great banter and relationships between the characters. The action is fun and the world has that rough, lived-in feel that the OT does. The story is nothing grand and galaxy-changing, but its certainly got high stakes for the new characters who you’ll come to love and care about.

John Jackson Miller may be the best EU author in my opinion because both Kenobi and his KOTOR comic are great. He can write fantastic characters with compelling stories and lots of good drama. He also captures the OT feel so well in my opinion- and not just on a surface level either. I strongly urge everyone here to check out these stories.

Edit: Also I wanted to ask, has any one here read Honor Among Thieves? If so I’d love to hear your thoughts because I’m tempted to pick it up.

What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread

I’m going to chime in here with my thoughts on Rey’s training and whatnot. I hope I’m not derailing the conversation, but it’s making me think about things and want to get them out. (Also, pardon my playing devil’s advocate in some ways. And apologies if this is far too lengthy- once I started I couldn’t stop.)

I’ve come to view Rey’s training and quickly acquired skills in the Force as a representational thing, corresponding with her storyline of moving forward in life. Its more symbolic in a sense. The issue for me arises in reconciling that way of seeing the Force with the more discipline/training approach we’ve seen prior, where yes there is a symbolic aspect, but there is certainly a more proper generational tradition of knowledge and training. For Rey, its not so much learning to feel the Force and swordfight, rather its about how to control her powers and how to use them for good(?)

Now that I’m on the subject, allow me to make a quick recap so it’s all clear:

TFA: Rey is already skilled in staff fighting, roughly translates to sword fighting. No sword training necessary, but she presumably still needs to learn how to anticipate events and have slight precognition through the Force. Powers “activate” as she is interrogated by Kylo, who is possibly symbolic of her own destiny if she can’t let go of the past. (Which is Rey’s whole dilemma in TFA, stay stuck in the past and waste your life, or move forward and allow your destiny to unfold.)

TLJ: Meets Luke and starts “training.” Practices with the saber for a little bit, has a moment of self-discovery, and learns to reach out further with the Force and feel the world around her. When saving the Resistance, she can suddenly lift tons of boulders- another instance of major feats just “activating” when something significant happens. You could think of it as a milestone after rejecting Kylo Ren and cementing her relationship with her new found family (which is something she yearns for.)

TROS: She continues to practice with the blade when on Ajan Kloss, but now with remotes to train her precognition. She has also been reading from the ancient texts (which I thought got destroyed lol), so she gains knowledge of ancient techniques and wisdom. When trying to save Chewie later on, she looses control of herself and shoots out a bolt of lightning. Another case of a power activating within her at a pivotal moment. After this she no longer trusts herself and flees to Ahch-To where Luke gives her some Jedi advice.

There’s probably lots of others I missed, but regardless, whether you want to call it bad writing or symbolic storytelling, there’s moments of importance which always lines up with where Rey happens to be on her journey, and its at these moments that we see her new skills switch on. The discipline and training aspects for Rey tend to come after her acquisition of powers which represent her overcoming or being overcome by insecurities/inner dilemmas and confronting Kylo. She awakens in the Force and tries to figure out her “place in all this.”

But lets review Luke as well:

ANH: Luke tries training with the Remote and is having a hard time with precognition, it is only when he covers his eyes and is forced to only rely on his human spirit (the Force) that he begins making progress. In Martial Arts, I know there is sometimes an emphasis on not thinking about acting, because thinking causes hesitation, and with hesitation can come problems. (This will come up later.) He can only make the Trench Run shot when he turns off his computer, and again, is forced to rely on his own human instinct- ahem, I mean the Force.

ESB: Has apparently been training and can now levitate small objects like his saber in the Wampa cave. On Dagobah, Luke fails again and again because he is hasty, impatient, and too quick to give up. When he fails to lift the X-Wing, its because he’s not believing in himself fully, and cannot concentrate or focus. He’s too in his head and thinks too much about it. Thus he cannot “do” it. Afterwards, he attempts to stop Vader but is ill-prepared and pays the price for it.

ROTJ: He has presumably continued training by himself and has become more even-tempered. He now can do mind tricks/choke (depending how one interprets his entrance to Jabba’s palace) and can levitate even larger things like C-3PO. His problem now is trying to overcoming his inner anger and not letting get the best of him. He looses himself a bit during the final duel, but is able to reign it in and lets go of his anger, fear, and hatred, declaring himself a Jedi.

For Luke, his abilities are far more tame in comparison. Throughout learning Jedi skills he makes steps in proving his dedication, commitment, and discipline, all of which he learns by listening to the advice of his mentors. These traits go hand in hand with his powers and skills.

To me, there’s a clear difference in how both characters skills in the Force are presented and what they mean for their respective stories. The Force itself operates a little bit different between either trilogy, though certain principles may carry over. Honestly, I will always prefer Luke’s story here, but with more refinement I think this approach for Rey could have been equally interesting. And lets be honest, I may be looking too far into this lol.

Heir to the Empire Trilogy. A General Discussion

I like Mara Jade, I like the action that goes down on Myrkyr, Wayland, and Sluis Van, I liked certain things about Thrawn, and I think Zahn did an excellent job at replicating the characterizations of the OT heroes, as well as replicating the feel at certain scenes.

But beyond these things, I’m one of the few who didn’t really enjoy the trilogy as a whole. Heir to the Empire is great, but every time I try to reread Dark Force Rising I just get extremely bored. I remember liking The Last Command, it’s just that second book is hard for me to get through.

I don’t care at all for Karrde or the smugglers. They just never interested me, though I admit I do like the idea of a secret operation on Myrkr. Sometimes the trilogy leans a bit too much into the militaristic sci-fi aspect for my taste also.

I’ll try to reread the trilogy as a whole one day.

General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread

screams in the void said:

The Rise Of Skywalker should have a post credits scene at the Lars homestead where an alien named Throg appears to Rey , screams at her and says , ," GET OFF MY LAWN! "( if you know , you know.)

I’m currently pulling up Wookieepedia to confirm, but Throg was from the old Star Wars 3-D comic right?

Edit: Right on.

A New Hope as a Stand-alone Movie

Lately I’ve come to somewhat like this idea of Star Wars '77 being a standalone film. I feel like it is a perfect short and sweet adventure, however I’m not completely sold on the idea. It seems most of the topics have already been covered here, so I’ll just get my thoughts about them out here.

I don’t think the Emperor, Vader, and the Empire still being around at the end of the film is too big of an issue to prevent this from being a standalone. Perhaps this is a poor example to compare it to, and if so I do want to know, but take a movie like Saving Private Ryan. At the end of the film, the characters have finished their arcs and succeeded in their mission. Its a happy (bittersweet) ending, yet we know that Hitler and the Nazis have not been fully stopped. In this case, we have the historical context to know what happens, but the point is that the actual story of the film is wrapped up. In Star Wars, the plot revolves around stopping the Death Star while Luke has his little hero’s journey arc. However, because it is a fictional world and we don’t actually know the end result of the war, we are naturally left wanting more resolution.

What I’m getting at with this line of reasoning is essentially this: the final defeat of Vader, the Emperor, and even the Empire itself aren’t too important to the story of Star Wars '77. Of course the movie certainly does leave the door open for sequels, which is clearly the intent given the 12-film saga idea and Splinter of the Mind’s Eye, but the original film itself does not necessitate a follow up. Luke has saved the day, has learned to let go and trust the Force (his natural instinct), and will presumably keep flying with the Rebellion and helping them. So, would it have been nice to have a follow up? Yeah, of course. But is it necessary? Perhaps not based on this argument.

I also wanted to mention the lightsaber issue, and I think this is quite interesting.

Channel72 said:

I remember reading somewhere (I forgot where I read this - could be in Rinzler or could be Secret History of Star Wars) that the scene where Ben gives Luke the lightsaber was included mostly as setup for later when Ben uses his own lightsaber in the Mos Eisley Cantina.

If this is the case then the original intent was always, and as is portrayed in the final film, to show Luke coming to the Force and fulfilling his spiritual arc by destroying the Death Star. As mentioned before, he does this by letting go and trusting the Force, not via lightsaber training or mastery of levitation. No lightsaber needed! (note, I have not read the final draft of the script so if I’m wrong on any of this, I will stand corrected.)

Now, this is all only speaking about intent, because in reality that doesn’t apply for the final product. In the film, Luke does receive a Lightsaber he barely uses which does leave us wanting more, but like the Emperor and Vader, does this factor necessitate a sequel? Maybe, but to what degree so? Because I do think if Star Wars did remain a standalone then it would be disappointing not to see Luke use the saber and it could certainly be a misstep to emphasize it so much. But luckily, Lucas was determined to make a follow-up one way or another, so this plot element worked out at the end of the day. It makes sense and has more fulfilment in a larger saga as opposed to a standalone.

Again, not completely sold, but I do lean a bit favorably towards the idea.

Dune - Denis Villeneuve

fmalover said:

Actually that’s the whole point according Herbert himself. Paul is essentially this super-human who’s had the best education, both intelectual and martial, that his noble status can afford, is pretty much a human supercomputer, has the best possible genes of any human being, gains the genetic memory powers of the Bene Gesserit and he still fucks up.

I get that Paul’s been training in these arts so naturally he would have a sense of composure and whatnot, but I always thought having a more drastic change in his demeanor would have been more impactful.

There’s a sort of ancient maturity and knowledge that gets imprinted on him, and we actually see the jihad visions yes, but at the end of the film Paul doesn’t act any differently than he did before. (At least it didn’t feel that way to me) And this isn’t to say that he should come off as an immature brat at the beginning either. You’re right, he has been raised as the Duke’s heir and is certainly more mature than his peers would be, but he’s still only 15.

I must admit though, this is just how I would have shown it had I been making the adaptation, so I guess I can’t really call it a proper critique. And since the movie was only a ‘part 1’ there’s still a lot of room for that change I suppose. I’ll keep waiting until Pt 2 to give my final judgment of this adaptation.

Rank The Indiana Jones Films

I had commented on this thread months ago with my rankings, but as I said I was likely to change them depending on how I felt at any given time. Like last time, I really do love them all, even skull, so this system is a bit moot, but it represents which I lean more towards at the moment.

  1. Last Crusade
  2. Raiders
  3. Skull
  4. Temple

Dial of Destiny looks like it’s going to be fantastic and I cannot wait. I’m also trying not to get too excited and attached before it releases, but everything I’ve seen and heard so far sounds good to me. We’ll see how they stick the landing.