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#170536
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The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170536/action/topic#170536
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Cheers to Chris Sobieniak, who's offered me another better copy of the Thames documentary ... he's the one who bought the tape on Ebay for $80 ... he's also offered me some of Williams' commercials and his A Christmas Carol, which will be great to include, and to see.

If anyone has a good copy of "I Drew Roger Rabbit" or "Animating Art," let me know ... I have copies, but they're SLP and kind of poor. And I can't seem to get hold of Eddie Bowers who sent the originals.

Either way, they'll be there on the disc.



I do have the soundtrack album for Arabian Knight, and it's not a great score, but if a scene seems to need music, I will actually give it a chance. If I use it anywhere, it won't be much.

I guess since I'm buying the Princess and the Cobbler (aka the Fred Calvert) version, I'll make that available for those who want it. It's a different take on the film - not really a good take on it, but not a butchery like the Miramax version. The Fred Calvert team did work hard to finish the film their own way, for what that's worth.

The Disney squad, on the other hand, did their damndest to remove any entertainment value the film had left ...

I wonder if this film has fans in Australia or South Africa, from the limited release the "Princess" version had there. They got to see a proper version of it ... sad that we didn't.

It's amusing looking at this film again after many years - At times I always thought I could tell what decade a scene was animated in by the style of the animation. A lot of the thief stuff shows Williams' 1960s style ... like when he steals a jewel, or gets beat up by Nanny at the beginning.
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#170502
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Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170502/action/topic#170502
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Okay, I am now burning the first dual layer copy of the disc. I've burned about 30 single layer copies already.


I had a laaaarge collection of DVD-ROM extras that I wanted to include (about 2.1 GB) ... Bo McCarty had done encodes of Return of the Ewok, Classic Creatures, From Star Wars to Jedi, and Horizon: How to Film the Impossible, specifically for this release.

They're lovely and I hope this collection makes its way to the 'net ... maybe even on its own, or broken up into its component files.

There were a few things I had to leave out. I wanted to include the Turkish Star Wars, but at 700 MB it was just too big.

I had to start cutting things to get it down so it would burn ... I included Star Wars the Musical, but had to cut out the "making of the musical" videos and some of the Mp3s that were already included as video files.

I was able to include the Story of Star Wars, Empire and Jedi, but had to remove the Rebel Mission to Ord Mantell album.

I was able to include basically every cover that's been released for the OCP releases.

You can watch Return of the Ewok with audio commentary by Warwick Davis.

There's a lot of stuff there, and dual layer folks will get value for their dual layerness.


Since the disc looks so great in single layer (even now I can't really tell the difference), I wanted to give the dual layer people SOMETHING extra, so there it is.


I highly recommend either version.


Rock on.
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#170488
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170488/action/topic#170488
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I've decided to include a compilation of some of Richard's other work on the second disc.

I suppose I'll be renting The Charge of the Light Brigade and Return of the Pink Panther to include those segments.


What I could use is some nice poster art for the film. All the posters that Miramax came up with are awful.


A fellow from Toonhound had a copy of a lovely rare brochure from when the film was shown by Williams in an unfinished stage (It was then called "Once ...") at Cannes. Color art and all, but he couldn't find it to dig it up and scan it properly.



It's funny, I remember reading about this film in an interview about Roger Rabbit, for Comics Scene magazine, when I was probably 7, 8 or 9. He was talking about how he's created a new kind of animation, that was going to change the way animation was done.

Then I remember seeing the trailer for the film in theaters ... I was still very young, didn't catch on that this was the same film. I remember thinking, "Someone's done a bad ripoff of Aladdin."

Something connected in my brain later and I dug up the old article.

It was a few years later that I saw the film the way Miramax released it, and then the workprint.
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#170438
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Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170438/action/topic#170438
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Just checked the "Watch without Oola" option on my actual DVD player.

On my computer, the edit was instantaneous, and worked great. On my DVD player, there's a pause of several seconds while the player finds the next chapter.

Sigh.

And this is why seamless branching sucks.

Oh well, it's still watchable. Hope the break plays quicker on other players. It certainly plays fine on the computer.
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#170421
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Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170421/action/topic#170421
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Snakestorm, what's your actual name? I can change your request to a DL. Email me about this please. tygerbug at yahoo.com.



Made ANOTHER fix to the disc. Changed the timing on some of Jabba's subtitles, but most importantly fixed the "watch film without Oola scene" option. What you actually see on the disc doesn't match what I see in DVD Studio Pro when I create it (again, no idea why) so my timing for the chapter breaks that would allow you to skip this scene were a bit off.

Now it's fixed, and I just watched it that way - seamless! This leaves a shorter edit of Oola's fate than the O-OT version actually has, but it's essentially the same, and seems quite natural watching it.
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#170365
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170365/action/topic#170365
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>>I know when I was flipping through your Star Wars disc, I was a little frustrated because I wanted to know the details, scene-by-scene in some cases, as to where the elements were coming from, the techniques you used, and the sources you used for your work.

Thanks for being that interested ... I appreciate it. The sources on Classic Edition should be pretty obvious ... I've almost wanted to do a commentary on Deleted Magic, as that's a bit more complicated, and it might have been fun to do. But too egotistical.

I've tried to go into some detail in the threads as I'm creating a project, but really I don't feel like my sources and methods are interesting enough to merit a lot of discussion.

I wound up explaining a lot of my editing philosopy when I was giving notes to Jambe Davdar the other day ...

Hmm.


Maybe I'll say a few things. If you have any questions, ask 'em in the thread for that project. Maybe the Jedi thread?



About the Thief ...


Let's see ... well, Eddie Bowers sent me a long SLP tape years ago ... I wish he'd recorded it SP. I've asked him for better copies, but I can't reach him these days ... I was waiting for new tapes for six years! Since I did the LAST edit of this ...


Anyway. Recently someone sent me an SP copy of the workprint. This workprint is floating around. The quality is not very good, and it reflects the film in a very unfinished stage, but with audio that can be used to reconstruct the film as it should be.


This workprint was also on Eddie's SLP tape. He also included The Princess and the Cobbler, which is the Australian version of the film - basically the film before Miramax got ahold of it. It's still a badly reworked version, but not quite as bad.

There were also a few documentaries on Eddie's tape.


>> Just managed to land a first-gen copy of a Thames TV documentary on Richard Williams done in the early '80s relating to the production of the film that cost me plenty on eBay.


I had a bad copy of this documentary, and recently Baby Hum sent me a copy of it where the quality was much better ... so probably from the same source!
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#170347
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170347/action/topic#170347
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A good idea.


This movie is famous for being RUINED in editing more than any other film in history, maybe.


Better to watch the version being planned.


Here are three clips from the film that I've posted ....


http://orangecow.org/1morestuff/thiefescherscene.mov
http://orangecow.org/1morestuff/thiefmarchofthe1eyes.mov
http://orangecow.org/1morestuff/thiefzigzagand1eyebig.mov


(These are not from the edit I'm doing now, they're from older edits I did.)


I'm trying to figure out what music is being used in the film. The audio on the workprint is so terrible that it would be nice to swap it out for better quality music when possible.

I SO wish the Japanese DVD I have had 5.1 sound so I could get the dialogue from that version, rather than from the workprint. Sigh.

Anyway.


A posting online told me that most of the music is from Scheherezade, by Rimsky-Korsakov.

I downloaded some MP3s, and found a lot of the music - something that's used as Zigzag's theme, all the "action" music ... a lot of stuff.


I'm still wondering about at least two very important pieces of music though.


In the "March of the One Eyes" clip I've posted above, and the "Zigzag and One Eye" clip also posted above, there's a rather intense piece of music that's used for One-Eye. For the march, for the introduction of the character ... a major theme.

Anyone recognize this piece of music?


Also, there's a love theme for Princess YumYum and Tack that keeps reoccurring, and I'm wondering what that is.

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#170344
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170344/action/topic#170344
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Doctor M writes:

>>I know it's off topic, but YOU brought it up OCP...
What are you plans for Thief and the Cobbler? Since it was never really completed are you going to leave it unfinished?
I assume you're going to take existing higher quality releases and reconstructing the bootleg work print from them?


I actually think the film WAS pretty much finished when it was taken away from Williams - I restored the film 6 years ago and the Miramax and Calvert cuts show signs that it was essentially complete.

However, that doesn't help us as I don't have access to the scenes they cut out. Neither do they, apparently - it's said that much of it is lost, though I suspect that Williams somehow managed to keep it all anyway.

So yes, there will be a few scenes that appear in bootleg quality, and scenes that appear as storyboards and pencil tests.

The real surprise will be how much of the film is actually finished, though. Nearly all of it is.

I will have to use a few shots that were finished by other, less talented animators, but that's the way it goes. Many of them are from the animators' original pencil drawings, so it works fairly well.

The unfinished scenes don't interrupt your enjoyment of the movie - I rather like seeing the movie this way.

And there will be less of them than you'd expect from watching the workprint - most of the material that was unfinished at that point was finished in time for Miramax ... You can even see that Williams was still adding crazy stuff that wasn't in the workprint.
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#170343
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Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170343/action/topic#170343
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I've started a thread in forum 11 for The Thief and the Cobbler, so we can discuss the film there. (Another classic fantasy from the 70s and 80s ruined in the 90s - heh.)


I actually think the film WAS pretty much finished when it was taken away from Williams - I restored the film 6 years ago and the Miramax and Calvert cuts show signs that it was essentially complete.

However, that doesn't help us as I don't have access to the scenes they cut out. Neither do they, apparently - it's said that much of it is lost, though I suspect that Williams somehow managed to keep it all anyway.

So yes, there will be a few scenes that appear in bootleg quality, and scenes that appear as storyboards and pencil tests.

The real surprise will be how much of the film is actually finished, though. Nearly all of it is.

I will have to use a few shots that were finished by other, less talented animators, but that's the way it goes. Many of them are from the animators' original pencil drawings, so it works fairly well.
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#170337
Topic
Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170337/action/topic#170337
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Added the Star Wars Musical, and lots and lots of DVD covers, to the DVD-ROM folder. I'll see what space permits me to actually include!

I burned a few copies.

The Obi-Wan scene was too quiet to my ears, so I'm reencoding the disc now with a louder Obi-Wan. I had to boost it as high as possible, and THEN add a filter to boost it further.

In general the music and effects are too loud compared to the dialogue on the 2004 mix, so I keep having to bring the dialogue up in quieter scenes.

This also allowed me to fix the sync on one Luke line that I'd missed. I hope there aren't any other sync errors I haven't spotted - I'm not planning to just sit down and watch the movie all the way through.
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#170307
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Classic Edition: Return of the Jedi by Ocpmovie (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/170307/action/topic#170307
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Those of you who asked for dual layer copies ...

Be SURE to check out the very special DVD-ROM extras. Great stuff to be found therein, most of it created by our own Movealong, Bo McCarty.

For example, this is the first ever release of a Warwick Davis commentary for Return of the Ewok. The sound is VERY muffled, which explains why it wasn't on the DVD, but it's interesting anyway. Many many thanks to Alex Newborn for providing this.