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#206231
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206231/action/topic#206231
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As kind of a last hurrah for this edit, I decided to do what might be my most ambitious shot restoration yet ... certainly it's up there.

I completely reanimated the hell out of this shot, and the start of the one that follows it:

http://orangecow.org/thief/magiceds3.jpg

In this shot, King Nod's mouth has been redrawn to be closed instead of open. His hand is touching Yumyum when before it was down. Yumyum's hands are slightly up when they were down.

When necessary I redrew King Nod's eyelids also. The main goal was the mouth. I used this shot to show him saying "Had I a son I would send him on this perilous journey" .... that's not what he's actually saying, and the lips were making it obvious. So I redrew the lips to match what I wanted him to say. A few closed mouths for "p" and teeth for "s" and you've got yourself lip sync. But why change hand positions for both characters? Because the shot I was working from was shorter than I needed, I ran it backwards at one point, and I wanted to make it less awkward that I was running it backwards, and suddenly speeding it up ... by keeping the hand positions steady at the right moment, it's less obvious when the film switches from backwards to forwards (and speeds up or slows down), and is more natural. It hides the edits I did to make the lip sync work.

Now, the next shot ...

http://orangecow.org/thief/canhandleit1.jpg

I recreated the first few frames of the next shot entirely, because I wanted it to have perfect continuity with the previous shot. For the next shot, Yumyum saying "Father - I can handle it" I was using footage from a completely different part of the scene. So, to make it match, I've Photoshopped King Nod's expression (poorly drawn as he is here by Calvert's team) to match the last frame of the other shot, and pasted in an entirely different Yumyum, stolen from the other shot. I use Yumyums from the other shot for a while, and then invisibly at one point it becomes the shot as it was. It's seamless and looks great.


These being pretty poor Calvert shots, it's not high art, but it certainly makes the scene work like gangbusters, the way I want it to.

Yeah, this was a crazy thing to do, but the edit's coming to a close and I wanted to go out with a bang.

Ever onward, ever upward ...
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#206192
Topic
ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206192/action/topic#206192
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>> Widescreen? how? the only officially released Howard versions have been cropped 4:3

It was shown on TV in widescreen apparently, and Ben, a pro who has a great collection, snagged it digitally.

It's bizarre that there are no bargain basement DVD releases of Howard. Lucas ...

Any bonus material you have, keep it at the ready -- once I get all the Thief and the Cobbler etc stuff from Ben, when it's in my hands, you'll see a Howard the Duck thread in forum 11. Mark my words. Ditto Muppet movie extended. These are sort of backburner to the big Thief project, but they do seem to be happening.




ADDITIONAL:
Doctor M -- as I said I don't feel like talking about what I was planning to do, since it's silly now ... but the main increase in quality was gonna be that I was using your remixes for the LD stuff. =) Great work there. Many thanks to Moth3r for doing such great PAL transfers. And thanks to you for remixing them for NTSCers. Well done folks.
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#206174
Topic
ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206174/action/topic#206174
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> I think a lot of people need to take a step back and think about this for a second. A lot of you are asking some very valid questions. A couple of you can't seem to handle the news and have reverted to posting like a 3rd grader on AOL for the first time.



I believe that IS a symptom of stepping back and thinking about this for a second. In all its forms.

I seem to be a form of all three people you referred to there, but I won't take it personally.


Anyway, shit - clearly they DID read this forum. They're stealing our fucking ideas! Original crawl and now this:

http://starwars.com/collecting/shop/shopnews/news20060503.html

WHAT? That's not their shirt! That's an OT shirt! Legacy edition, right?

They should be sued for that ... except they own Han and OT doesn't.


Hm.


Citizen ... Tequila Mockingbird and I are doing something with Howard the Duck probably, a widescreen version of it .... and also an extended pan & scan cut of The Muppet Movie.

Well, er, he's doing em cos he's got em. I'll be ... looking at em. And getting em.
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#206160
Topic
.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206160/action/topic#206160
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I think it's a time to rejoice really when we don't have to rely on Star Wars laserdiscs anymore. This being the last of the projects, and one which was taking its sweet time despite a disproportionate level of hype, I thought I'd register a quick LOL here.


Laserdisc era, over. Work from DVD sourced material, folks. You're gonna have an official Lucasfilm release to fix.



I always thought the vanguard of preservation was people doing what Legacy was doing cleaning up the nice clear official DVDs, rather than obsessively cleaning up frames on a dead format, which we already had in much better quality.


Color correction, etc.


I would be glad to see those involved here put their talents to work looking at DVD sources.

Or working on other films that are only on laserdisc, the very few that still exist.



End of an era. I mark it with LOL. Deal.
Post
#206156
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206156/action/topic#206156
Time
I have that Dobbs article ... have borrowed the magazine it came from ... it's the ultimate in someone who's only really spoken to Calvert and Miramax thinking they know everything about this film when they really know nothing.


Really interesting for their side of it, but not to be taken as truth for the Williams side! Miramax and Calvert were only involved for a short time and did major damage, out of not understanding the film in the least, and to hear them talk about it as the ultimate source!


Even with the research I'd done, I had no idea how complex this story really was, as I've learned from speaking to those who were there, etc. The more you know ...



Very interesting tidbits from Duffell and Giordano. Many thanks for that!
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#206141
Topic
ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206141/action/topic#206141
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Doesn't matter now. I was never into pre-release hype, unlike some releases.




Unable to find alcohol, I lay down and thought about this.


I fought to get At Last the 1948 Show on DVD for a long time (and Do Not Adjust Your Set). Finally they released a DVD set, and it was indeed At Last the 1948 Show (and Do Not Adjust Your Set) and it was wonderful ... but it was none of the episodes I had, or had seen. It was all new to me. I loved it, but they hadn't released what I'd expected. And they still haven't. They released other stuff.


I fought to get the rather crap Rutles 2 released actually, and when it came out no one cared including me.

I fought to get Rutland Weekend Television released, and now it's been announced.

I wanted the Frighteners extended LD released - Alex was working on a version of it - then it came out, which was nice.


All this is nice.


But, y'know, you spend so much time fighting these battles, you're not a regular consumer anymore. Somehow you can't share in the joy in the same way. Or it takes a minute to.

When my rough cut of the Thief and the Cobbler was released on GBS.TV, somebody posted, really happily, at IMDB saying, we won! It's restored! We are the champions! We've defeated Disney, etc ...

Well ... no. No one defeated anyone. I restored a movie, the fight goes on.


It was like at the end of the Seven Samurai ... a film I haven't seen in a few years so pardon if I misquote. At the end, as I recall anyway, there's been a great victory won, but the old, experienced samurai just say to each other, it's been another battle lost.

Because so many died fighting, y'know?


We were fighting a war here, and we've won it, but we'll never be thanked for it. We, the fans, will never be thanked for our part in that. The joy we get is from the film itself, on its little picture disc.


We know, on some level, that we've been duped again. That George got us to freak out again, and buy his things over and over and over again, again.


Like when he wouldn't release Star Wars on video. Like when he wouldn't release it on DVD. Like when he wouldn't release the original versions.




It's like a cosmic joke on some level. He always hurts the ones who love him.


I feel a fool.





LOL US!

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#206107
Topic
ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206107/action/topic#206107
Time
Welllll, Star Wars wasn't out for rental back then. Is what I'm saying. It was never released without the Episode IV tag. Sorry.


So, to say it was, wrong. End.




So, by the way, this site is to blame for this. It's our fault Lucasfilm gave in. They saw the site. Saw the bootlegs. Watched one in particular that had the original original crawl on it ... coulda been mine, not saying it was mine, just saying ... lol ....

Realized, hey, money!

Sometimes you do things you hate for money. Jennifer Connelly: Requiem for a Dream. Gotta feed George's coke habit somehow.


Anyway. Seriously guys, sorry to post so much but I feel weird. I guess because I did spend a lot of time restoring these things. It's almost like .... I'm happy, but I want to be drinking and feeling weird and thinking, well, fuck, y'know, some things in life are more important, better reassess my priorities.

I'm kind of kidding, kind of not.


Heh?




Surreal.




Anyway, fuck Star Wars. Star Wars sucks.
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#206100
Topic
ORIGINAL STAR WARS TRILOGY OUT 09/2006 BY LUCASFILM
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206100/action/topic#206100
Time
Skyranger, stop posting. We don't need lies.








Anyway.


You know, I can admit this now ... I was actually planning on doing an improved version of my Star Wars Classic Edition, which would have been better quality and better done than any of the previous ones.

I'm now glad I didn't, as it would have been a waste of a week.



My god, I've wasted my life.
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#206094
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206094/action/topic#206094
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Well, if we're talking about ice skating in hell, a major goal for me with this project is to reach the end of the road and see what Dick Williams thinks. Like Dorothy visiting the Wizard.


I need a brain, heart AND courage.





And I've never noticed The Thief wheezing in the workprint. I hear it CONSTANTLY in Princess.

Calvert's main crime is being a hack.
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#206090
Topic
Info: The Future of OT Preservation projects <em>(the 2006 DVDs has been announced)</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/206090/action/topic#206090
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I would kill myself if I wasn't so pretty and loved by all women.




Wait and see, folks, wait and see. We've done good work here beyond the O-OT. I'm glad that I'm still best known for bringing Deleted Magic, Return of the Ewok and The Thief and the Cobbler to people, along with the Neil Innes collection and whatever else I've done that you know about.



I think we should drink poison and dance by the light of the moon.