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#215262
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/215262/action/topic#215262
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Again, those who don't do the download thing can get it direct from me.


New artwork!

http://orangecow.org/thief/cobblerposterv3small.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/cobbleramarayv3small.jpg

I went and revised the DVD cover for the film, as I didn't like my old, off-model Thief, and didn't really like any of the old Zigzags. The Thief is new, so is Zigzag, there's a new Yumyum on the back ... and the Witch has been promoted to the front cover for some reason. The new characters (particularly the Thief) stand out a bit, since I decided to use only one line width this time to get it looking more "Williams" like and not impose my own rougher style on it.

Full size DL: http://orangecow.org/thief/cobbleramarayv3.jpg

Here's the disc art for the film:

http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefdiscartv4small.jpg

Full size DL: http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefdiscartv4.jpg

http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefnewsm.jpg

The Thief is a difficult character to draw, as he's simple and depends a lot on personality. This is my take on him ...


http://orangecow.org/thief/nodscancolorsoftsm.jpg

A new take on King Nod. The face and right hand are the same as the old one, but I redrew the rest so I could remove Princess Yumyum from his lap. Used this on the disc art.


I also drew the four henchmen, but I didn't use them anywhere, so I never even colored them in ...
http://orangecow.org/thief/lackeysscan.jpg
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#215145
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/215145/action/topic#215145
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Bad timing. The Pirate bay is gone, and the 20 people I was seeding, well, most of them had only 4 megs left to go ... at like 99.9 percent.


I need a new tracker. Ideas?

I've asked for myspleen status many times to no avail. I am asking Chris to put it up so we'll see if that happens.



Those who have partially downloaded the film, hold on to it, we'll figure this out and get it on another tracker so you can finish.
Post
#213047
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213047/action/topic#213047
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Okay, let's see if this works. I've never created/uploaded a torrent myself before.

I've created a torrent for the high quality Emule workprint of The Thief and the Cobbler and the 1966/1972 documentaries.

I've also created a torrent for the Princess and the Cobbler work in progress version and lots of other good stuff.

Go to The Pirate Bay... search for "Richard Williams" or "Thief and the Cobbler." You'll see my torrents. Start downloading them.
Okay, let's see if this works. I've never created/uploaded a torrent myself before.

I also have a few torrents up at mininova.org ... but I'm not sure if those work ... or indeed if any of these are working, so please someone jump on so I can see if it's working yet.

I've gone and asked for uploader status at myspleen.net - again - but frankly I don't expect anything from them. They're ... strange.
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#212633
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212633/action/topic#212633
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See Dick storyboard! Storyboard, Dick, storyboard!

http://orangecow.org/thief/YumYumColourSketch.jpg

Sadly this wound up as a Calvert shot in the final, though not a horrible one.


Original Ken Harris guide poses for the Thief up a tree ... turned into a video file by Luke Menichelli. Sadly it wobbles all over the place in the middle because of the way I scanned it.

http://www.orangecow.org/thief/Ken_Harris_Thief_polotree_720x540.avi

Tic Tac commercial - "I'll slip into something cooler."
http://www.orangecow.org/thief/somethingcooler.mov
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#212625
Topic
Criterion Collection: Adventures of Baron Munchausen & The Fisher King (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212625/action/topic#212625
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Animations of Mortality is great, well worth a grab from the "used" bin at amazon.com.


Dave West is doing the set-top transfers of this material. He has indeed done all the Fisher King material (apart from a "production audio" pass on the deleted scenes). He's on holiday or something, but will be doing Munchausen also. Good times.
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#212373
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212373/action/topic#212373
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>>what I don't understand is if it is too late to recover the classical music themes. Have you already finished your restoration or is it still time that I help you in the soundtrack?

I have finished my restoration.

>>And please allow me to make a critic of your DVD jacket. If I may, It doesn't look professionnal. It looks really cheap. With the characters pasted together with a blurry shadow around them... You should have been more mysterious, more simple maybe. Why didn't you just capture one of the extraordinary images from the film?


In English it's called a "criticism." The images from the film itself would be tiny DVD grabs, and when blown up would look terrible, because their quality is extremely low. I spent a lot of time redrawing them myself at a higher resolution. If it's not to everyone's taste, hey, but I'm proud of it personally.

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#211517
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211517/action/topic#211517
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New artwork! I wanted a new Zigzag, Yumyum and Thief for the final version of the cover, so:

http://orangecow.org/thief/yumyumcolorweb.jpg
From the zoom in on her when Tack meets Yumyum.

http://orangecow.org/thief/zigzag6colorweb.jpg
From the polo game.

I've done The Thief and a slightly altered King Nod as well, but didn't scan them in yet, as the people I live with aren't letting me use the scanner today.

I also drew the lackeys, and I did scan that in, but didn't color it.

Disc art, two versions:
http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefdiscartv3.jpg
http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefdiscart.jpg

"How to draw the Thief" -- reference I used for the drawing I didn't scan yet. A major thing is to keep the head round, and all his head parts rounded.

http://orangecow.org/thief/thiefreference.jpg
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#210221
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210221/action/topic#210221
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cUauOvNBQ


The Thief enters the war machine in pt. 16 of the film - the penultimate chapter!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDZpWBQxNQs

The final chapter!

The end.





If you want to send your friends a single link to the Youtube version, try this one:

This is a Youtube playlist containing 18 videos.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=55EE5872FE454FBA
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#209361
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209361/action/topic#209361
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Ogg sent me a whoooooole bunch of stuff! Yay! Thanks Ogg!


He also spotted an error on my disc, which stinks because I've already mailed out a bunch of copies and burned a big stack of 'em. Blah. When Yumyum says "Is that your name?" there's some weird flashframes really quick. Oh well. Fixing now.


Ogg sent me the pan & scan disc of Roger Rabbit Special Edition, which has even more special features ... like a pretty bad quality pan & scan copy of the trailer as an easter egg, an annoying making of documentary with Charles Fleischer (which reuses Roger footage in the exact same way as the Joanna Cassidy documentary decades ago) ...


I'm now watching Tummy Trouble for the first time in decades, and jesus it's weird watching a Roger Rabbit drawn by anyone other than Richard Williams. Well, in the old days of cartoons you'd have different directors and different styles and different animators ...

It's just weird that for these, there's no hint of Dick's style, but in a DIET COKE COMMERCIAL you get the real thing.

Well, it's always the real thing, Coca-Cola.


Dick's voice is in it though, which is equally weird. =)
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#209173
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209173/action/topic#209173
Time

>> Aren't the DVD's for Princess and Arabian Knight single-layer anyways? If so, your edit doesn't really matter if it's dual or not.

I'm not using the video directly from Arabian Knight - it was converted to PhotoJPEG 24p and remastered slightly, so whatever bitrate it had on that DVD doesn't matter as it's being recompressed. My cut is also a lot longer than Arabian Knight. I also added a few special features, so it came out at 6 gigs.



Anyway. Yeah, the single layer version still looks fine. This was also true of my Return of the Jedi edit, where it was designed to work on a single layer disc, and looked great, but despite my saying over and over that the single layer version was equal in quality, people wanted a dual layer version anway. So that's what I've done here too.


The versions I'm actually giving to the animators are single layer, so yes, I consider the single layer version the true version, it's fine that way.
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#209156
Topic
The Phantom of the Opera Resynched (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209156/action/topic#209156
Time
Was really glad to see this one - got it from the Pirate Bay ...

I had had the exact same idea to redub the film - suggested the idea in the "Dream Fan Edits" thread a few times. I was very glad to see this done.


The "Photoshop fireballs" scene is pretty embarrassing, but apart from that, this was a great idea for an edit and I definitely enjoyed it. Certainly an improvement, and my mother and sister will like it. Interested in getting the DVD (I don't download full DVDs via torrent because I don't have much disc space to spare).
Post
#209152
Topic
The Thief and the Cobbler: Recobbled Director's Cut (Released)
Link
https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/209152/action/topic#209152
Time
May 11, 2006:

Out of respect for Alex Williams and his father, I've now withdrawn the Alex Williams interview from this disc. You never know with these things what's right to include.


It will be replaced by a special fan's commentary about the restoration by Patrick McCart and myself ... which is less interesting but more appropriate for a fan disc!


First few discs have been sent out. I haven't sent them to the team who helped out on this project yet, as I'd like them to get the version with the new commentary when we record that ... and I might even make a few tiny changes yet, that no one but me would notice. =D


I am making a dual layer version of this disc available also, since it came out at about 6 gigs. The single layer version as usual looks great and makes a dual layer version unnecessary.


Two new discs have been added to the set, with more coming ...


1) "Fake widescreen" Raggedy Ann & Andy by Chris Boniface. Someone pointed out that the pan & scan VHS of Raggedy Ann & Andy was actually vertically stretched a bit, and could be stretched out into a widescreen image to look less cramped. It's still a pan & scan transfer of a cinemascope film, but is now 24p and in a widescreen frame, which works pretty well.

2) Roger Rabbit and the Secrets of Toontown, by Dave West ... has a 1988 documentary and 5 TV spots. Let me watch this one now!




Watched "Roger Rabbit and the Secrets of Toontown" ... a great disc by Dave West. The TV spots are all interesting - one of them has a shot from the "pig head" sequence, and is probably identical to the theatrical trailer, which I still haven't seen.

There is a Diet Coke ad and a McDonald's Ad which both have original animation in them. The Diet Coke ad is as great as it is embarrassing. There's reused AND new footage in it ... Bob Hoskins walks into the Ink and Paint Club to see Jessica performing (old footage of Jessica and Bob) - old Jessica footage now has her singing about Diet Coke! I'm not sure if it's Amy Irving. Bob sits down and sees Roger hiding in a live-action coat, drinking a live-action Diet Coke. New footage of both Bob Hoskins and Roger, with Charles Fleischer's voice. Roger appears to be animated by Dick Williams' studio, maybe even with roughs by Dick himself, it looks exactly like the film version and is entirely up to standard. He looks directly into the camera while saying he's enjoying his Diet Coke. Dear God.

The McDonalds ad advertises Roger Rabbit cups. Roger and Jessica (new animation) are seen pulling up to the drive-in. Hard to tell if it's up to film standards, but it's certainly close.

The main special: "Roger Rabbit and the Secrets of Toontown" ... an hour long (45 minutes sans commercials), originally aired on CBS in 1988, with the classic CBS "Special" logo on it. Obviously produced by Disney, it even has Dick Van Dyke in it. Joanna Cassidy hosts, which is nice. They clearly thought, who's got the biggest part in this film that we can get because they don't have anything better to do? There is a scene in a theater where she "interacts" with old footage of Roger from Eddie's theater scene. No new animation was created, but Charles Fleischer recorded new voicework. The animation appears here without tones or shading, as just flat animation. Robert Zemeckis is interviewed most, but Dick appears several times. Footage is similar to "I Drew Roger Rabbit" at times - they were pulling from the same material, or from this special. Interviews with Bob Hoskins, Charles Fleischer, Lou Hirsch, Mel Blanc (advertising his son's voicework for some reason), Chuck Jones (!), Ward Kimball, Mae Questel, Robert Watts (giving me Return of the Ewok flashbacks), a still-pretty Kathleen Turner, and Gene Kelly and Dick Van Dyke for some reason or another ... Friz Freleng was in the credits but I honestly don't remember seeing him.

Hoskins is funny throughout. At one point talking about all the stuntwork and physical punishment, Bob Hoskins says he wanted to kill Zemeckis but couldn't find any arsenic.


It ends with a "Read More About It."


Quality is good, from an old VHS.



EDIT: Oh, some guy named Spielberg is in it too. I didn't mention him because I figured you wouldn't know who he is.



Things that occurred to me about Roger Rabbit while watching this ...


The look of Toon Town, the opening "Smile, darn ya, smile," is slightly reminiscent of Raggedy Ann & Andy, with patchwork quilting everywhere. In both films this is used to slightly induce vomiting.

The design of Daffy Duck, Tweety and Bugs (in the air) is very "1940s" in this film, they're not the more familiar 1950s versions of the characters. Daffy is more of a Bob Clampett type with very strange hair (Williams' love of animating the more nonsensical details).

However, at the end of the film, when the characters gather together, there is much more of a 1950s feel and you can clearly see a Chuck Jones version of Bugs Bunny with the Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote ... (I always thought the inclusion from the back of the Paramount/Harvey comics Jack in the Box was a nice one too) ...



In unrelated news, David also sent me the Criterion Fisher King LD material. Baron Munchausen coming next.





EDIT EDIT:


I've also removed the Roy Naisbitt interview from the disc. Still going to be a lot on there!




Oh, for you Roger Rabbit fans, our rabbitmaster Dave West has been working on a second disc of Roger material ...

1. Siskel & Ebert Review
2. At The Movies Review
3. Entertainment Tonight Clips
4. MTV clips
5. Crook & Chase Clips & Review
6. Evening Magazine Clips ( Local Program from Philladelphia)
7. Who Framed Roger Rabbit CBS TV Version (Originally aired as part of The Wonderful World of Disney. With intro by Michael Eisner & Live Action Roger Rabbit. Contains some of the Deleted Pig Mask Footage)