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Anchorhead wrote:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

This is the only movie in the world in which this discussion is taking place. That isn't our fault, it's Lucas' fault.

That is the single most important point to remember in this entire thread.

Eventually as a parent-like being in this SW relationship, there comes a decision to point the finger at yourself.  It's nice that large blocks go out and put the latest doodle from this 70 year old man-child onto their fridge. (...landfilling the last doodle...)  The symbolic circle is now deformed and twisted, LFL is the necessary evil, the go between the creator and the memories.  Dolling them out like crumbs to the house where you'll eventually realize, you're not in Modesto anymore.   ...this metaphor is past it's prime, it's killed children, jedi, sith, even ackleys all in the name of the BEEP : Turn the page.

Now we all know just how screwed up the 2004 mix for ANH was

There are many new people coming to these forums, it's probably worth taking the time and going through these issues again.  Here's a post which begins to identify the 2004 audio mix revisions:  (This covers the basics?)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/is-there-a-list-of-2004-DVD-audio-changes/post/140068/#TopicPost140068

From Neil S. Bunk (via JWFan.net)

rear channels being reversed

 

Here is my list of sound changes. This is all in reference to changes made to the original film, except in a few instances I've pointed out differences also from the 1993 re-mix. Some of these new sounds obviously were heard in the 1997 re-mix, some are new to this mix. I've also included a few picture changes, but I feel they have been covered everywhere, while the sound mix has been virtually ignored. I have not noted any changes to specific SE shots (such as the destruction of Alderaan) since these shots are entirely new.


The 1954 recording of the Fox logo is still played though it sounds very distorted.

The new Lucasfilm logo is shown.

The ?Star Wars? title card starts moving much too fast in relation to the original and can be seen ?shifting gears? as it gets smaller and slows down.

New explosions can be heard over the opening shot.

The foley in this mix is very loud and in your face. Not subtle in anyway. Note Threepios footsteps. They've always been there, just never this loud.

The sound of the ship docking has some revised sound.

The shirts of the rebel troopers change colors. They were always gray before. In some shots now they are blue.

Vaders voice has been re-processed throughout the entire film to get him to match the sequels.

When Artoo opens the door to the escape pod, the button he pushes buzzes.

The laser blast that convinces Threepio to get in the escape pod was re-done in 1993. It is the same sound effect as a lamp blowing up in Raiders of the Lost Ark. This effect is also heard later in the movie.

When Vader is talking to the ?Second Commander? (?Lord Vader, the battle station plans are not aboard this ship!?) the room in the background makes beeping noises. For fun, I?ll point out that this actor has the same voice as General Dodonna at the end of the movie. I suspect that the ?Second Commander? is dubbed.

When Artoo is shot by the Jawas and falls over a tremendous bass impact has been mixed in.

The restraining bolt being installed makes a different sound.

Artoos arrival inside the sand crawler makes a new sound.

You now hear the sand crawler start up as it starts to move.

Later, you hear the sand crawler come to a stop. Threepio then says, ?We?ve stopped? before telling Artoo to wake up.

The sound of Threepio rising from the oil bath has been augmented.

The lunch scene with Beru and Owen has some new foley (Beru?s chair makes a sound now). This is a quiet scene and you can literally hear the faders being brought down after every line of dialogue. Dailogue does not sound integrated in this scene.

Beru?s pronunciation of ?father? has been re--done......again.

Luke?s land speeder can be seen in the long shot from the sand peoples point of view. Previously it was just a white speck moving.

The clanking of the sand persons gaffi stick is heard in this mix.

The Krayt Dragon sound that Ben uses to scare the sand people has been re-done. It almost sounds like a police siren at first. Definitely sounds artifical as opposed to the older, more organic sound.

The light sabers have not been re-processed to match the sound heard in the prequels.

In this mix it?s very clear that the bartender has been dubbed. It was not as obvious before.

When Luke is thrown into the table, it makes an all new sound effect.

When the stormtroopers walk into the bar they can be heard saying, ?Undertand you had some trouble in here?. This is heard under Hans, ?Looks like somebody?s beginning to take an interest in your handiwork.? line.

Alien sound effect is missing just before Threepios line, ?I would much rather have gone with Master Luke than stay here with you.?

The music edit just after the Jabba scene is pretty bad. The music just starts. Also Bens line ?If the ships as fast as he?s boasting we ought to do well? is different than the original mix. It sounds edited together here.

A quick dissolve is missing between the shot of the spy and the interior entrance of Docking Bay 94. It is a hard cut now.

The spy makes some more sounds before informing the stormtroopers of where Luke and Ben are.

There are new explosion sound effects in the shoot out in Docking Bay 94.

?You would prefer another target? A military target?? both sound crystal clear. ?Then name the system!? is clearly from the old mix. Right in the middle of the line there is a quality shift. This happens through out the entire movie, but this may be the most obvious. It almost feels like a game, wondering if the next line is going to be the new clear dialogue or the older sounding dialogue. Obviously, there is a lack of consistency here and it?s jarring throughout the film. This is problably the worst feature of this new mix.

When the Falcon arrives at Alderaan there is some very deep bass. However, when the Falcon is captured by the Death Stars tractor beam, deep bass is missing that was heard in the 1993 mix. However there is a lot of sound of the cockpit shaking.

Also in the 1993 mix, the sound of the TIE fighter shooting at the Falcon could be heard. That?s not here nor was it in the original mix.

The PA systems line, ?Close all outboard shields? sounds different.

Just before Han and company come out of the secret compartments, the two inspecting stormtroopers stop at the exit ramp and one of them says, ?There?s no one here.?.

When Luke exits out of the Falcon and taps his stormtrooper helmet, static can be heard.

The dialogue keeps changing during the command office scene, between the clear dialogue and the older sounding dialogue.

The computer in the detention block scene makes new noises.

When Han, Luke and Chewie are shooting the cameras in the cell block area, the explosions are all re-done. There is also some new blaster fire added. When Han shoots the console, his blaster is much louder now then it was before.

The explosion as the stormtroopers blast into the cell block is much louder and has more bass.

When Leia shoots the hatch to get into the garbage chute, the explosion is different.

Chewie pounding on the door of the trash compactor makes new sounds.

The famous blooper of the stormtrooper walking into the door has now been punctuated with a loud ?clunk? sound effect. What was once a tough to see mistake is now pointed ot for everyone to see.

When Ben is turning off the tractor beam (I guess this is what he?s doing since the display is no longer in English) some sound effects that were heard at Bespin in The Empire Strikes Back and in ALIEN are mixed in here.

The creature sound effects after they get out of the trash compactor are different.

When Leia fires her blaster during the chasm crossfire, it no longer sounds like Dirty Harry?s .44 magnum. This chasm also has the ALIEN/Bespin sound effect.

When Luke throws the grappling hook, it makes a ?whizzing through the air? sound effect.

When they are shouting for Luke to come on board the Falcon (after Ben?s death) Leia now says, ?Luke, come on!?. Previously, it was just ?Come on!?.

Music reverb heard during the fight with the TIE Fighters is gone.

During the TIE Fighter fight, there is a long shot of the Falcon and you can see red blaster fire coming from it. There is now sound there to match.

During the first dive towards the attack on the Death Star, key music has been dialled out for a few moments.

?He?s on your tail? line from the SE mix is not heard here.

New sounds can be heard in Red Leaders cockpit as his ship is failing.

When Red Leaders engine is hit by blaster fire, it now makes the same sound as a lamp blowing up in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

As Han, Luke, and Leia walk off after the battle, new crowd cheering effects can be heard.

Neil

Have they announced what language audio versions will be for each movie?

amazon descriptions:

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Original-Trilogy-Episodes/dp/B000PMLFRA

• Format: AC-3, Dolby, DTS Surround Sound, Dubbed, Subtitled, Widescreen
• Language: English
• Subtitles: English, French, Portuguese, Spanish

http://www.amazon.de/Star-Wars-Complete-Saga-Blu-ray/dp/B004HILOEW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313332663&sr=8-1

Sprache: Deutsch (DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1)

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.jp%2Fgp%2Fswitch-language%2Fproduct%2FB004HB2KF6%2Fref%3Ddp_change_lang%3Fie%3DUTF8%26language%3Den_JP

Subtitles: English, Japanese

http://www.amazon.fr/Star-Wars-Lint%C3%A9grale-saga-Collector/dp/B004HYGSXS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313332879&sr=8-1

• Format : Couleur, DTS stéréo
• Langue : Anglais, Français
• Sous-titres : Anglais, Français

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Star-Wars-Complete-Episodes-Blu-ray/dp/B004HYH94K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313332994&sr=8-1

Classification: To be announced

http://www.amazon.it/Star-Wars-Saga-9-Blu-ray/dp/B004I1KXIG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1313332990&sr=8-1

• Formato: Cofanetto, PAL, Colore
• Lingua: Italiano

amazon.cn doesn't list any Chinese version.

(please post confirmation of other languages, Portuguese, Spanish, Swedish, some other SE Asian countries have had specialty language versions before, right?.  Would like to hear all the language versions one day.)

The 2004 DVD version had multiple languages.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Trilogy-Widescreen-Bonus/dp/B00003CXCT/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1313333570&sr=8-16

• Language: English (Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround), English (Dolby Digital 5.1 EX), French (Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround), Spanish (Dolby Digital 2.0 Surround)
• Subtitles: English

Oh, give me a home where the banthas roam

Where the wampas and the ackleys play

Where seldom is heard a discoura....

...second thought, nevermind.

Jaitea wrote:

Bingowings said:

....which is possibly a factor in my preference for members of the same gender.

......whaaat?

It's hard to have a member preference for a memberless gender. 

Eitherway both sides suck (life force), just like Star Wars.

...but when things suck, Vader will offer you a candy cane.

via: http://forum.blu-ray.com/5073555-post19495.html

OMG LAYA HAS FORS BEAM!!! ITS PRUF TAHT LAYA ES A JEDYE N LUKS SISTUR N TAHT LUKISS HAD IT UL PLAND OUT IN TEH BEGINENG!!! STUPED HATERZ U WUR RONG LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

Ahhh that's Luke's other twin half sister Aiel, aka tha Rehto; notice the orange hair.  Also notice how they are on Koozebane.  This is right before they gargle Gershwin.  Who's your tailor?  Who's YOUR TAILOR!!!!!

Using the 'Insert/edit image' -> Alignment-Right doesn't do anything.  But maybe this is a specific browser thing.  (using Firefox 5.0.1 and tried Chrome)

Align righted pics in this post:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Treadwell-Collection/post/522637/#TopicPost522637

No alignment code is being added:

<p><img src="http://noneinc.com/TWC/TWC288/TWC288-Image_05.jpg">http://noneinc.com/TWC/TWC288/TWC288-Image_05.jpg" width="163" height="120" />58 - RTL Chew-Chewbacca Chewing Gum "galaktisch frisch!"</p>

R2D2 sends along some additional details about the German programming on TWC288.

53 - 3 "Airplane" : Komische Katastrophe w/ Mark Hamill (1980s)

R2D2 writes:

First pic is from a show called "Disco":

http://www.imdb.de/title/tt0204768/

The guy singing is the moderator of the show: Ilja Richter

http://www.imdb.de/name/nm0725274/

The show was music orientated as far as I know.

google translate:

'Disco' : http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.de%2Ftitle%2Ftt0204768%2F

Ilja Richter : http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.de%2Fname%2Fnm0725274%2F

55 - Krieg der Sterne disco dance

The 2nd & 3rd pic are from some musical number, unknown show to me. But the guy who is revealed under Darth Vaders helmet was famous and called "Harald Juhnke":

http://www.imdb.de/name/nm0432086/

google translate:

Harald Junhke : http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.de%2Fname%2Fnm0432086%2F

Both Junhke and Richter are listed in an episode of 'Disco' (S01E92) on July 10th 1978.  But this seems too early as the segments have Yoda and a Snow Speeder in them.

58 - RTL Chew-Chewbacca Chewing Gum "galaktisch frisch!"

Pic 4 and 5 seem to be selfmade commercials for amusement inside a show with Thomas Gottschalk, who can be seen at the very end - just before the cut. Channel is "RTL".

http://www.imdb.de/name/nm0332052/

I am sure the commercials are from one of his shows, he moderatored during the 80s (or 90s?).

google translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imdb.de%2Fname%2Fnm0332052%2F

67 - Tatt. German Episode 1 News Report

The last pic is clearly from channel "Pro Sieben", or "Pro 7", the program is called "Taff".

Thanks R2D2, this info should be able to spark the memories of someone who saw these shows.

Part of this retro-tv.de program talks about SW, people in the comments are doing the yes/no Episode IV in 78 thing, but the thread also mentions Richter.

http://www.retro-tv.de/folge-54

doubleofive wrote: There are actually people out there who would argue that Vader's lightsaber was always pink, when half of a google search of images from EVERY VERSION FROM 1977-2004 HAS RED SABERS?!

It's no great source for color, but the VideoCollector ESB boot shows some of both:  The problem seems to be one side is saying certain shots should be x,y,z and the other side isn't debating that point, they're expanding the issue into this uniformity thing.

- Red -

- Pink -

- Red -

- Pinkishier -

- Pink -

So back then they used either one setting which interacted with the backgrounds or they thought how the lightsaber's blade would look different in various lighting schemes and now they've decided to make the colors uniform.  One seems more realistic the other less so.

Still waiting for the black Force Beam:

via: http://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/2010/03/ive-got-bad-feeling-about-what-this.html

But maybe Force Beams are orange:

http://theswca.com/images-speci/harper/force-beam.html

dayjoborchestra presents:

- Keys to the Zebra -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7X6Orlc73g

- Living in Pickering is Pointless -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQIZyZ02ypk

Tusken's love disco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxWirF0tfmo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QIsHQfKZ4g

stick with it till the end.

The Aluminum Falcon wrote: Don't worry all text is on Google Cache... No photos though.

Not correct.  google's only got 8 pages: (site:savestarwars.com) 

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:savestarwars.com&hl=en&biw=1152&bih=993&gbv=2&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&ei=dHZGTqbfIsje0QGKuYDNBw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=1&ved=0CC4Q_AUoAA

They have most of the images:

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:savestarwars.com&hl=en&biw=1152&bih=993&gbv=2&prmd=ivns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=WXVGTpbQKefY0QH1-sHLBw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

but i've been unable to retrieve them as everything redirects to the current hosting page.  Was able to find another 4 pages in bing's archives.  Am looking around for more. (please post tips)

Here are the pages/files i've collected: http://fd.noneinc.com/savestarwarscom/

(anything listed zzz FILENAME.html is a page which existed but don't have an archive for.  If someone could go through this thread to find the links zombie84 posted, that would be a helpful.  Otherwise i'll get to it eventually. *EDIT* did it.  See below:)

If anyone has any pages/files, please PM.

savestarwars.com page listing:  * = not saved

* http://savestarwars.com/

http://savestarwars.com/theatricalaudioresources.html

* http://savestarwars.com/fanpreservations.html

http://savestarwars.com/dontrocktheboat.html

http://savestarwars.com/technicoloribscreening.html

* http://savestarwars.com/specialeditionfail.html

http://www.savestarwars.com/starwarsblurayblues.html

http://savestarwars.com/righttoculturalheritage.html

* http://savestarwars.com/gout.html

* http://savestarwars.com/howthegrinchstolestarwars.html

* http://savestarwars.com/faq.html

--(http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Save-Star-Wars-Dot-Com/post/438008/#TopicPost438008)

http://savestarwars.com/lucasspeechagainstspecialedition.html

http://www.savestarwars.com/starwarsonfilm.htm

--(some of the image used: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Save-Star-Wars-Dot-Com/post/472541/#TopicPost472541)

http://www.savestarwars.com/goutcorrect.html

* http://www.savestarwars.com/doasisay.html

So those are the pages posted in thread.  There are others which were created but not directly linked too, please post if you've got any of those:

http://www.savestarwars.com/about.html

http://www.savestarwars.com/links.html

http://www.savestarwars.com/news.html

?????

*EDIT*  Finding a few more: (@ yahoo)

* http://savestarwars.com/filmpreservation.html

* http://savestarwars.com/style.css

* http://savestarwars.com/resources.html

* http://savestarwars.com/editorials.html

If anyone's into beta-testing, ran a wget mirror of zombie's secrethistoryofstarwars.com and did a convert link version so I think i've got the whole site, just need someone to click through the links looking for missing stuff. 

Archive can be found here: http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/

[Thinking if this worked, i'll start a thread for other pages to preserve and start an archive, which can be zipped and shared]

but I need to figure out a way to add something to the pages so that it specifies an archive and what date it was created, like the search engine cache's do.

{for those looking to get into wget, here's the command I used:

wget -m --adjust-extension --no-verbose --force-directories --user-agent --tries=3 --random-wait --convert-links -page-dependencies --directory-prefix=[[[Files get saved here]]] --output-file=[[[Log file location & name]]] http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/

}

http://www.nzmint.com/starwars

dark_jedi wrote: see what I mean by some of the fucking j*** a**** here, now I am kenkraly, this thread is to funny, too funny.

No this makes you kenkraly:

dark_jedi wrote: we are ALL Star Wars fans to some degree

And i'll go into further elaboration but this is incorrect. *THIS* (waves arms furiously) is a mental disability. I am not a Star Wars fan, I have a disability and acknowledging the problem is part of the solution.

*EDIT*

I just recently finished taking a course, after the final class a bunch of us went out for a celebratory drink.  So everyone shares a little about their lives and eventually I can't help but mention the shit i'm involved in being investigatory into this SW thing.  A literal spit take from one of the group, and that's fine but it's that look afterwards like, 'you complete waste of existence', that comes to their face.  Which just drills home how off the map we really are here.

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-repair-a-Bugaboo-Pram-with-3D-Printing/

Pram connoisseurs out there will know that the Bugaboo is by far the best pram on the market for style, function, ergonomics and collapse ability, unfortunately they are also very expensive to buy and even more expensive to repair, until now.... 

With the increased accessibility of high quality 3D printing thanks to Shapeways , you can get your Bugaboo back on the road for $25, not bad considering I was quoted $250 for a repair.....

Following is a step by step guide to repairing the handle lock, without which the pram is near useless.

I 3D printed my replacement parts in stainless steel using Shapeways, you could try ABS and do it much cheaper but I really recommend stainless steel.

via: boingboing.net

^ There's some updated posts.  answer is publicity@lucasfilm.com.

dark_jedi wrote: Why would he? the way he gets treated here it does not surprise me at all.

Look at the stuff you get in your threads, I create lots of threads no one cares about, it's a wonder any of us return.  He's been lurking and doing this for maybe 5 years with multiple accounts, looking for something he is.

^ the one time he's got new information which he could post and he doesn't share.

where is this post?  *EDIT*

http://boards.theforce.net/star_wars_saga/b10456/30885339/p130

I've tried him (through e-mail) as well about probably the same issue, no response as of writing.  In his absence tried to take care of the issue, but it's coming up 'claimed'. 

Harmy....

http://starwarsaficionado.blogspot.com/2011/08/new-blu-ray-deleted-scene-clip-chasm.html

http://bdlive.dk/media/movie/DK/Back/StarWarsTheCompleteSagaBackDK.jpg

via: boards.theforce.net via bluray.com

zombie84 wrote: I think the really ironic part is that a billionaire is so concerned with a few thousand dollars in lost revenue.

There are 3D printers on the horizon which will wipe out the toy revenue stream, unless laws are put in place and enforced.

The below blog says the DVD (Lionsgate) will about out on October 25, 2011.

http://www.cityonfire.com/the-people-vs-george-lucas-dvd-lionsgate/

^ http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=10&p2_articleid=412

Explanation and pics at bottom.  Here's some of the info:

The only thing that really makes me believe this scene was actually shot (besides the look on Mark Hamill's face) is the following quote from Jon Knoles in the Star Wars Insider, Issue #33 (page 59) talking about the game, Shadows of the Empire for Nintendo 64:

"We knew, for instance, of the scene where a wampa actually broke through into Echo Base and mauled a tauntaun (and possibly some Rebel troops) and a scene where Luke actually took over an auto-laser cannon and blasts a wampa or two. The wampa filmed in this shot looked absolutely hilarious with a big fluffy face and metallic round eyeballs. We saw the picture in a Kodak shoebox Photo CD that Lucasfilm Ltd. provided us with some time ago."

How much involvement from the actual still living pilots and members of these teams has been mentioned?

^ The Puggo Grande mono track is from the Swedish 16mm print.

http://www.hardbat.com/puggo/puggoGrande.html

What is the "Puggo GRANDE"? It is my telecine transfer and restoration of an old 16mm print of Star Wars. The film was borrowed from a source who wishes to remain anonymous, and who for now will go by the name Jaxxon. Actually, Jaxxon provided me with two prints, both of which have the original crawl. One of the prints has Swedish subtitles and the mono mix. I used the Swedish version as a source for the mono mix and for a few video segments when needed to patch damaged frames. The Swedish print was later released seperately.