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Why should this be any surprise, do you need a reminder of where this franchise has been:

Recent Interview with RLM:

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/post/122310-red-letter-medias-fresh-spin-on-the-crazed-youtube-reviewer/

<blockquote>“When I did the first review, the  Star Trek: Generations one, I started to record it in my normal voice and it was just horrible and dull. So I decided to do it in character to make it more palatable, especially since my goal wasn’t to just give a cursory review, but rather to get really detailed. It is a massive amount of pointless nerd deconstruction so there has to be a ‘wink wink’ element to it. If you didn’t have some kind of humor with the material you’d come off as either someone with no life at all (which is true in my case) or someone who’s a big armchair critic that thinks he knows everything. The character adds a certain level of irony and fun to it .”</blockquote>

lots of other tid bits in the interview, the creation process, the differences between series (ST, SW, LotR), and his owning of awkward.

Yes, there's a group here who are interested in almost any Star Wars related video.  I personally have a fascination with local news media coverage, you get a truer sense of what people thought at the time.  Generally everyone around here appreciates the documentaries.  Several from the time frame you mentioned have been preserved, but if your quality is better, upgrades are welcomed.

If you can please post a list of what you've got.  (assuming VHS are any in high quality or did you go for quantity, like I did...)

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You should contact the person who bought the computer from you right away.  Tell them you'll replace the HD with a new one.  Make sure they don't modify any of the data...

If worse comes to worse, there's a Unix utility called 'dd' which can possibly make a duplicate of the drive.  So that you can use this new version to pick through the files you want.  It's very slow (days for 250gb), but does provide results.  (even though below is a mac webpage, the principle of the process could recover a pc formated drive)

http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050302225659382

Think he ment this: http://starwarsage9.com

Doesn't anyone find it phun to watch them in random orders?

The films is collecting the 'fanboy' label, which is not good for a theatrical release... but people are acknowledging the dynamic output of the general public, which is a good thing

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62E0BY20100315

Philippe finds some people to defend Lucas' right to do whatever he wants with the universe he imagined, including turn it into a crushing bore. But in the end the prosecution/defense conceit isn't nearly as involving as glimpses of the vast array of creative output inspired by these films: Even a well-informed "Star Wars" enthusiast will likely make new discoveries here, and more-casual fans will be stunned by the homemade remakes, imaginative off-shoots and eagle-eyed edits put together by ordinary people who may have a stronger feel for the Force than the man who dreamed it up.

The Reference Finding Game - The Subtitle Search Way

Ok here's the game: i've downloaded a subtitle collection (tv episodes and movies (148k subtitles... lots of dupes and mutli-languages)) and fairly easily I can throw terms or sentence fragments or combinations into the collection to find references.  For instance, throwing "Star Wars" into the collection returns 261 unique television episodes or movies.  "Uncle Owen" & "X-wing" only return one result.  Extra credit for the more unique search query.  Bonuses for the more words which define a search phrase.  "May the Force Be With You" = 10 hits.  (if you think you have an idea for a permutation toss it out.  for instance "May the" *blank* "be with you")

Also am researching inspirations for Jar-Jar.  There were several articles when TPM came out claiming to have ideas for the aspirations of Jar-Jar evolving from classic racially sensitive characters.  Stepin Fetchit (AKA Theodore Monroe Andrew Perry), Butterfly McQueen.  But in the articles they never mentioned specific films or even a scene.  So now it's time to take a stab into their filmographies.  Perry's is extensive, so if anyone has a clue how to proceed that would be great.  Might just start with one of his early ones like "Hearts in Dixie" 1929.  This problem also crosses over into the language of the Neimodians which again was thought to be a lift of old chinese film speak.  So going to try out 'Charlie Chan in Egypt' 1929.

One review does latch onto this website's goals:

http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/03/the-people-vs-george-lucas-at-sxsw.html

Still, there are some interesting moments, especially when Philippe deals with Lucas' alienation and loneliness, and the twists and turns that have made him the marketing superpower he seemed to loathe as a younger man. The best questions the film raises are the ones about the director's refusal to issue original, theatrical versions of his original trilogy to compete with the new ones. The best answer is one that's never spoken: Deep down, Lucas knows viewers would likely want the old versions, not the ones he considers best. Even after all these years, he still doesn't know what people want.

& here's an audio interview from Tor's The Geek's Guide to the Galaxy Podcast:

http://www.tor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=blog&id=58895

...and how is it known that the advanced reader copy is out there?

A fan edit from the art gallery crowd:

http://kostas-seremetis.blogspot.com/2010/02/trilogy.html

http://kostas-seremetis.com/

"TRILOGY"
2009 / 126 mins / by Kostas Seremetis

A moving visual and aural collage consisting of the Star Wars Trilogy,
artist Kostas Seremetis edited this 126 minute film, taking the left
third of Star Wars, the middle third of Empire Strikes Back and the
right third of Return of the Jedi, synchronizing them to dissonant
effect. Every frame is a study in Abstract Expressionist Pop art as
this moving collage of the most iconic films of our time moves to the
sounds of the three films playing simultaneously. Characters move in
and out of portions of the screen, ships and battles appear and
disappear melding into one part of the screen from another part while
the third portion of the screen portrays a crucial moment of discovery
in a character's development.

This invitation-only screening will be preceded by an introduction by
the artist and followed by a discussion of the film.

There's just not enough info to draw a conclusion.  On one hand, SW was easier since it had the origin story which could fill pages.  But also harder since maybe the archiving wasn't up to the level it would be.  On Empire they knew people had an interest in everything so the Archiving and documenting would have gotten greater scrutiny, making production easier.  But conversy, maybe finding interesting storylines from the production would be hard to come by, since people knew what to do and just got to it.  So what could be holding it up are new interview material.  Finding all the production people, chatting them up and seeing what fleshes out into printable material.  It is a tremendous undertaking, first seeing/hearing what's out there, then putting it all together.

In the mean time, here's an interview with Roger Christian (production designer SW, Alien)

http://www.shadowlocked.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=134:exclusive-interview-the-worlds-of-roger-christian&catid=47:movie-interviews

There's some talk about Empire in it.

I know the arc copy has been out for a while and just how rare it is.

What is the "arc copy"? Agree they forsee better sales if the book comes out in time for the holidaze. Could pay off, but again, they're making their core wait...  sucks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR28oWPJ8vA

I wouldn't worry about who's in it, until the final cut is seen. But from recent interviews, sounds like the project overall is gaining a lot of momentum.

http://scifiblock.com/feature-articles/talking-with-the-man-behind-the-people-vs-george-lucas.htm

PG.4 "You know, it’s just one of those situations where we’ve been invited by a number of festivals. Unfortunately its tricky for us because we have to limit ourselves to a certain amount of festivals prior to sales and distribution, as we want this to be a theatrically viable film."

Talk of a theatrical release is new to me.  Would make sense to try to get the theatrical run sometime this year to coincide with ESB anniversary.  Maybe fall, then the DVD in winter.  but that's being highly optimistic.  Probably end up being a several year process...

As for how many people from OT.com in it, let's say 6-8.  complete speculation, not a clue. keep hearing names of people who interviewed or sent in something but what ends up in the final cut is anyone's guess.  Recent promotions/interviews do point that PvsG will hinge partly on the OT proper release debate.  So that gives creadance to several members making the final cut.

After watching/seeking through many television programs of late, going to relax and watch some of the Inspiration movies which have influenced the Star Warses.  Currently watching 'Hidden Fortress' in the queue are: Battle in Outer Space, Flash Gordon (Space Soldiers and Trip to Mars), Forbidden Planet, Kairyu Daikessen, Sanjuro, Seven Samurai, Silent Running, Space 1999, Dam Busters, The Searchers, Tora! Tora! Tora!, Triumph of the Wills, Yojimbo, 633 Squadron, Bridges at Toko-Ri & Twelve O'Clock High.  Anyone out there seen any of these films and can remember anything particular which they thought was reminicent of some scene, dialog or other element of Star Wars?

Found an interesting inspiration in the Gene Roddenberry pilot "Planet Earth" (1974).  Many of the women characters wear the same Leia ANH buns, and at one point a character is at an auction and one of the purchasers says "How about that one instead" very similar to Luke's choosing of R2 from the Jawas.

Yes those are both solid resources, which are on the adgenda to do an appendix and footnote peruse. (can see the picture of Robin Hood in my mind from the Rinzler book which I don't think is in the :F:L:I:M:S:I:P:L:A:S:T: :D:A:T:A:B:A:S:E:) Sucks that the Empire book has been pushed back till late summer. Have a shelf of books and magazines to look through. Would love to be able to search through old magazines, since they would be the places this kind of information would have been circulated, prior to the internets. If only collections like: http://starwarsmagazines.online.fr/ would be more then just the covers...

That's the thing with this project, the initial push which people have done by posting their favorites online, for the last 10-20 years, has happened. Now it's finding the less obvious more obscure. Which might be posted somewhere out there, it's about filtering archives to make them stand out.

Identified timecode for about 350 programs in the last couple weeks.  Many thanks to VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) so things can be watched at 2x - 8x time speed.  Interesting now they talk faster in cartoons then in most prime time programs.  Trying to figure out how to watch the movies, have a bunch of MST3Ks which i'll be experimenting with.  Luckily DAP (http://www.dapcentral.org/) has some of the timecodes but most require watching.  Also finding the free subtitle sites to be helpful.  Just wish the subs weren't all .zip'd so they'd be searchable online.  Might have to urltoys one of the sites...  would be helpful to throw terms and phrases into the subs to see what returns.

So...this thread is about a review?

No, no, no. This thread is a whey of life. Often colored blue.

Care to ellaborate in an uncomplicated way?

This will sound rude, but ce la vie. I don't think I can do that. Unfortunately if you've followed the other project (tBSWM) i try repeatedly to figure out a simple way to explain the ideas but it just doesn't seem to happen. I tried to make it simple, I posted one sentence which I thought condensed what this project was going to be. Your first statement showed an interest but you were confused. I did have the website link which had further explanation, and links to other documents which are the part of the process of this project. Sorry folks but it's going to take some reading, i don't know how to explain it any other way. So with that i'll explain a part of the process.



Process Explanation 1: From Script to Clip

In this case, let's start with the Star Wars script and a quote we're all familiar with:
http://starwarz.com/starkiller/scripts/thestarwars_revised_fourth_draft_jan.htm

DODONNA
Man your ships! And may the Force be with you!

The 'May the Force Be With You' quote is common place now. What we'll do in this project is attempt to show not only where it came from (inspirations) but how it's been incorporated into society (reference). So Task One is to find mentions of these inspirations and references. There have been websites, books, articles which discuss these. I've been pulling them together tp make a database of these ideas. (That's the :F:L:I:M:S:I:P:L:A:S:T: :D:A:T:A:B:A:S:E:)

So for the quote 'May the Force Be With You' where did it come from? There are guesses out there, one of them is from the experimental film by Arthur Lipsett called 21-87. In that film is the quote:

"Many people feel that in the contemplation of nature and communication with other living things, that they become aware of some kind of...ah... force or something behind this apparent mask. Which we see in front of us." (i've found this film and the quote takes place at ~03:30)

George Lucas has mentioned seeing this film and the title is also the inspiration for Princess Leia's holding cell number.

Now for the MTFBWY references. These are easier, since Star Wars has had such a huge impact on culture. Again online culture has made finding these pieces of information possible. Early on Star Wars fan websites began collecting the references people saw in television and movies. The major contributor was L. Mangue's Nerfherder Anonymous website. Where people sent in things they found and she added them to her webpages. The idea is to search through a website or page for a certain idea. So with search engine help like so:

site:www.nerf-herders-anonymous.net "may the force be with you"

That will bring up all the pages which have that quote. One example is:

http://www.nerf-herders-anonymous.net/TVKR.html

This is a page for Television References Letters K - R. If you then search the actual page for that quote, you'll see that people have said they've heard that quote in episodes of 'Life on Mars', 'Men Behaving Badly', 'The O.C.' & 'Only Fools and Horses'. (and with closer examination, there's also a 'May the Pork be with you')

So the next task is to figure out where in the episode those phrases actually happen, time code. That means viewing the program. Another way is to find an online subtitle or transcript and find the quote that way. Eventually though the episode will be found and that clip will be pulled out.

Then with the inspiration and reference for the General Dodonna quote, the final presentation will use the clips for (inspiration) 21-87 and (references) 'Life on Mars', 'Men Behaving Badly', 'The O.C.', 'Only Fools and Horses', etc.

The End Goal is to see how much of the movie can be found and replaced with Inspirations and References.

I'll explain more of the processes i've been going through to find inspirations and references. But please feel free to suggest some or ideas of places to look to find more. The :F:L:I:M:S:I:P:L:A:S:T: :D:A:T:A:B:A:S:E: is the 'known' quantity at this time. The ones with timecode have been found and nailed down, the others are TBD.

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Here's an example of how one type of search can be expanded into finding more material. As mentioned above, the quote 'May the Force be with you' can be parodied or changed by replacing 'force' with something else. On the Nerfherder Anonymous site there was a 'Pork' one.

So how do you find more of these type of Modified References?

Just realized that IMDb.com has a Quote data/search. but using the IMDb search won't allow me to do partial search. So with google, I can search:

site:imdb.com "may the" +"be with you"

And now I've got a bunch of pages to comb through. (14,400) Lots of these tend to be episode titles, i've found that that is a common occurance. The writers parody the episode title but don't have any SW reference in the actual episode. But right now just looking around for searchable ideas.

But the key is IMDb.com uses certain phrases on every page. In this case the 'Quote' page for every television program or movie starts with the phrase "Memorable quotes" So with the new search:

site:imdb.com "may the" +"be with you" +"memorable quotes"

I've dropped the returns to 5,550 which is much easier to wade through.  In this case Google stopped at page 12, when it says it's removed repeated items. With these big sites there tend to be high volume of duplicates.  In all, there might have been maybe 30-40 actual items.  about 5-8 new ones which I didn't already know about.

Can also then sort these returns by date to see what's new, if I repeat this same search a year or two later. Have done this with tv.com where i throw the phrase "star wars" into their database and see what returns, since people are constantly adding new references to their pages.

Have attempted to learn data scraping but wasn't able to learn the software. Anyone out there know website data scraping?

In 1998 three movies started production which shared a common theme, a trip to visit Skywalker Ranch.  The movies: 'Fanboys', 'die Lucas die' and ''77' all take a different perspective on the trip.  Fascinated by the circumstances which gave rise to these projects, i've put forth a series of questions to each of the writers to see how their experiences went.

http://noneinc.com/Archive/Interviews/RanchJourneyTrilogy.html

I'll post the answers as they come in.

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In thread Important Posts

Post : Description

007 : Explanation of Process : From Script to Clip & Expanding Search Tip

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/SWIRP-V/post/399523/#TopicPost399523

013 : Subtitle Search Results 001

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/SWIRP-V/post/404460/#TopicPost404460

:F:L:I:M:S:I:P:L:A:S:T: :D:A:T:A:B:A:S:E:

Inspiration Listing:

http://noneinc.com/Archive/FlimsiplastDatabase/FD-SW-Inspiration_Combined.html

Movie Reference Listing:

http://noneinc.com/Archive/FlimsiplastDatabase/FD-SWMov-Refs_Combined.html

Television Reference Listing:

http://noneinc.com/Archive/FlimsiplastDatabase/FD-SWTV-Refs_Combined.html

Please check out the lists and let us know of what's missing.

What i'm looking for are new programs and approximate timecodes.  Really need help with the movie timecodes, since you need to watch 2 hrs to find one 2 second clip.  Also the Inspiration listings are a little light, so please consider adding comics or books to the category.

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