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- What will the "official" Star Wars blu rays mess up?
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They won't provide the option to select between the original SW and revised Ep 4 crawls.
They won't provide the option to select between the original SW and revised Ep 4 crawls.
Has anyone tried recompositing Jabba into that shot with altered lighting? Also seems that a slight blur could do wonders, as he appears too detailed in comparison to the original film elements.
My attempt: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/104248
As much of a pain as it would be, I would suggest releasing both versions. This project looks awesome, looking forward to it. (Oddly enough, sparked my curiosity on what AotC and RotS would look like if matched to the theatrical TPM, rather than the typical trying to match them to the OT.)
The problem with game capture devices is most of them have built in hardware encoders that can't be bypassed. You'd have to find a way to feed the uncompressed video directly to to computer to save losslessly, then convert with a multipass x264.
Just stumbled across this
http://hdguru.com/darbeevision-darblet-hdtv-dvp-5000-review/
(small slideshow here http://hometheaterreview.com/oppo-bdp-103d-darbee-edition-universal-disc-player-reviewed/#2) “hometheaterreview.com/oppo-bdp-103d-darbee-edition-universal-disc-player-reviewed/#2)”)
and it got me wondering what everyone’s preferred method of upscaling footage for projects is. I’ve always thought it would be amazing if someone with top of the line hardware could release high bitrate BD encodes of lossless captures of some of the projects that have only seen releases on DVD/720p.
From my personal experience, I can say that my old Samsung UP5000 has made many edits “pop” in comparison to what I was getting out of my PS3.
I don't mind it except... Why not "The Force Awakened"... Such a small change, same basic meaning, but sounds like 10x cooler...
I definitely know what you mean. In comparison, it is incredibly different. However, viewed in motion I've been pretty happy with the results.
Yes, the vast majority of my settings were applied in After Effects using Hue/Saturation settings. I've struggled with finding the correct Brightness and Contrast settings, as the lower saturation causes the brightness to make the film appear washed out. However, having color corrected mainly with saturation, hue, and individual color brightness, upping the master saturation causes pretty bad artifacts.
I color corrected against Harmy's despecialized Star Wars.
I love the concept of Emanswfan’s project… but I’m an impatient person 😉. So impatient that I went to work on a grain addition/OT color scheme attempt of my own.
This project is definitely different in that I have not scene by scene color corrected - instead, I have spent hours trying to find a one size fits all color correction for each film. As such, I’m not striving for perfection nearly as much as I’m looking for a far better starting point for myself and other editors looking to make PT fanedits. These are the official Blus, just visually changed to match the OT. No deleted scenes are included, though when I have finished all three films I may go back and do them as well.
I will update soon with images in the second post (internet currently down at home so won’t have screengrabs for a little bit.
However, my TPM is finished, just running through x264 to drop down from the 300+ GB file it currently is. I will first be releasing a DVD-9 AVCHD, and if it is deemed of acceptable quality by the community, I will release a BD-25. The audio I’ll be including on these is 640 kbps english ac3 to provide more space for higher quality video, while still providing adequate audio quality in a format compatible with most editing programs.
Expecting to release TPM in the next couple days. At that point, I will possibly exspleen where to get them.
Sounds like the RotJ you have is Q2s.
Anyone think there's a chance we'll see a return of Alec Guinness as Obi Wans ghost? Considering they are creating a whole scene of Philip Seymour Hoffman in the last hunger games, I'd imagine it could be quite possible.
Anyone else excited?
Finally, I can quit paying for the Start8 start menu and rid myself of Metro!
Sorry, got caught up and went a bit overboard X.X
stretch009 said:
Adywan's Revisited of Episode IV (Subpar PQ though, won't watch again until it's in HD)
Blasphemy. Revisited is about as good as DVD can get, and looks better than most upconverted.
I definitely see what you mean, trying to maintain continuity between the three. Empire always seems to be the odd man out because it is the only one the intense blue filter even slightly worked for.
Looking through the shots again, it could be the contrast throwing me off. The problem with Empire is that most scenes are either all bright or all dark. Contrasting colors and lighting don't seem to be used near as frequently as in the others, SW especially. I understand the effort to avoid the digital look, but I do think that contrast levels shouldn't be lowered quite so much for Empire.
Color wise, the two shots that stand out to me are Regraded 1 and Regraded 9.
If you compare the skin tones to the wall/room color in the original Blu shots, they contrast quite a bit. Wall tones are white, skin has a slight red hue to it. In the regraded shots, both the skin AND the wall have been altered to appear more yellowish. The skin tone is just about dead on, but with the surroundings also taking on so much of that same hue, it makes the color correction a little less seemless in that as a viewer, it kind of feels like a blanket color shift has been applied (like the teal shift in AOTC, though not nearly as obvious).
I can completely respect your reasoning, and I don't mean to nitpick. Your work looks stellar and I look forward to having the time to view your edits in their entirety soon.
Edit (redited):
Here are a few mockups using gimp. I lowered the yellow saturation by 17 and raised the contrast by 2.
Bluray is on top, kk650 2.1 is middle, and kk650 2.1 + tweaks is on the bottom
Loved the screencaps for Star Wars... These ESB shots all seem a shade too yellow for my liking, and also makes a few of the shots appear more washed out (the details are there, but less visible). Just throwing in my $.2
Anakin was crazy powerful though. Or is intended to be. It doesn't seem beyond possibility he would figure it out quickly.
My suggestion is Seciors 1 and 2, L8wrtr's 3. Been watching this way the last while and I'm pretty happy with it.
The Q2 saga doesn't quite do it for me, but I will say that it is very streamlined and professional, and offers a very nice consistent trilogy.
I personally feel their noses should wiggle
RotJ:R
Should all ewoks blink, or none of them?
Perhaps your next version of Jedi should be 1.8 then, to distinguish the difference from the 2.x set that incorporates 35mm footage?
Now can't wait until Empire Revisited comes out - splicing Adywan's Emperor hologram into DESB 2.0 might well be my preferred ultimate version!
I've always wondered if using a high end Upscaling player with a PC capture card would yeild better results for the GOUT. Running 1080p from a Toshiba XA2 or an Oppo seems it could be a better option than software upscaling.
brash_stryker said:
For me, it would have to be a slightly more mystical setting than a landing pad though ;)
One potential issue is that this deleted scene was only included on the DVD, not the Blu-Ray so resolution might be an issue.
I agree on the landing pad thing - sadly, it's the only scene I see that really working for... Though, having it in such a commonplace setting goes to show that it is a normal Jedi occurrence.
I'd almost think the fact that it's a DVD scene would make it lend itself to the change easier. Make the changes at DVD resolution, then upconvert the whole sequence - it might make the addition blend better, despite standing out some among HD footage (1080p edits will struggle far more with this, but with Revisited at 720p it shouldn't be too bad to include DVD-sourced footage)
Okay, this would take a huge amount of work, but I think it is almost possible...
In AotC, Obi-Wan talks to Mace and Yoda about Anakin not being ready. Most edits replace this with the superior Obi-Wan/Mace deleted scene. I suggest we got a bit further.
What if Mace was replaced in this scene with a Force Ghost of Qui-Gonn. You'd have to find a Liam Niesen lookalike and someone who sounds like him (luckily, you wouldn't need both to be the same person). This sets up a precedence for Force Ghosts in the OT (without an awkward RotS explanation), and makes the living council seem less ignorant - Yoda and Mace shouldn't have sent Anakin on the mission, knowing of his attachments. Qui-Gonn, however, has a determined faith that blinds him a bit and thus adds motivation and depth to the dialogue in the scene. Of course it would have to be edited down so it seems Obi-Wan is talking to Qui-Gonn, but I really think it could work.
Scene Dialogue (Edits in Caps/Strikeouts)
Obi: It appears someone doesn't want us to know about this Kamino system.
Mace/QG: Which means there's something happening on that system we should know about.
Obi: Master, do you think a Jedi could have erased those files?
Mace/QG: I hope not. This disturbance in the force is making it hard to get a sense of things.
Obi: I'm concerned for my padawan ANAKIN. He is not ready to be on his own.
Mace/QG: If the prophecy is true, he is the one who will bring balance to the force.
Obi: But he still has much to learn. His skills have made him, well, arrogant. I realize now what you and master Yoda knew from the beginning, the boy was too old to start his training. Master, we should not have been given this assignment. I fear Anakin will not be able to protect the Senator.
Mace/QG: Why?
Obi: He has an emotional connection with her. It's been there since he was a boy. Now he's... confused, distracted. (this would be hard to change since it is a continuous shot.)
Mace/QG: Obi-Wan, you must have faith that he will choose the right path.
Obi: Yes, Master.
QG: MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.