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adywan said:

I was actually starting to think the same thing. lol. I'm pretty sure this project was a AVCHD for PS3 & Blu-ray players and not a HD-DVD thread. Negative1, if you are going to be doing your own seperate HD-DVD prtoject then maybe you could start a seperate thread about that. It would be more beneficial to people with HD-DVD players as they may not check this thread because its for Blu-Ray.

sure, no problem, once you're done, i'll post a separate thread..

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MoveAlong said:

WALL-E is by far the best movie (of any type) I have seen in a very very very long time, period. It's probably a little too intelligent or subtle for a lot of people...

wall-e 's pro-ecological theme was about as subtle as 'hitting someone over with the head with a sledgehammer', which is what i suspect the

motive of selling this to children was for.....notice how 'kung fu panda'[which i refuse to watch] is beating this as its competition?

more numbers: week 5. another huge drop of 37%

Seventh goes to WALL-E, which is now in its fifth weekend. WALL-E earned $6.3 million and was off 37% compared to the previous frame. WALL-E has seen drops of 48%, 42%, 46% and now 37% - drops that are way too high for the usual Pixar film. Still, a current domestic gross of $195.2 million is great, and it will slightly surpass Ratatouille's final gross of $206 million, which is in the lower echelon of Pixar releases.

'horton hears a who' which was decent was much more interesting as a storyline..

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by the way,

even though  its way too early..(and a little bit worrying)..

this tiny bootleg trailer for tron 2...ie : tr2n

is here http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archives/2008/07/tr2n_tron_2_trailer_online.html

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EJones216 said:

As for the "Godfather" question earlier on this thread, American Cinematographer has an article on the restoration, complete with frame grabs of entire negative frames. http://www.ascmag.com/magazine_dynamic/May2008/PostFocus/page1.php

So it can be confirmed that, like most 35mm productions, the entire frame was exposed. Including the generous amount of headroom on top, and the little strip of dead space on the left to be masked and occupied by the soundtrack. I still wouldn't expect anything other than a 16x9 DVD set.

thanks for the link to that awesome article...

i wish people understood what it takes to restore a film, instead of just blindly asking why company XYZ can't

just restore film ABC..................................................i really appreciate all the attention to detail, and feel it really is a lost art..

some specs for people..

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The project stayed at 4K throughout the restoration, and Harris says this capability was key to the team’s success. “Paramount didn’t wait to do this work because they didn’t want to invest in it,” he says. “What was necessary was the ability to work in true 4K resolution; anything they might have tried on the digital side before that would have been a waste of time.”

Yarbrough estimates that the digital files for the Godfather trilogy required 160 terabytes of storage space. (By comparison, the final scans for a 4K DI of a 100-minute feature require about 8 terabytes.)

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anyways, a very good read..

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what was missing?

i have it on laserdisc and dvd...i checked out wikipedia...and

it does look like a few scenes are missing, was it anything major?

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shimy said:

wow this is one hell of a thread. I can't beleive you think Wall-E was a flop. some of the reviews i have heard on the movie were overwhelmingly positive. One local critic where i live, In vancouver said he thinks its one of the best movies of this decade.

For get about box office numbers and all that crap. It is purely meaningless. When a peice of crap like spiderman 3 can break records it just goes to show how valuable those numbers really are.

I was looking and your rating for movies, and well i am very surprised by most of them:

you thought Nemo was bad. Just talking to people i have not met one single person that disliked that movie. And the one i found to be the most humerous was ratatille(sp) you said your interested in CG. Well i am curious to know how much CG work you have actually done. My roommate who is currently doing his masters in Computer graphical programing, recommended the movie to me, saying that the graphics were amazing, and i agree with him. There was stuff in that movie that have never been tried before. Academic papers were written on some of the techniques they used in that movie. WallE was the same, it was out of this world remarkable. I havent seen robots, or cars so i cant comment on them but i did see the incredibles and i thought it was just ok. But still you amaze me, your interesting in CG but you still find someway to dislike movies like wall-E.

 

look,

i meant 'flop' in the sense that in comparison to other pixar movies, it is performing underwhelmingly....ok? for the last time, YES, i know it doesn't matter

overall whether the market likes it or not, but it does have an impact on the company, and of course their future projects etc.......if you look at how all

the other pixar movies fared at this point in time, they were all doing a lot better, and this movie is starting to disappear off the map compared to

the other ones.............[granted $190 million is nothing to sneeze at, but it barely covers its production expenses]...............

..............not everyone likes all particular subject matter ok? i don't happen to like 'cutesy' animals/robots/etc...............granted 'car's didn't appeal to everyone either, although i liked it because i've always been biased towards cars....

ok, let''s look at the broader picture concerning 'cg'.........................

1) you want to know what work i've done with 'cg'? , i started off using computers back in the late 70's, everything from doing

line graphs, and 2-d plots on dot matrix printers, to 2 color monochrome, and  then 4 color cga monitors, and the over to primitive graphics on

16 color EGA screens back in the 80s, to 256 color VGA monitor after that

2) my background is in math, so i started doing mathematical modelling of graphs, figures, fractal objects, and then 3d objects, and of course ray-tracing

shortly after that.........................when i saw TRON that's what the set the standard for me....until 'toy story' came out, nothing could top it......

even today, a lot of movies can't match what TRON did.....

3) i worked with a lot of computer generated graphics programs in college, and during my coursework in mathematics.....later after i graduated, back

in 1991, i worked for a company that produced computer graphics libraries....i worked on image processing toolkits, and all other kinds of 3d software..

i eventually wanted to get into programming graphics for computer games, but lacked the artistic skills to get into that market at the time

4) afterwards, anything computer graphics related was just a hobby, using programs like FRACTINT, and autocads 3d-studio, and POV-ray, i delved

heavily into computer graphic rendering / 3d object rendering / ray tracing / radiosity etc, along with all the algorithms, and mathematical background

needed for that...................i also minored in physics, so i understood lighting/optics/refraction/reflection etc.......................which come into play when

understanding how those algorithms applied to those software packages....

5) you're saying that 'new techniques' were used in 'nemo' , 'wall-e' etc?????????????????? yeah, so what, they were based on older studies

of algorthims and papers that came out a much longer time ago..........yeah, sure we have more efficent ways, better lighting models, more

releastic textures/shaders etc.............but why would you care about that, unless you have a background in it...........most people are just

looking at eye-candy....................i'd be interested in what to hear your friend thinks is so 'revolutionary' if anything.........

6) i mentioned it before, but just because something might be 'technically innovative', it still needs to be artistic, and aesthetically pleasing also....................things

which i find a lot of the recent 'pixar' movies to be lacking................they really need to step it up, and instead of making incremental increases,

really need to do some ground breaking or major advances before i start taking them seriously again...

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i don't know if i would trust my rare laserdiscs to a place like this,

i would rather do it myself..

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Ripplin said:

Wow, you're saying there are at least 4 HDTV version out there? Were they all on different channels or were they taken from a couple and re-encoded by other people?

i have no idea,

this is all new to me..

1) was some version that averaged 11-13 gigs per movie : format  : .mkv encoding : h264

2) another smaller version that was around 8 gigs per movie : format : .mkv encoding: h264

3) this version i have is 8 gigs per movie : format : WMV -> format for streaming to XBOX 360

--------------------------

i'm sure they all came from the original wookiegroomer versions...which came from ? ask them.......

i've also heard there was german HDTV source (adywan) mentioned it earlier  - that had good quality also...

------------------------

future - > adywans 1080p bluray versions..................(corrected)

-> adywans esb:revisited  (bluray)

----------------------

i'm making my own private HD DVD versions of the 8gig -> mpg2 DVD DL , so i can test it on the x-box -> se versions

and i'll make HD DVD versions of whatever adywan puts out, along with (probably) higher quality .mkv digital versions..

---------------------

finally, i'll take a stab at converting the wookiegroomer versions -> 2xHD DVD, once i get a good idea if it is worth it or not,

(since mostly likely the 15 gig final version will have to be split across 2 DVD-R DL discs)...

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digitalfreaknyc said:

What are you using as your master?

i still don't have the wookiegroomer versions yet..

there's 3 other hdtv versions i have....

but i chose this one :

for ep 4 se

-----------------------------------

 File     :  7.81 GB (3.81 GB),  duration: 1:59:36,  type: ASF,  1 audio stream(s),  quality: 100 %
 Video :  561 MB,  10233 Kbps,  25 fps,  1920*816 (2.21:1),  WVC1 = Windows Media Video 9 Advanced Profile,    Supported
 Audio :  335 MB,  392 Kbps,  48000 Hz,  6 channels,  0x162 = Windows Media Audio 10 Professional,    Supported

for one trailer - ep 4 se

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 File     :  68 MB (68 MB),  duration: 0:01:01,  type: ASF,  1 audio stream(s),  quality: 100 %
 Video :  74 MB,  10233 Kbps,  25 fps,  1920*816 (2.21:1),  WVC1 = Windows Media Video 9 Advanced Profile,    Supported
 Audio :  2.87 MB,  392 Kbps,  48000 Hz,  6 channels,  0x162 = Windows Media Audio 10 Professional,    Supported
===================================================

i'm pretty sure they came from .h264 -> .mkv 1080p versions, and were converted over...

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ok, i got a better video analyzer..

-------------------------------------------

[ About file ]

Name: Star Wars Episode IV - A New Hope [Sample].wmv
Date: 20/07/2008 21:42:13
Size: 72,117,043 bytes (68.776 MB)

[ Generic infos ]

Play duration: 00:01:00 (60.242 s)
Container type: ASF/WMV
Creation time: 6/07/2008 08:03:57 UTC
Encrypted: No
Number of streams: 2
Type of stream nr. 1: Audio Media (0x162 (Windows Media Audio 9 Professional))
Type of stream nr. 2: Video Media (WVC1)
Audio streams: 1

[ Relevant data ]

Resolution: 1920 x 816
Width: multiple of 32
Height: multiple of 16

[ Video track ]

FourCC: WVC1
Resolution: 1920 x 816
Framerate: 25 fps
Bitrate: 10233.08 kbps

[ Audio track ]

Audio tag: 0x162 (Windows Media Audio 9 Professional)
Bitrate: 392.14 kbps
Channels: 6
Sample rate: 48000 Hz

[ Profile compliancy ]

Profile to check: MTK PAL 6000
Resolution: 1920 x 816 > 720 x 576
Framerate: Ok

This report was created by AVInaptic (18-11-2007) on 26 lug 2008, h 15:22:37

========================

once i get the wookie groomer versions, i can do a full test, and see what happens

especially bitrate wise, as i'm sure it will have to be reduced in order to fit on a dvd-9...

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just a quick update here..

i've been messing around with HD DVD encoding, and the results are very good,

i've converted three trailers from the SE trilogy over to HD DVD -> burned to DVD-5,

and it worked perfectly, surround sound and all.....(took a while to encode)..

i'm pretty sure i can encode ADYWANs sample.......

and i'm now in the process of encoding Episode IV SE -> HD DVD -> DVD-R 5 first,

and then to HD DVD -> DVR-R DL 9 next.........

i'm learning how to edit the menus, chapters, music etc...........its pretty similar

to doing the menus for DVD's............bluray menus / features have a HUGE learning curve...

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ok,

here's a short 2 minute clip of the FS -se   vs WS-se , don't watch to closely, or you'll go cross-eyed,

the fainter images are the FULL screen version, or just watch the middle part of the video...

http://rapidshare.com/files/132489031/over_seWs_vs_seFS.avi.html

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now lets overlay them, and see what happens.....at times it goes in and of the center...pans to the left, and sometimes to the right..

but they tried to jump at cut scenes, so it's not always a smooth transition..

notice how some shots almost line up...

aviscript

===============================================================

# overlay 2 clips
# resize the GOUT to the same size, and the reset position to match

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se Fullscreen\VTS_02_1.d2v").trim(8945,0)

clip2 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se\VTS_02_1se.d2v").trim(8945,0)

# add borders to match horizontal size

clip1 = clip1.addborders(280, 0, 280, 0, $000000)

# resize the second clip to match aspect ratio

clip2 = clip2.crop(0, 50,0,-50).BilinearResize(1280,480)

# alter the opacity for different effects..

Overlay(clip1, clip2, y=0, mode="blend", opacity=0.5)

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)

=======================================================================

i'll try to post a short video clip if i can....

by the way, when you clip the full screen/crop to 16x9, and watch that

widescreen, it feels like a different movie, because you're watching the action so closely...

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ok, lets correct for aspect ratio, and add borders to the full screen version of ep 4 se...

avisynth script

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# show clips in variables a,b on top of each other like this:
# a
# b

# trimmed past the crawl which didn't work properly

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se Fullscreen\VTS_02_1.d2v").trim(8945,0)

clip2 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se\VTS_02_1se.d2v").trim(8945,0)

# add borders to match horizontal size

clip1 = clip1.addborders(280, 0, 280, 0, $000000)

# resize the second clip to match aspect ratio

clip2 = clip2.crop(0, 50,0,-50).BilinearResize(1280,560)

# stack the two clips and show frame numbers

StackVertical (clip1,clip2).ReduceBy2()

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)

=====================================================

and now for the really cool part..

sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread..

but this is just too cool...

i took the full screen se version of ep4, and compared it to the widescreen (sorry i had errors ripping the crawl, couldn't compare them)..

first i did them vertically (also rescaling/resizing them to match up)..

avisynth script - ok, now you can see, that they panned around to different

parts of the frame, which weren't necessarily in the center..

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

# show clips in variables a,b on top of each other like this:
# a
# b

# trimmed past the crawl which didn't work properly

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se Fullscreen\VTS_02_1.d2v").trim(8945,0)

clip2 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4 - se\VTS_02_1se.d2v").trim(8945,0)

StackVertical (clip1,clip2).ReduceBy2()

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)

--------------------------------------------

ok, i didn't correct for aspect ratio...

next..

Janskeet said:

negative1 said:

i don't mind the fact that LUCAS changed the ghost of anakin,

in some ways it makes sense after watching the PT..........i guess

it's jarring to those (at times), if you're used to watching the

original.........i've only seen jedi once in the theaters when it

came out, and the SE once in theater also....and the original

about 4 times on laserdisc............so the impact isn't that much to me..

 

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Negative1, I think it is time for you to go to a different forum. Go to the official site forums, they would love to hear comments from people like you. First of all, instead of constantly telling us you've only seen the movies a few times, just go watch the damn things so you don't have to keep reminding us. You said you liked the CGI look of the PT and liked ROTS better than ROTJ, and now you said you don't mind that Lucas changed the ghost of Anakin to Hayden Craptensen. Get out!!!!!

yeah, but then i would be missing all the exciting, intellectual and stimulating conversation that goes one here? (did i mention friendly?)

and i wouldn't want to miss out on that would i?

seriously though, what director doesn't edit their movies? practically every movie i own has a directors cut, or unedited version, i rarely have

the theatrical, or editted for tv version...............i can't think of a single movie that isn't altered by the time it comes to video...yes, some say

'theatrical cut'............but thats exactly what it is, a version that was 'cut' for the theaters, due to editting/time constraints/budgets/etc............

why can't a director have the freedom to release what they want? do you know more than the director? are you a movie producer? why should

i trust 'YOUR' opinion more than the director of the film? ..........................................the 'theatrical' versions of star wars exist in many forms,

so why can't you ignore the 'directors cut', or 'SE' versions?

apparently, that's too much to ask for..

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INTERIOR: REBEL BLOCKADE RUNNER -- CORRIDOR

The angry Darth Vader stands amid the DVDs of 2004 versions of Star Wars.

IMPERIAL OFFICER: The new version is a good copy of the laserdisk, and it's provided as a special feature.

Vader squeezes the neck of the OT fans, who struggles in vain.

VADER: Whats the problem here? Were you too cheap to buy a laserdisc player and get the definitive THX version? You know

            they're quite cheap now.

Vader lifts the picky OT fan off his feet by his throat.

VADER: Why haven't you figured out how to use the g-force script/filters or any of the myriad fan made versions if you really want to see a higher quality version?

OT Picky fan: Because i'm too lazy to figure it for myself, and I wanted it handed to me for free, since i obviously deserve it.

VADER: You do know you can get the high definition 1080p SE versions for free anywhere on the internet?

The Dark Lord begins to squeeze the picky OT fan, creating a gruesome snapping and choking, until the fan goes limp.

VADER: Commander, tell the fans, they will NEVER be getting a version in high definition, because we could care less about Bluray/sony/or for

            any of those other annoying formats. Digital all the way!

EDIT : lucas as a force 'ghost' looks on, smiling his approval and nodding in agreement

ok,

so how are some Full screen versions made?

i know that for some, they crop the widescreen image as mentioned earlier..

are there any cases where they upscale the image? or do resizing? is that

inherent in the process? (not that i trust wikipedia)...but..

For the opening crawl in each Star Wars film, on the pan and scan versions the viewer has to wait until a line of text of the opening crawl reaches the center of the screen to read through that whole line. On the widescreen versions, each line of the opening crawl text appears in its entirety beginning at the bottom of the screen.

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i started above posting some frame data for star wars,

i have continued it in the technical area..

the complete set for the first VOB is here:

----------------------------------------------------

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/frame-data--star-wars-GOUT-NTSC-widescreen/topic/9567/

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ok,

back in the GOUT stabilization thread  (why isn't that in this forum??)

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/GOUT-image-stabilization/topic/9038/

i started posting some frame data for the first .VOB

===========

VTS_03_1.VOB

---------------------------------------------------------------------

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/GOUT-image-stabilization/post/324498/#post324498

i want to eventually tweak that script to take into account scene changes with difficult transitions.......and also

get practice gearing up for creating frame data for ESB (please tell me if someones done this already).......

i haven't been able to find this anywhere...   here's the first set, i don't know if anyone else will find this useful...

by the way, my comments are just filler statements, i started to coordinate it with the script but gave up..............

i also point out scene transitions, camera angles, and shot errors........................................................................

End Time Frame begin Frame End Last type Description

===============================================
00:00:04.505 0 108 P Blank
00:00:11.470 109 275 B fox intro
00:00:11.720 276 281 B Blank
00:00:19.561 282 469 B lucasfilm limited
00:00:21.897 470 525 B Blank
00:00:27.361 526 656 b a long time ago
00:00:29.321 657 703 p Blank
00:00:37.120 704 890 P star wars
00:01:50.736 891 2655 b star wars crawl
00:02:00.537 2656 2890 p stars
00:02:02.664 2891 2941 b planet 1
00:02:05.000 2942 2997 p planet 2
00:02:10.380 2998 3126 b horizon of large planet
00:02:14.259 3127 3219 b blockade runner
00:02:27.522 3220 3537 p giant Imperial Stardestroyer (underneath/back)
00:02:33.737 3538 3686 p imperial stardestroyer (front)
00:02:35.739 3687 3734 p blockade runner (rear hit)
00:02:40.911 3735 3858 p c3po r2d2 interior
00:02:42.829 3859 3904 b Rebel troopers rush past the robots (panning right to left)
00:02.44.665 3905 3948 p Rebel troopers rush past the robots (front)
00:02:48.126 3949 4031 p c3po r2d2 talking
00:02:49.211 4032 4057 p c3po closeup
00:02:50.962 4058 4099 p r2d2 closeup
00:02:54.716 4100 4189 p c3po closeup (2)
00:02:56.718 4190 4237 p r2d2 closeup (2) in corridor
00:02:59.388 4238 4301 p c3po and r2d2 walking down corridor
00:03:03.555 4302 4329 p Rebel troopers rush past the robots (2) front
00:03:02.849 4330 4384 p rebel troopers crouch and aim at door
00:03:04.685 4385 4428 p rebel troopers crouch (closeup)
00:03:07.145 4429 4487 p c3po we're doomed
00:03:08.522 4488 4520 p r2d2 beeps
00:03:10.857 4521 4576 p c3po they’ll be no escape for the princess this time
00:03:13.318 4577 4635 p r2d2 beeps (3)
00:03:16.571 4636 4713 p c3po whats that
00:03:18.323 4714 4755 p The nervous Rebel troopers aim their weapons (back)
00:03:20.075 4756 4797 p The nervous Rebel troopers aim their weapons (front)
00:03:27.457 4798 4974 p The Imperial craft has easily overtaken the Rebel Blockade
00:03:29.084 4975 5013 p r2d2 and c3po standing
00:03:30.460 5014 5046 p  The nervous Rebel troopers aim their weapons (front)
00:03:34.589 5047 5145 p closeup of face of rebel trooper
00:03:36.299 5147 5186 p door
00:03:37.634 5187 5218 p  The nervous Rebel troopers aim their weapons (front) 3
00:03:38.593 5219 5241 p door (2)
00:03:39.594 5242 5264 I  The nervous Rebel troopers aim their weapons (front) 4
00:03:42.389 5265 5332 p door explodes
00:03:43.014 5333 5347 p rebel trooper 1 aims gun
00:03:43.598 5348 5361 p rebel trooper 2 aims gun
00:03:44.349 5362 5379 p  The nervous Rebel troopers aim their weapons (back)
00:03:46.017 5380 5419 p door explodes 2
00:03:46.977 5420 5442 p  The nervous Rebel troopers aim their weapons (back) 2
00:03:48.687 5443 5483 p smoke filled doorway
00:03:49.521 5484 5503 p rebel trooper shoots at stormtrooper
00:03:50.439 5504 5525 b stormtroopers getting hit 1
00:03:51.565 5526 5552 p rebel trooper shoots at stormtrooper 2
00:03:53.108 5553 5589 p stormtroopers shooting 1
00:03:53.692 5590 5603 p rebel trooper shoots at stormtrooper 3
00:03:55.193 5604 5639 p stormtroopers shooting 2
00:03:56.361 5640 5667 b rebel trooper shoots at stormtrooper 4
00:03:57.863 5668 5703 p stormtroopers shooting 3
00:03:58.530 5704 5719 p rebel trooper shoots at stormtrooper 5 explosion
00:03:59.865 5720 5751 p rebel trooper shoots at stormtrooper 6
00:04:00.532 5752 5767 p rebel trooper getting shot closeup
00:04:01.908 5768 5800 p rebel troopers shooting (front)
00:04:03.660 5801 5842 p stormtroopers overrunning troops
00:04:06.037 5843 5899 b stormtroopers advancing
00:04:07.372 5900 5931 b rebel troops running away
00:04:14.796 5932 6109 b stormtroopers advancing smokey corridor
00:04:20.302 6110 6241 p troopers run past c3po and r2d2
00:04:21.178 6242 6262 p c3po and r2d2 look at stormtroopers shooting
00:04:22.429 6263 6292 p stormtroopers get hit by blast
00:04:23.054 6293 6307 p c3po and r2d2 look down corridor again
00:04:24.431 6308 6340 p rebels get hit again
00:04:29.978 6341 6473 p c3po and r2d2 walk right through laser fire without getting hit
00:04:32.606 6474 6536 p rebels running away
00:04:45.160 6537 6837 p darth vader enters spaceship
00:04:53.418 6838 7035 p closeup of darth vader
00:04:57.881 7036 7142 p r2d2 meets princess leia (hand inserts disc)
00:05:06.515 7143 7349 p c3po looks for r2d2
00:05:09.768 7350 7427 p r2d2 and princess leia
00:05:10.811 7428 7452 p c3po continues looking for r2d2
00:05:13.063 7453 7506 p princess leia leaves r2d2
00:05:14.064 7507 7530 p c3po finds r2d2
00:05:17.609 7531 7615 p r2d2 goes down the ramp (crooked)
00:05:19.486 7616 7660 p c3po and r2d2 talk again
00:05:20.779 7661 7691 p closeup of c3po
00:05:22.697 7692 7737 p closeup of r2d2 dome
00:05:24.574 7738 7782 p c3po keeps talking
00:05:27.327 7783 7848 p r2d2 takes off
00:05:30.163 7849 7916 p c3po follows r2d2
00:05:32.874 7917 7981 p leia takes off hoodie and hides in the shadows
00:05:40.173 7982 8156 p stormtroopers taking people and robots prisoner
00:05:41.967 8157 8199 p stormtroopers walking through corridor
00:05:45.053 8200 8273 p vader chokes a rebel by lifting and throwing him
00:05:47.806 8274 8339 p closeup of vader choking rebel
00:05:50.725 8340 8409 p another closeup of vader choking rebel
00:05:53.687 8410 8480 p side shot of vader choking rebel
00:05:55.564 8481 8525 p shot of rebel feet of the ground
00:05:57.774 8526 8578 p another closeup of vader choking rebel 2
00:06:00.110 8579 8634 p closeup of vader choking rebel 2
00:06:02.487 8635 8691 p another closeup of vader choking rebel 3
00:06:04.072 8692 8729 p another closeup of vader choking rebel 4
00:06:05.824 8730 8771 p vader throws dead rebel at wall
00:06:08.493 8772 8835 p closeup of vader getting mad
00:06:12.455 8836 8930 p vader talks to stormtroopers
00:06:18.336 8931 9071 p stormtroopers look for survivors
00:06:21.965 9072 9158 p leia comes out to shoot troopers
00:06:24.092 9159 9209 p troopers keep looking
00:06:24.885 9210 9228 p leia looks back at troopers
00:06:26.469 9229 9266 p troopers finally see leia
00:06:27.137 9267 9281 p leia attempts to shoot at troopers nails one
00:06:27.888 9282 9300 p trooper get hit
00:06:28.597 9301 9317 p leia tries to outrun blaster shot
00:06:29.806 9318 9346 p trooper aims large blue stun rings at leia
00:06:30.807 9347 9370 p leia cant quite dodge the stun beam and falls
00:06:33.894 9371 9444 p troopers walk forward towards leia
00:06:35.896 9445 9492 p leia on the ground
00:06:39.149 9493 9570 p back to c3po and r2d2 trying to escape
00:06:40.650 9571 9606 p closeup of r2d2 activating escape pod 1
00:06:42.027 9607 9639 p closeup of r2d2 activating escape pod 2
00:06:43.904 9640 9684 p closeup of r2d2 activating escape pod 3
00:06:45.363 9685 9719 p c3po doesn’t want to get in
00:06:46.615 9720 9749 p r2d2 gets into pod
00:06:48.366 9750 9791 p c3po really doesn’t want to get in
00:06:50.660 9792 9846 p r2d2 keeps beeping twirls dome
00:06:55.624 9847 9965 p c3po almost gets nailed by a shot
00:06:56:750 9966 9992 p blaster fire makes c3po jump
00:06:58.251 9993 10028 p r2d2 turns dome again
00:07:00.170 10029 10074 p c3po ducks head to get into pod
00:07:03.131 10075 10145 p closeup of c3po getting pod and door closing
00:07:06.143 10146 10217 p pod breaks off from spaceship
00:07:07.594 10218 10252 p outside of spaceship as pod escapes
00:07:13.141 10253 10385 p gunners hold their fire thank goodness
00:07:22.734 10386 10615 p c3po and r2d2 look out window back at ship
00:07:28.907 10616 10763 p escape pod goes down to planet
00:07:42.337 10764 11085 p leia gets marched over to meet darth vader
00:07:46.049 11086 11174 p leia getting angry
00:07:50.220 11175 11274 p darth vader asks leia questions
00:07:54.432 11275 11375 p leia still talking back
00:07:57.394 11376 11446 p darth vader looking menacing closeup
00:08:02.607 11447 11571 p leia just doesn’t give up
00:08:04.734 11572 11622 p darth vader gets tired of listening to leia
00:08:05.568 11623 11642 p leia is pretty frustrated too
00:08:11.199 11643 11777 p darth vader tells stormtroopers to take leia away
00:08:32.887 11778 12297 p darth vader walks down hallway talking strategy
00:08:34.431 12298 12334 p another officer talks to vader
00:08:37.058 12335 12397 p darth vader and the other officer listen
00:08:38.727 12398 12437 p back to the other officer again
00:08:40:812 12438 12487 p and back to darth vader and officer again
00:08:44.274 12488 12570 p both officers and vader
00:08:34.483 12571 12599 p back to the second officer
00:08:49.279 12600 12690 p back to all three again conversation finally ends
00:08:55.035 12691 12829 p shot of destroyer flying
00:09:08.381 12830 13148 p shot of c3po and r2d2 on tatooine
00:09.13.636 13149 13274 p closeup of c3po in the sand
00:09:24.731 13275 13540 p c3po and r2d2 start moving away
00:09:27.609 13541 13609 p shot of sand dune
00:09:29.569 13610 13656 p closeup of r2d2
00:09:93.821 13657 13710 p c3po looks around
00:09:35.408 13711 13796 p r2d2 takes off away from c3po
00:09:46.169 13797 14054 p c3po goes after r2d2 to convince it to go the other way
00:09:49.547 14055 14135 p closeup of c3po
00:09:51.341 14136 14178 p r2d2 goes its own way
00:10:01.684 14179 14426 p c3po kicks r2d2 and goes the other way
00:10:04.604 14427 14496 p r2d2 looks back at c3po
00:10:08.566 14497 14591 p c3po begins the long journey in the sand
00:10:15.740 14592 14763 p r2d2 does a double check on c3po
00:10:23.414 14764 14947 p c3po fades into the distance
00:10:30.421 14948 15115 p r2d2 finally takes off - vertical up screen wipe
00:10:39.222 15116 15326 p side shot of c3po walking
00:10:48.857 15327 15557 p c3po walks towards camera
00:10:58.408 15558 15786 p c3po walks past skeleton
00:11:04.664 15787 15936 p c3po looks around
00:11:06.833 15937 15988 p tiny little sandcrawler in the distance
00:11:11.880 15989 16109 p over here says c3po
00:11:13.715 16110 16153 p c3po still trying to get attention
00:11:21.931 16154 16350 p tiny c3po and skeleton and then horizontal inward screen wipe
00:11:25.602 16351 16438 p r2d2 wanders through some rocks
00:11:28.688 16439 16512 b oh look a rock
00:11:33.109 16513 16618 b r2d2 glides past more rocks
00:11:35.612 16619 16678 p a jawa looks up
00:11:39.657 16679 16775 p r2d2 keeps rolling but thinks its being watched
00:11:40.283 16776 16790 i jawa ducks
00:11:42.994 16791 16855 p r2d2 still thinks theres someone there
00:11:45.622 16856 16918 i some loose rocks fall down
00:11:49.667 16919 17015 p r2d2 cautiously keeps going
00:11:50.585 17016 17037 b jawas keep ducking
00:11:55.089 17038 17145 b r2d2 keeps on rolling still
00:11:56.591 17146 17181 b jawa playing hide and seek
00:12:00.178 17182 17267 p r2d2 seen through crack in rock
00:12:04.849 17268 17379 p r2d2 rolls towards trap
00:12:06.392 17380 17416 p more jawas peeking
00:12:09.520 17417 17491 p r2d2 rolls down incline
00:12:10.647 17492 17518 p jawas eyes looking
00:12:14.484 17519 17610 b r2d2 rolls towards camera
00:12:15.860 17611 17643 p jawa fires charge at r2d2
00:12:17.153 17644 17674 p blue sparks fly around r2d2
00:12:18.988 17675 17718 p jawas check out r2d2
00:12:20.573 17719 17756 p more blue sparks around r2d2
00:12:22.492 17757 17802 b jawas and r2d2 still with blue sparks
00:12:24.035 17803 17839 b r2d2 is stunned
00:12:26.746 17840 17904 p r2d2 falls over
00:12:27.997 17905 17934 p jawas head towards r2d2
00:12:30.416 17935 17992 b jawas head towards r2d2 and call for more
00:12:33.044 17993 18055 p jawas start running
00:12:35.171 18056 18106 i more jawas join in the fun
00:12.36.756 18107 18144 b three more jawas
00:12.39.175 18145 18202 p jawas still talking
00:12:42.804 18203 18289 i topdown view of jawas running
00:12:45.765 18290 18360 p jawas converge on r2d2
00:12:51.271 18361 18492 p more jawas come to help lift r2d2
00:12:55.900 18493 18603 i jawas carry off r2d2
00:13:00.154 18604 18705 p jawas carry r2d2 downhill
00:13:08.037 18706 18894 p jawas carry r2d2 past camera closeup
00:13:14.794 18895 19056 p jawas head towards sandcrawler
00:13:18.589 19057 19147 b jawas get closer to sandcrawler
00:13:22.969 19148 19252 p jawas get r2d2 in position
00:13:29.142 19253 19400 p jawas readjust r2d2
00:13:44.157 19401 19760 p the vacuum tube lowers
00:13:45.738 19761 19799 p the restraining bolt gets put onto r2d2
00:13:48.995 19800 19876 b r2d2 awaits its fate
00:13:50.121 19877 19903 p r2d2 goes up the vacuum
00:13:56.878 19904 20065 p jawas clear out
00:14:00.173 20066 20144 p bug eyed droid looks around
00:14:01.966 20145 20187 p r2d2 leans back on a pile of spare parts
00:14:05.261 20188 20266 p bug eyed droid looks around 2
00:14:07.347 20267 20316 p more junk droids
00:14:09.098 20317 20358 p a red r2 unit
00:14:14.228 20359 20481 p r2d2 comes back on
00:14:15.980 20482 20523 p bug eyed droid looks around
00:14.17.982 20524 20571 p r2d2 looks around
00:14:19.942 20572 20618 p red r2 unit again
00:14:21.861 20619 20664 p kenny baker inside r2d2 scene
00:14:23.696 20665 20708 p treadwell type unit looks up
00:14:25.239 20709 20745 p r2d2 looks to its left
00:14:33.373 20746 20940 p walking garbage can droid
00:14:46.928 20941 21265 p r2d2 rolls around
00:14:50.598 21266 21353 p c3po wakes up
00:14:52.058 21354 21388 p r2d2 finds c3po
00:14:53.976 21389 21434 p c3po gets up
00:15:00.525 21435 21591 p c3po and r2d2 shaken up by the sandcrawler moving
00:15:09.409 21592 21804 b sandcrawler rolls off and then clockwise screen wipe
00:15:23.381 21809 22139 b trooper on dewback and they find part of droids
00:15:30.263 22140 22304 p center expanding wipe and sandcrawler moves forward
00:15:32.515 22305 22358 p closeup of r2d2 dome
00:15:36.018 22359 22442 p c3po talking to r2d2 again
00:15:39.730 22443 22531 p r2d2 lights up
00:15:41.941 22532 22584 p jawas open door to let light in
00:15:45.653 22585 22673 p c3po still trying to figure out whats going on
00:15:48.114 22674 22732 p jawas looking for droids
00:15:51.075 22733 22803 p jawas head towards r2d2 and c3po
00:15:53.870 22804 22870 p c3po yak yak yak
00:15:56.330 22871 22929 p r2d2 answers yet again
00:15:57.748 22930 22963 p c3po turns to right
00:16:07.592 22964 23199 b jawas tell c3po to move it
00:16:10.553 23200 23270 p hands up c3po
00:16:12.138 23271 23308 p r2d2 needs to move also
00:16:18.644 23309 23464 p jawas walking down ramp
00:16:21.063 23465 23522 p spider droid moves right to left
00:16:23.024 23523 23569 p spider droid moves left to right
00:16:24.692 23570 23609 p black half domed droid
00:16:26.611 23610 23655 p r2d2 gets wheeled out
00:16:28.988 23656 23712 p c3po struts along
00:16:33.493 23713 23820 p wide shot of uncle owens place
00:16:35.453 23821 23867 p spider droid still moving
00:16:37.997 23868 23928 p black half domed droid keeps going
00:16:40.917 23929 23998 p jawa working on a robby robot
00:16:44.795 23999 24091 p all the robots moving along
00:16:50.676 24092 24232 p luke and owen come out
00:16:54.305 24233 24319 p jawa tells them to come and look
00:16:59.227 24320 24437 p luke hears aunt beru calling
00:17:00.770 24438 24474 p luke looks down at aunt beru
00:17:04.398 24475 24561 p aunt beru asks for a droid that speaks bocci
00:17:06.984 24562 24623 p luke says theres slim pickings
00:17:09.654 24624 24687 p luke goes back to check out the action
00:17:11.489 24688 24731 p jawas scuttle around
00:17:16.744 24732 24857 p long shot of luke walking back
00:17:24.585 24858 25045 p luke checks out red r2 unit
00:17:27.129 25046 25106 p uncle owen questions c3po
00:17:31.217 25107 25204 p the interview with c3po goes on
00:17:34.637 25205 25286 p more bargaining
00:17:38.140 25287 25370 p r2d2 looks around at droids
00:17:40.268 25371 25421 p uncle owen is pretty clear on what he wants
00:17:45.731 25422 25552 p c3po keeps trying to sell itself
00:17:48.192 25553 25611 p owens convinced
00:17:50.861 25612 25675 p c3po is happy
00:17:52.280 25676 25709 p owen is getting c3po
00:17:53.656 25710 25742 p jawa waving arms around
00:18:03.916 25743 25988 p owen tells luke to get c3po prepped
00:18:05.501 25989 26026 p c3po looks at luke
00:18:09.839 26027 26130 p luke tells c3po to follow
00:18:12.466 26131 26193 p r2d2 watches c3po go by
00:18:18.306 26194 26333 p luke tells other red r2 unit to follow
00:18:21.100 26334 26400 p red r2 takes off
00:18:23.144 26401 26449 p r2d2 hops around mad
00:18:25.271 26450 26500 p c3po turns around to say goodbye to r2d2
00:18:26.188 26501 26522 p r2d2 is still hopping mad
00:18:27.648 26523 26557 p jawa is about to zap r2d2
00:18:28.608 26558 26580 p closeup of r2d2 hopping
00:18:30.318 26581 26621 p jawa zaps r2d2
00:18:32.194 26622 26666 p c3po wanders off
00:18:33.654 26667 26701 p jawas closes in on r2d2
00:18:37.783 26702 26800 p red r2 blows its top
00:18:39.285 26801 26836 p uncle owen turns back to look
00:18:42.163 26837 26905 p luke explains about the bad motivator
00:18:44.624 26906 26964 p hey what kind of junk are you trying to sell
00:18:46.876 26965 27018 p r2d2 sees an opportunity
00:18:49.795 27019 27088 p c3po points out r2d2
00:18:51.130 27089 27120 p r2d2 hops around again
00:18:54.592 27121 27203 p luke asks what about that one
00:18:56.052 27204 27238 p r2d2 looks around hopefully
00:18:58.471 27239 27296 p owen agrees about r2d2
00:18:59.764 27297 27327 p jawas take away red r2
00:19:05.519 27328 27465 p c3po tells luke again good choice
00:19:07.938 27466 27523 p lucasfilm employee in the background fixing spider droid
00:19:19.659 27524 27804 p r2d2 joins luke and c3po
00:19:21.285 27805 27843 b fade to black
00:19:22.370 27844 27869 p c3po fading in

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i'll post the other parts when finished..

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i'm having issues with DVD decryptor and the SE discs, it just doesn't like them,

(i have the latest version i think)....and it starts ripping, but then dies out,

and never finishes...i end up using an older program called smartRipper which

works fine..

now after checking several of my rips.................all the star wars crawls are

completely messed up......they have several different languages interspersed,

and the sounds all messed up....everything before and after the crawl is

fine though.....................weird................ is there a way to fix that?

later

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looks pretty cool..

i haven't even begun to start testing my laserdisc captures yet...

(i have a pretty low end unit)..

but think these techniques and ideas may help salvage a decent image out of them..

later

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ok,

we couldn't use the box method, because it wasn't fine grained enough for what we wanted, so lets improve it, by using a grid:

pixel line spacing = 10 pixels

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now lets use the overlay function again

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# overlay 2 clips
# using a grid, and change opacity
# alter the opacity for different effects..

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4-gout\VTS_03_1.d2v")

subs = ImageSource("C:\data\vid\to_sort\vidcap\mpg\grid-bw.jpg").ConvertToRGB32

Overlay(clip1, subs, mode="Difference", opacity=0.4).crop(0, 100,0,-100)

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)
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also, did it for the gforce version..........and now you can watch a box, and see if the changes

within it 'shake', or watch a segment, and see how much movement there is !!!!!!!!!! quite a bit THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE FILM..

[by the way, i compared it to the SE version, and they pretty much fixed all of it there.......]

so now, we take this result, combine it with splitscreen, and finally........................................

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# show clips in variables clip1/clip2 on top of each other (grid versions)
# clip1
# clip2

clip1 = AviSource("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4-gout\grid-gout.avi")
clip2 = AviSource("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4-gout\grid-gforce.avi")

clip2 = clip2.BilinearResize(720,300)

StackVertical (clip1,clip2)

ShowFrameNumber(text_color=$ff0000)

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so, now we have a way to VISUALLY see the changes, in a much easier fashion..................

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i will post the videos shortly............................

next up, an in depth look at exactly what the gforce script does...(hopefully clearer to laymen like myself).........

later

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at this point,

i wanted to overlay the videos to see what was going on...maybe that would help....

yes it sure did!!!          there's a lot of options for overlaying, so i tried them all, and actually a few were

very cool looking..........i will actually post some video this time also, because that's the only way to really see the effect..

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basic overlaying video script

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# overlay 2 clips
# resize the GOUT to the same size, and the reset position to match
# alter the opacity for different effects..

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4-gout\VTS_03_1.d2v")

clip2 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4-gout\gout.d2v")

Overlay(clip1, clip2.BilinearResize(720,360), y=60, mode="blend", opacity=0.9)

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)

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i needed to make sure the two videos were lined up correctly.................(after correcting for aspect ratio, positioning)..

========================

check.... this will be our reference frame.................

-----------------------------------------

ok,now for some fun............subtracting one clip from the other showed pixels that have changed (the darker parts stayed the same)..

mode= Subtract

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========================

mode= exclusion , very trippy....................it looks like each object gets a nice mask around it, with weird inverted colors...

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=======================

mode = difference, this was the most useful to me...........to see that there were changes between the pixel values.......

i will post the videos shortly.............

ok, now that we know quantitatively what the image changes are, and the pixel changes.............but how can we visualize

it in another way?

later

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ok,

i'll take a step back.............i wanted to see where the jitter, and shake was coming from,

so i wanted to overlay a box over both the original video, and the gout version, and compare

those..so.............. i created a still image with a box surrounding the video, and then overlayed them..(i had to back later, and adjust contrast, etc)..

****************NOTE : IGNORE THE JPG COMPRESSION, the actual videos are much clearer ****************************

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# overlay  clip with a box

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4-gout\VTS_03_1.d2v")

subs = ImageSource("C:\data\vid\to_sort\vidcap\mpg\test01-boxbl.jpg").ConvertToRGB32

Overlay(clip1, subs, mode="Difference", opacity=0.4)

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)

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i did the same for the gforce version...

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but you know what? i still didn't see the video go outside the frame for the original?

however, there was a ton of jitter/shake WITHIN the frame.........from frame to frame

when you stepped through, in many of the shots, the static camera shots, the fx shots

everywhere...............i never realized how much SHAKE there was going on?????

so what can we do next? ......

later

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ok,

i'm not sure if anyone else there is checking this out of not,

but if you really want to start learning how to play around with avisynth, g-force

has totally opened my eyes to the power behind it/and plugins/scripting...............i used to do gui coding, image analysis,

web development............................but all that stuff seems pretty boring, compared to these, since we actually get a result

that is so fun to play with.......

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i mentioned earlier that i have tested a sample segment to see what the gforce-gout script does...well

i ran into a problem..

notice the aspect ratio of the second video? right, i forget to take that into account..

so i went back to the script..

# show clips in variables clip1/clip2 on top of each other
# clip1
# clip2

clip1 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4-gout\VTS_03_1.d2v")
clip2 = Mpeg2Source("M:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4-gout\gout.d2v")

clip2 = clip2.BilinearResize(720,360)

StackVertical (clip1,clip2).ReduceBy2()

ShowFrameNumber(offset=9, text_color=$ff0000)

and now i have something to compare...........

however, after watching closely, and blowing it up larger, i still couldn't

really see the effects............................next step...........overlaying the image...

later

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