negative1

you can download a revised verision of ANH:SE from the

newsgroup alt.bin.starwars (its 1080p)

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THE-STAR-WARS-SAGA-1080P-AVCHD-for-PS3-Blu-Ray-players-to-fit-on-a-DVD-9/topic/9536/

also look for the wookiegroomer 1080p series (SE)

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Wookiegroomers-1080p-Star-Wars-Saga/topic/8203/

almost all torrent sites have 720p, and 1080p versions

of the SE editions if you do a search , in multiple formats,

WMV, bluray, AVCHD/PS3, and AVI.... they all vary in size

from 8gigs - 16gigs..

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will said:

IMHO CGI are too intangible.  The lighting is off or something.  As for stop-motion, I find it charming.  I wouldn't dismiss a painting because I can see the brushstrokes.  The SE often suffers from too much background stuff.  Every scene what chok-a-block full of whirling droids and bumbling aliens.  At some point it stops being a living universe and starts becoming a needless distraction.  And I don't know how someone who balks at the AT-ATs in ESB because they look fake, can even stand to watch the Jabba scene in ANH:SE.

 my point was, it's ALL FAKE,

how fake you prefer it, is a matter of choice..

i prefer CG, because i've always been into computer graphics for ages..

that's why the jabba scene, and the prequels don't bother me at all.. i like looking

at all the details/objects etc..

old-school puppets/stop-motion just looks clunky and stands out like a sore thumb

to me now.... not that i can't appreciate the work that goes into it, its just not cost effective

and ineffecient use of time nowadays with better alternatives..

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yeah,

i would like to see some shots if possible also,

sounds good!

........

also, another thing i really like about this silent version

is that it solves the issue that the aliens dont always speak

english... we are seeing a translation so we can understand it..

almost all sci-fi cheats (including all the star wars series), by

just putting all the dialogue (*ok, with a few subtitles) in english

so we can follow it..

there's no easy solution.......

but i think the silent version solves that..

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skyjedi2005 said:

 The one exception would be the smash hit in 1989 for Last Crusade.  Temple of doom was a missed opportunity and a dissapointment despite being a hit in terms of gross box office receipts. 

 i'm curious as to why you think 'last crusade' was a 'smash hit'..

it barely made more than 'temple of doom' (ok $20mil) .. (and yes it was #2 that year,

behind 'batman')....it did well, but not that well compared to the rest of the

movies in the series..

1 Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Par. $317,023,851 4,264
2 Raiders of the Lost Ark Par. $209,562,121
3 Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Par. $197,171,806
4 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Par. $179,870,271 

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=indianajones.htm

temple of doom was also 3rd for the year it came out also..behind

'beverly hills cop' #1, and 'ghostbusters' #2..

of course 'raiders of the lost ark' was #1 for 1981, beating out

'on golden pond' #2, and 'superman 2" #3 for that year..

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g-force said:

negative1 said:

yes, i had to use some deinterlacing here and there in the final version, but it still looks good to me

 hmm, that doesn't sound right... I don't understand what would need deinterlacing.

negative1 said:

now i'll work on upscaling to 720p and 1080p with the solo21 script, and some more modifications..

hmm, that would add a lot of "lossy" and redundant steps. That's a lot of resizes and potential motion-compensation errors for something that that already doesn't even have enough detail for DVD quality.

-G

 

about the interlacing, it probably came from the original VOB's?

and about the resizing, you're probably right..

it's better to combine your script, and the resizing all in one step, but i'm not sure

how much of a difference it will make in the end by doing it separately..

well anyways, i'm still working on it..

i have found a pretty good uprez script that i will tweak

(called SD2HD, and HD2SD).. mentioned here:

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http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1210858#post1210858

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just wanted to bump this thread up..

(yes, this brings the number of LFL's blu-rays up to 2 - including clone wars,

and not including all the different versions)..

i just couldn't find this thread using search,

it took me forever..

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Vaderisnothayden said:

skyjedi2005 said:

The indiana jones special editions trilogy when released will have bad and fakely added cgi and walkie talkies instead of guns.

Um, I take it you're joking and there's no special edition? Or is there?

 

not yet,

but they're starting to slowly alter the original series..

see this post (picture):

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/State-of-the-Trilogy-annual-SW-depression/post/318144/#post318144

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TheBoost said:

Ziz said:

Well, in order to restore the Sandstorm scene, it has to be made available TO restore.  All we have of it right now are still shots and a small MOV of 2 or 3 seconds of the characters walking towards the Falcon.  Nothing substantial.

 

 Yeah, but cant we take those, link them together with CGI, steal some dialoge from the redundant scene with Han on the radio to Luke, rescore it with AcidMusic and make it work?

(optimistic sarcasm... ... unless someone could actually do that :) )

 or get some people to re-enact the scenes,

and film those..  you never know what people will try it, if motivated..

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Spudz777 said:

 

Yeah, ~$100 isn't much in the long run, but I'm a PhD student, married, with a 2 year-old. That's groceries for a couple of weeks. There's still the talent thing to overcome, as well.

don't worry, i'm sure when you're ready,

you'll find the time/money/inclination..

the talent part, well.. there's plenty of people here that will help you out,

just check out the technical section some time..... it's not too hard, when

people can step you through the process..

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iRantanplan said:

A week of encoding, omg. What kind of maschine do you have?

 dual core 2, 1.8 GHZ, with 2 gigs of RAM.... (windows XP)..

but i was also running a ton of other stuff at the same time,

like converting mkv->avi, virtualdub scripts, bittorrent, etc, etc..

i didn't want to use up all my processer time with just this, it put it at 50% normal priority.

i'm sure i could have sped it up, but i still needed to do other stuff on this computer..

here's a partial log of the encode of the 1st of 7 VOB files:

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              -----------------------------------------
              | HCenc - MPEG2 encoder - rel. 0.23.0.0 |
              -----------------------------------------

MPEG profile@level:    MP@ML
input:                 o:\data\movie\dvd\star wars ep 4-gout\gout309.avs
output:                C:\data\vid\movies\gout\gout.m2v

              --------------------
              | encoder settings |
              --------------------

profile:               NORMAL
frames:                0 - 34834
framerate:             29.970
aspect ratio:          4:3
bitrate Kb/s:          2000
max. bitrate Kb/s:     8000
pulldown:              no
closed gops:           no
VBV check:             yes
scene change det.:     yes
interlaced:            auto, TFF
goplen,B-pic:          AUTO
dc_precision:          9
scan method:           auto
bias:                  0
chapter frames:        0
time code:             0  0  0  0
CPU:                   SSSE3
priority:              idle
SMP active:            yes
matrix:                MPEG
luminance gain:        no
adaptive quantization: yes, strength 1

              ------------------
              |  source stats  |
              ------------------

nr. of frames in source:         34835
width*height:                    720x480
fps:                             29.970
nr. of frames to encode:         34835
frames to encode:                0 - 34834

              ---------------------
              | encoding - pass 1 |
              ---------------------

pass 1 encoding time:            8:18:52 (29932.19 s)
fps:                             1.2

              ---------------------
              | encoding - pass 2 |
              ---------------------

pass 2 encoding time:            8:17:00 (29819.90 s)
fps:                             1.2

              ------------------
              | encoding stats |
              ------------------

nr. of gops:          2508
nr. of frames:        34835
nr. of I-frames:      2508
nr. of P-frames:      9641
nr. of B-frames:      22686
average bitrate:      2000
minimum bitrate:      148
maximum bitrate:      7999

bytes in bitstream:   290751811
bits in bitstream:    2326014488

average Quantizer:    6.913

total CPU time:       18:10:21 (65421.08 s)

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yeah,

i'd be interested in any information also..

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Spudz777 said:

Man, I wish I were rich enough to afford LD players and LD copies of Star Wars. Of course, then I'd also have to be talented enough to properly set up the captures and post=process them...

 check out ebay,

i got a decent player for very cheap US$50, and the discs are even cheaper

(unless you're getting the japanese boxed sets).. even the definitive sets in CAV

can be gotten for under $20 if you look properly..

you can get even better players, by spending a little bit more..

the price is not the problem, its the weight, as shipping will be a large

part of the cost..

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Chewy72 said:

The problem is that CGI just looks fake in the movies today, for me IMO.  I agree that stop motion models is very time consuming, and probably more costly, but that is the reason the OOT movies hold up so well years later, is they still look real.  I look at the golden years for action/scifi movies of the late 70's/early 80's and these movies just hold up so much better then most movies today. 

 

well, when CG is used correctly, it doesn't look 'fake' to me... besides, the problem is most of

the objects aren't real to begin with in the first place (spaceships, aliens, etc)... so how can

we know what looks 'fake'.. it's subjective mostly..

i don't THINK the special effects hold up that well at all, especially the stuff done in the 70's

and 80's, because now we're much more prone to analyze it, and see all the defects and problems..

(ie..look at fanedits, the SE, etc).....          

ALL special effects can take someone out of a movie...look at the landspeeder effects of the

original vs now.. the tauntan, the AT-AT's walking, etc.... all look jerky, and you can tell they

don't have the smooth motion that can be created now.. .even the spaceships look 'stiff'

and limited in their movements..

they've got a ways to go in creating a reasonable balance in between models, and CG,

but it's more of a taste of artistry than technical ability.... given enough time, and rendering,

with the right artwork, you can see the difference..... it just comes down to us believing it..

I always use the analogy of how Jaws was made, and if it was made today, it wouldn't be as good.  Spielberg simply couldn't get the shark to work, so he doesn't even show him in the first hour, which turns out to be genius because the music really messes with the viewer and finally the shark shows up on screen.  The movie has great characters who really drive the story, and I believe if Jaws was made in 2008, it would be a CGI-fest movie with the shark being the star of the movie, and they would probably have George Clooney or some dopey actor as the Roy Scheider character.

i don't know if you've seen 'deep blue sea', but of course they used CG sharks in that movie,

and it wasn't half bad.. of course the plot was basically just a sub-jaws-alien-jurassic park type, so it

was predicatable..

jaws copied a lot of movie traits (ie. the thing, any movie with a creature stalking people),

and of course alien copied it.... so i don't think i'll give credit to speilberg for being creative

for the pacing of the plot.......................i do give him credit for putting it all together though..

the problem with remaking those types of movie today, is that most people would be

too impatient to wait for it (ie. the monster in cloverfield).....and hence wouldn't care as much

for that kind of story anyways..... what would be the point? people have already been exposed

to it way too many times to be intrigued by that plot gimmick.....

those days are long gone..(kinda sad though)..

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doubleofive said:

Johnny Ringo said:

How the hell is GG still in command come ROTS? - All he has done is lose ships, troops, and power weapons. I know the seperatists are all being played by Palpy but it would be nice to see him as a competent opponent from time to time.

I actually started laughing when he abandoned ship for like the third episode in a row.  "Screw you guys, I'm leaving!"

well, we haven't seen too many battles yet, but the other thing that i've noticed about

shows with war plots, is you usually dont' see the dark/evil side win too often..

i've just started watching the 'v' series (the tv show/miniseries) , and although the

aliens are winning overall , they pretty much get outsmarted / beaten in every episode

i've seen.

also, shows like battlestar galactica, terminator, and older ones like m*a*s*h, hogans heros, and pretty much every other war related show,

the bad guys always have had an overall advantage, but you don't see them showing that a lot..

i think people would get tired / bored if the bad guys won every time, or even most of the time.

sure, there's a balance to that, that they could find..

but in the case of clone wars, since the empire/dark side has such a huge advantage,

what would be the point of showing it over and over again?

even grievous had to get to his point of power by winning a lot of battles/wars/fights and

outsmarting the enemy.... i'm sure there will some episodes upcoming that will show that.

we'll just have to see how it goes...

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cool, thanx rev,

looking forward to watching it..

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ok, you can watch it in english now..(look around)

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nice little episode about r2d2,

looks like a 2 parter..

that's always been one of my favorite characters...

interesting seeing how the assasin droids are....

and of course a lot more grievous (another favorite of mine)..

will be interesting to see how this storyline goes..

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looks good,

i'll play around with it..

should this thread be moved to the Technical area?

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speaking of special effects..

i watched the special effects of empire....(on laserdisc, and part of the

editdroid 4 disc special..

first they talk a lot about stop frame animation.. that is ridiculously time

consuming... something like spending a few hours a day just to get a few seconds

worth of footage..

they also showed a lot of how the models were used in the blue screen process,

again, several hours a day just to get a few minutes of footage.

i appreciate the artistry and the craftsmenship they had back then, but it seems

WRONG to destroy those beautiful models by exploding them just for a few shots..

i'm sorry, but after imaging all the time it took back then, and then seeing the results

(which were decent for the time)... there's NO WAY they should ever go back to that,

now that they have the digital resources to do it in a lot better fashion, and much

more convincingly...

granted its easy to go overboard, and if done wrong , it will still look fake...

i wonder if they had redone the battle at hoth with CGI, how much better it would

have looked, compared to the jerky stop motion, and the same with the stop-frame

tauntaun.... it would have looked much better now...

anyways, go back and watch the 'making of star wars'.. i like mark hamills commentary..

also in the 'empire' one, he does a pretty good 'yoda'...and ominously he ends by saying

that the special effects should not take the place of good storytelling, characters and plot..

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C3PX said:

negative1 said:

also there was a tv series 'beyond westworld' that came out,

and i've never seen it..(would love to find a copy of it though)...

Huh, I had no idea there was a TV show. That would be very interesting to see.

if you're looking for the series, its on tv-vault (.org) ... a torrent site..

also, check out youtube, and do a search for clips to get an idea of what its like.

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ReverendBeastly said:

I'll post a rip of it on The TV-Vault. It's been floating around for years.

 thanks for that..

i'll keep an eye out for it..

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in case you missed it,

adywan mentioned in the ESB:R thread that he got a nice review for this in an article , here:

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http://www.meridianstar.com/backstagepass/local_story_310230238.html?keyword=secondarystory

some interesting comments about the future of his edits..

good job!

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ok,

i just got the first one...it looks pretty good, but i already have all these

documentaries for the first 3 discs on the japanese laserdiscs versions..

i know they were released in english without the subtitles,...

wouldn't those have been the same quality???

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ok,

i dont' have cnn, but i thought this was pretty funny:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daD3mktcS-w

 and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0g363Xh1SY

they used some type of hologram (not sure how it was done?),

in their coverage of the US election..

looks pretty cool.. i don't think they played the star wars music,

but the lady reporter said she felt like 'princess leia'.....ha ha..

she should have said, 'help me obi-wan kenobi, your our only hope!'

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Erikstormtrooper said:

I wouldn't say all of us hate everything post-83. But the common denominator here is the OT. As I've said in the past, Star Wars is a big place with lots of different types of fans, so it can be hard to find the exact niche you're looking for.

Have you been over to http://galacticsenate.com/? They're not as hardcore about the OT as we are here, and they seem pretty mature.

 

thanks for the link..

looks like a cool board....

but i do think there's just a much hardcore talk there also just by looking at the topic

titles..  maybe not as much bashing/flaming though..

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