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#337463
Topic
Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo... barf
Time
rcb said:

i believe anakin was twenty, while padme was twenty four.

i think george was trying to go back to like a romeo and juliet or some type of shakespear in the movie. if you've read the novel for episode I, anakin says he's one day gonna marry padme. what the hell is that? that is the corniest line for a ten year old and i'm glad it wasn't in the movie.

 

you're worried about 1 line from the novelization? how about these from the original 'star wars'

novelization:

======================================================

Differences from the film
  • C-3PO is described as bronze, not gold.
  • The prologue quotes from the Journal of the Whills, and implies that Emperor Palpatine is merely a figurehead controlled by the Imperial bureaucracy. A brief description is given of the transition from Republic to Empire, when Palpatine became President, not Chancellor.
  • During the battle aboard the Tantive IV, the stormtroopers dropped through the ceiling, rather than charging through an entryway.
  • When Leia Organa is captured, she kills two stormtroopers, instead of only one in the film. The first stormtrooper shot also doesn't finish his sentence. Upon sighting the Princess the stormtroopers says, "Here she is. Set for stun forc--" and is shot.
  • Luke is introduced right after the battle aboard the Tantive IV after seeing the battle through his binoculars. The section also introduces Luke's friends: Camie, Fixer, Deak, Windy and Biggs (although this was filmed for the movie it was later cut in post-production).
  • Luke is derogatorily referred to as "Wormie" by some of his friends
  • Droids are often referred to as robots throughout the novelization. The term "droids" is implied to be a slang term for the word robots.
  • General Cassio Tagge is described as "one of the youngest" officers in the room during the conference scene. Also, Admiral Conan Antonio Motti is referred to as "Romodi," who has deeply entrenched facial scars.
  • Luke's landspeeder has an enclosed cockpit unlike the open cockpit seen in the film. Also the landspeeder is piloted by C-3PO during the search for R2-D2 instead of Luke.
  • Ben Kenobi's hut is a cave rather than a hut. The differences between Luke's father and his uncle is described more deeply than in the film.
  • Luke gets much more emotional when Wedge tells him that Biggs was killed, it tells us that Luke's eyes began to water: "'We're a couple of shooting stars Biggs' he whispered huskily, 'and we'll never be stopped.'"
  • In the publisher's summary it says that Luke is twenty years old, yet he was born in 19 BBY and the film (and book) takes place in 0 BBY, he must be 19 (to see how this works go here). The Empire came into power in the year zero in the Imperial Calendar, and this would add a year to Luke's age. So twenty is an accurate assessment. It should be noted of course that the novel was published long before the scripts for Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, and Revenge of the Sith were written, which would create the mythology that Luke and Leia were the twin children of Darth Vader, and establish them as being born 19 years prior. In the novel for Empire Strikes Back which takes place three years later, it is stated that Luke is 23.
  • When Greedo confronts Han in the cantina, he is speaking through an electronic translator. The infamous scene that follows is left very vague in the novel, it only says that "light and noise filled the little corner of the cantina," it never says who shot first. It should be noted of course that the idea of Greedo being shot without himself firing was already present in the 1976 versions of the script, contemporary with the novel.
  • When the gang dives in the garbage chute, Han dives in before Luke does. Whereas in the film, Leia goes first, then Chewie, Luke goes next, than Han.
  • Darth Vader is referred to as a "Sith Lord" and other Sith Lords before him are briefly mentioned though not in detail (the Emperor is never implied to have Force abilities at all as he later would have in Empire Strikes Back).
  • Ben Kenobi mentions in passing how lightsabers used to enjoy widespread use in the galaxy, and are still used in some areas (there's a bit of controversy over the original spelling as well, since the first publication spelled it "lightsabre" according to British spelling). The saber is said to have jewels on the hilt.
  • Kenobi cuts a smaller alien in half as well as hacking off the arm of another in the cantina, in defense of Luke. Instead of just two bullies (Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazan), there were three in the novel (those two, plus the aforementioned alien).
  • Jabba is referred to as "Jabba the Hut" (note the one "t") and described as if he is a fat, bipedal being (rather than the familiar slug monster he would later become in Return of the Jedi) with an ugly, "shaggy skull" and "jowels" that shook with his head. His scars are said to be a sign of his ferocious reputation in combat. This differs from the many interpretations of Jabba over the years, prior to Return of the Jedi (in early test footage with a large actor in fur, a familiar alien in a flight suit in Marvel Comics, the large headed razor toothed monster in early sketches, or a slavering creature with "eyes on stalks" in the scripts). When Jabba says "for an extra 20 percent", Han Solo doesn't say "15 Jabba, don't push it."
  • Chewbacca is described as having yellow eyes.
  • At the novel's end, Leia does give Chewbacca a medal, but she has to strain to do so.

 

there's a lot more differences in the book, there always are..

you might not like them, but i think 1 line would hardly make a difference for ep 1..

 

later

-1

Post
#337444
Topic
<strong>The Clone Wars</strong> (2008 animated tv series) - a general discussion thread
Time

well , it was a fun episode with jar jar..

 

yes, there was a couple of times where people kept

thinking he got killed off (which is probably the ONLY

reason why they watched this episode)..

 

but anyways, it was a nice break from all the serious

stuff....

 

amidala ROCKED though!!!!!!

 

after this, they'll go back to more dramatic stories..

 

later

-1

Post
#337205
Topic
How do you see the PT?
Time

i really enjoy all of the PT,

the first was Ok, the second was much better, and the third was excellent..

i have phantom menace on laserdisc , way before it came out on dvd....

 

i've watched the prequels many many more times than the originals,

because there is so much cool stuff, and things going on that you can

keep watching them over and over and not get tired of them..

 

i really like all the special effects, the CG, and atmosphere in them..

to me they totally outshine the original trilogy as a whole (but none

of them are individually better than the original star wars).

 

i'm not that hardcore a fan, so i don't mind the midichlorians, and all

the other changes that are in it... heck, i don't even mind jar-jar from

a technical viewpoint because basically = c3po (which i never did like)..

 

the saber battles are a huge improvement, the fight scenes are more epic,

and the gravity and drama in the third were thrilling to watch, and cool to

see how they link everything together...

 

the PT, right after the SE has made me come back to all the star wars  movies,

and become a huge fan again.... yes, i read the novels, comic books, etc..

but as good as those were.. nothing can match seeing a movie on screen

bring about the ideas that Lucas had for star wars as a whole, and its great

that he's continuing on with the clone wars also..

 

this is one of the best thing that happened to star wars, in bringing it back

to the masses, and making it popular again, or else it would have died out

to the few that are faithful to only the originals.. and stuck in the past wishing we never had anything new or cool to look forward to..

 

later

-1

Post
#337106
Topic
We should sue George Lucas.
Time
C3PX said:
adywan said:

Do you really think that the few added changed that were done for the SE is what made Star Wars popular again? Are you sure you lived on this planet in 1997?

 

 

From what I have gathered from -1 comments, he sort of did live on a different planet from you and I, figuratively speaking. He mentioned seeing it as a kid and loving it, then forgetting about it until only recently rediscovering it. I believe his rediscover was post 1997. So he is only looking back on the "historical facts" with box office numbers (which totally do not work that way, with the increased prominence of the cinema from 1977 till present, as well as changes in marketing, when SW was released, the type of licensing and marketing they did with it was pretty much unheard of, today just about everything gets that kind of treatment, the way people way people watch movies and buy related items has changed significantly), comparing box office numbers from the various dates just does tell us much, even while adjusting for inflation, because not only has the value of the currency changed, but so have the culture and the market.

I don't think -1 experienced the 1997 period as we did. He saw it through the eyes of an outsider who didn't care about Star Wars, and so that is the veil through which he sees it all. Since to him Star Wars died out over that time, he sees it having died out for everyone.

 

 

thanks CP3X, yes, you are correct, i did make some assumptions on viewing the movie,

and during the timeframes you have mentioned...

 

 

Perhaps you did not experience this -1, because you had no interest in these things at that time. You look back and see that sometime around 1997 Star Wars took off again, and assume it must have been the SE.

 

 

again you are correct..

i'm sorry if i seemed repetitive, and argumentive... but if knowing my background

helps you understand my viewpoints, then i concede in offering any more observations

at this point...

 

well done, and i bow to your deductive reasoning..

thanks for the discussions and cordial behaviour... and not being dismissive

without trying to understand my viewpoint..

 

i wish more discussions on this board were like this..

 

later

-1

 

Post
#337099
Topic
Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo... barf
Time

Han Solo: Look, Your Worshipfulness, let's get one thing straight. I take orders from just one person: me.
Princess Leia: It's a wonder you're still alive.
[Pushing past Chewbacca]
Princess Leia: Will someone get this big walking carpet out of my way?
Han Solo: No reward is worth this.

    • Wonderful girl. Either I'm going to kill her or I'm beginning to like her."
    • "Look, Your Worshipfulness, let's get one thing straight. I take orders from just one person: me."
    • Han Solo: "Not a bad bit of rescuing, huh? You know, sometimes I amaze even myself."
    • Princess Leia: "That doesn't sound too hard."

 

 

yeah, likes that so much better..

 

 

it was all cheesy even in the originals.

 

later

-1

Post
#337020
Topic
We should sue George Lucas.
Time
Chewy72 said:
negative1 said:

 

but the SE versions put Star Wars back on the Map amongst consumers for

good, and the interest has never waned once since that point in time..

 

later

-1

 

 

Trust me, Lucas could have put out the OOT in 1997 and just said, "The Star Wars Trilogy" is on the big screen one more time, and I guarantee it would have done the same business.

Now lets see how the movies did in theaters in 1997:

Star Wars: 136 million

ESB: 57 million

ROTJ: 45 million

Supposedly ESB is the most beloved by all the diehard SW fans, as that is constantly talked about as the best of the 3 movies. Why did Star Wars take in more then ESB/ROTJ combined? Because that is the most appealing of the 3 to a general audience, and that is the movie that started it all. It had nothing to do with spruced up effects, or new added scenes, it simply was the #1 movie until ET, being put on the big screen again, and everyone wanted to see it.

 

i doubt you could 'guarantee' that re-releasing the movies, they would have the same or more

than the SE versions.... LETS look at HISTORICAL FACT, and not speculate:

======================================

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=starwars.htm

 

here are the amounts   (gross)   theaters amount opening dates

for the original releases...

=================================================

11     Star Wars (Re-issue)
(Re-release)     Fox     $15,476,285     1,070     $3,766,803     1,070     8/13/82

12     The Empire Strikes Back (Re-issue)
(Re-release)     Fox     $13,276,241     1,006     $3,949,478     992     11/19/82

13     Return of the Jedi (Re-issue)
(Re-release)     Fox     $11,252,123     894     $3,209,056     849     3/29/85

 

Star Wars was still HUGE at that point in time, and you're telling me that

they would have made more than the SE versions more than a decade later???????????

 

re-releasing the originals would have been a drop in the bucket, thats why

Lucas was smart in releasing the SE versions to CREATE interest in seeing them again..

 

once again, nobody seems to acknowlege what a Great idea it was,

or that it was a great test and showcase for the leap in technology that

was to come with the prequels..

 

look, i know people are all ticked off that they can't get the originals restored in normal

above average quality (duh!)..... but isn't the point of this board to move way beyond

just complaining about it constantly, and actually do something like what adywan has

done?

 

give the myriads of options (fixing it yourself, fanedits, restorations, g-force GOUT script etc)....

it would be a lot more constructive to act on it, instead of endless complaining, and hoping

that somehow miraculously lucas/lucasfilm/fox will get it into their thick skulls that it needs

to be 'fixed' and re-issued yet again....

 

yes, lucas made a bad artistic idea to some,

yes lucas ticked off a lot of hardcore fans, i know...

but monetarily, and fanbase-wise, he did the right thing

in creating the SE/the prequels/and the clone wars...

no amount of griping/moaning/complaining will ever change that or history

(barring time travel back, and convincing him NOT to do it)..

 

later

-1

 

Post
#336977
Topic
We should sue George Lucas.
Time
Baronlando said:

Come on. Heir to the Empire was the number ONE bestselling book in 1991, the 1995 vhs tapes/lasers were HUGE, plus all the 90s-era toys and comics and games that did big business long before the 1997 rerelease.

it would be nice to quantify what you mean by 'big business', if you want to

be more persuasive....

 

i'm sure some of the franchise (books/videos/toys) did do well, but nothing compared

to the SE versions of the movies, and prequels -> several hundred million dollars.... *(note, that the re-released versions of the movies made very little money when they came out in theater.... ie: the non-SE versions)...*

 

think about this.... let's say the SE versions never came out, and the prequels were

cancelled ....

 

think the Star Wars marketing/goods would be going as strong as it is now? i doubt it..

it's making more now than the originals made combined (check out the stats

at http://www.boxofficemojo.com -> franchises)....

 

Star Wars had some mindshare before 1997..

 

but the SE versions put Star Wars back on the Map amongst consumers for

good, and the interest has never waned once since that point in time..

 

later

-1

 

Post
#336975
Topic
We should sue George Lucas.
Time
C3PX said:

as for why people revisit things they've done,

why not, it worked in a financial way, and brought

a huge new audience back to the theater that paved

the way for the huge success of the prequels..

It wasn't that the SEs paved the way for the prequels. People had been eagerly awaiting the prequels long before the idea of the SEs were announced. The theatrical rerelease of the original trilogy in 1997 would have been a success regardless of changes. In fact, the TV commercials advertised it as if it were a well loved movie revisiting theaters to be seen on the big screen once again after being confined to tiny television sets for so many years. Why would the ads make the asumption that peopel would be interested in seeing this tired old film on the big screen once again? I knew a lot of people who went to see the films in theaters again and were surprised to see the changes, so obviously they didn't go because of the changes. The changes didn't have to happen, and I even thought they were kind of cool, until we were denied the originals for the sake of the SEs.

 

well you make some good points,

but the SE versions WERE a great idea to try out things that were used later on,

especially from a technology point of view... the use of CG, and compositing were

very good ideas to try out, so WHY NOT try them out with the originals?

besides, most people don't retroactively criticize something after the point,

like we're doing now... you said it yourself, most people didn't mind the changes

then, but only now they don't seem to be needed..

Also the "the changes brought in more dough" argument holds no water in regards to the fresh batch of changes made for the 2004 DVDs, why more changes then? Everybody was eagerly waiting for a DVD release pretty much since the invention of the DVD player, a lot of people didn't care what version they were, they just wanted Star Wars, and a lot of others DIDN'T buy them specifically because they had changes. Even if they had been the 1997s SE I would have been quicker to by them. In fact, I remember I set money aside to go out and buy them the day they were released even though I knew they were only the special editions and not the originals, I was still excited about them. It was when I heard the rumors that they were completely changed once again, including things like Anakin's face and Gungans that I immediately changed my mind about perchasing them. After hearing about how many errors were made in coloring and audio, I realized I made the right choice.

Don't you think a decent quality release should have been a better grab for the hesitant consumer than "oh goody, more changes!"? Can't believe some of you people still defend this crap with such zeal.

well, i don't know the answer to that, because HISTORY has proven the SE releases

were a HUGE success, i don't have hard numbers, but i guess we could do some

research to see how well the new limited editions of star wars (with the originals)

sold compared to the SE versions without them.....

my guess is the limited versions didn't sell as much....

 

does anyone know? it would be interesting to compare the sales numbers...to

get an idea..

 

 

 

i doubt that if he just restored the films, and released them

without any changes, there would barely have been any interest..

or maybe not as much..

 

later

-1

Ah, so that is why there is not a single old movie released on DVD without severe and drastic changes being made to it. Now I get it. I think you are right, I do not think I would have bought that copy of Citizen Kane on DVD had the CG changes no been made to it, effectively changing Rosebud from the name of the sled to the name of a UFO he found crash landed in his backyard as a child. That change vastly improved the film.

Kind of ignorant for someone to come around and say one of the top selling trilogy of movies of all time would have barely had any interest in them had it not been for a bunch of meaningless changes. Complete and utter ignorance...

 

 

i was actually referring to rereleasing a restored version of the movies in JUST the THEATER,

compared to releasing the SE versions,..... but in the case of most movies with special

effects, sure , why not change things if you have the intent/power to do so (ie. star trek,

blade runner, etc, etc)......

 

and i stand by my speculation that there would have hardly been any interest in just

watching or buying only the original trilogy by itself, compared to the gimmick of using

the changes made for the SE versions to bring the trilogy up-to-date visually with what

Lucas originally envisioned...

 

HISTORY has proven that the SE's were a brilliant marketing ploy that succeded on

all financial levels... hard to argue against that.. (but we can try, right?)..

 

later

-1

Post
#336972
Topic
We should sue George Lucas.
Time
Chewy72 said:
negative1 said:

 

i doubt that if he just restored the films, and released them

without any changes, there would barely have been any interest..

or maybe not as much..

 

later

-1

 

Are you telling me that if Lucas never released the SE in 1997, a whole generation of fans would have missed the boat on what was great about the OT?

 

i'm not telling you anything..

i'm speculating that the renewed interest in the Star Wars trilogy is DUE to the fact

the SE versions came out with great success in revitalizing the interest that had almost

completely died out before that.... are you saying all star wars fans kept up their

interest until 1997?????????????????????????????????? if so, why, when there was

nothing new to look forward to..

 

 

I don't think you understand what the world 'classics' mean when it comes to a movie sense. Classics live on years and years later, as new generations fall in love with them. The Wizard of Oz was all weekened on TBS/TNT, as it has been since I was growing up, and my nephews and friends kids all love the movie. Did they need to update that movie for it to find a new audience?

The OT would have been just as beloved whether it were released in 1997 or not. Sure it was a great marketing tool to get people talking about SW again, but trust me, kids would have found the movies on.....Home video......Cable TV......and now DVD.

how many people would have gone to see a 'restored' version of the movie in the theater,

it would have been an even more limited run, and maybe just an arthouse showing, who

knows? it was already out on VHS/CED/LASERDISC, so its not like it wasn't available..

 

and how many people would have bought it just on DVD, if they hadn't seen it in the theaters?

we won't know will we... but apparently there was a HUGE demand after it was shown (SE

versions) in the theaters.... good marketing of course...

 

I think you need to re-read your original statement, "Without any changes, there would have barely have been any interest." Sorry, but that is as moronic as a statement that I have read on any SW boards, as idiots from TFN say stupid s*** like that.

Or maybe youre a troll, and you've done your job by getting me to respond.....

 

i'll bite....    yeah, sure there would have been the tiny amount of hardcore fans

here, and maybe from the star wars sites... but that's about it.....

what do you think, if miraculously Lucas decides to allow the GOUT, or OOT to be

shown in the theaters again... how many records at the box office would they break?

 

absolutely none.......................

 

now show the same movies again in 3-D and at least you can renew the interest

again, and maybe NOT set a box office record, but introduce yet ANOTHER GENERATION

of fans to the movies..

 

it's all about marketing, and not about art.....sad to say..

 

later

-1

 

Post
#336958
Topic
Windows 7
Time

by the way,

of course DX11 will be on its way, and probably be around by

the time windows 7 comes out...

 

so all this talk about porting back support will probably be

a moot point at that time..

 

i don't do low-level device programming, but i have worked

in the pc graphics industry, and the only way they can continue

to profit, is to work with the hardware vendors on continous

upgrades for both..

 

so you're always going to be forced to get new hardware

to support the new features, and write new software to

support them......

 

yeah, you can stay a few generations behind, but then

most new games won't work....

 

I HATE XP'S SUPPORT FOR OLDER GAMES>...... i have a ton of

games that ONLY WORK in windows 95 with the WinG library,

and games that ONLY WORK with windows 98, and most of

them NEVER worked properly or at all using the compatibilty

settings on XP..or running in the Command window..

yeah, i know dosBOX works great for stuff now, and there

are other emulators, but i found it easier just to use an older

computer, and older graphic card with a dual boot windows95/98..

 

XP's support for graphics and games was TERRIBLE until at least

service pack 2 came out.. SP3 isn't much of an improvement..

yeah, so i'm now stuck with new games THAT only work with VISTA,

so my new computer dual-boots XP/VISTA when i want to run games

on that... most newer games work better with VISTA and terrible with

XP....even with the same graphics card... i have an NVIDA 8600 w/256Meg RAM,

and the effects/framerates are better in VISTA for most of the games i've played

(arcade simulation / racing / lego star wars / virtua tennis 3 / etc etc )...

 

i'll NEVER go back to XP for games, unless i'm forced too..

 

later

-1

Post
#336957
Topic
We should sue George Lucas.
Time

if, and when someone re-makes, or re-visualizes star wars..

 

i can only image the complaints and protests that people will

have against it..

 

i doubt Lucas would allow it.

 

but it would be interesting to me, to see someone redo the

original trilogy in a different style, with different people , etc..

 

as for why people revisit things they've done,

why not, it worked in a financial way, and brought

a huge new audience back to the theater that paved

the way for the huge success of the prequels..

 

i doubt that if he just restored the films, and released them

without any changes, there would barely have been any interest..

or maybe not as much..

 

later

-1

Post
#336912
Topic
GOUT image stabilization - Released
Time
resonator said:

I'd do it myself, but I'm booked up for work for weeks, but anyway, just to throw in the idea - As for motion smear, there are a lot of unchanged shots that could be taken directly of the 2004 SE DVDs. How about writing a script to color-correct and replace most of those shots? Anybody who has the GOUT on Disc 2 has the SE on Disc 1 as well. That could easily be a team effort directly here on the board.

 

i think there would problems in matching up the shots...there are a lot of them.

i started to try marking all the scene changes in episode 4, but there so many...

 

also the color correction is very difficult, so i would have a hard time seeing

a combined effort that didn't look very smooth in its transitions etc..

 

not saying it can't be done, but it would be very very hard, i think..

 

later

-1

Post
#336714
Topic
STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
Time
Josh said:

If only it were so easy bewy.

 

whats the point of this thread then?

 

if you can't talk about things you want changed, or fixed,

what would you prefer? just tell everyone to look at this

thread: (which is buried 3 pages back)...

---------------------------------------------------------------

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Adywans-ESB-edit-Suggestion-Terminal/topic/9477/

 

or this one:

------------------

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/topic/8826/

 

i like ALL the arguments / discussions / etc... it's very entertaining...

it's nice to get away from the technical only stuff once in awhile..

 

if adywan locked this thread, and said he didn't want to hear any more

suggestions, and said that when its done, its done.. and you don't

get any more updates, clips, or have any idea what changes went on..

 

would you prefer that instead?????????

 

ok, now get back to arguing about green lasers, blue tie fighters, etc...

 

or if you have some better ideas, why dont' people bring up something

that HASN'T BEEN TALKED about already, and then maybe the older

discussions you find so boring would go away..

 

later

-1

 

Post
#336710
Topic
Possible Star Wars Holiday Special screening in NYC!
Time
digitalfreaknyc said:
negative1 said:

why does this mean they have a master?

 

can't they just pull out an old copy of it?

 

You clearly don't know anything about the Paley Center or what it stands for.

 

ok, i checked out the website, pretty interesting...

i'm near to new york, so i'd check it out if the holiday special won..

 

but it still doesn't mean they have a master copy... i can't find that

information..

 

later

-1

Post
#336708
Topic
Wookie Groomer's 1080p Star Wars Saga project (Released)
Time
Asteroid-Man said:

Hold up, so I can stream them from my 360!? Like without downloading? NICE! How do I do that? (Sorry, I just got my 360)

 

you're going to need a pretty good wireless connection.

go to this site, and download the program:

---------

http://www.tversity.com/

 

READ ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS IN SETTING IT UP FIRST!!!!!!!

 

later

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