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Scruffy said:

negative1 said:

and who was the original 'star wars' trilogy aimed at?

I don't know who it was aimed at, but what I've read about its initial reception indicates that it was popular with teenagers and young adults in addition to the kids, and it even did okay by the critics. ANH and Empire have since become two of the most highly-lauded films of all time. Clone Wars has no traction whatsoever amongst adults, was panned by critics, and will never even approach the level of respect given to the OT.

i guess, my thought was, it too was aimed at children ... because judging from the marketing

perspective, that's what sold the movie to the studio, and other investors, in looking at the

long term profits... granted (answering your latter question), yes i'm sure a young george

lucas might have put art before business, but realized one had to go with the other..

also, why are we leaving out the prequels? they were aimed at the same teen/young adult audience,

also.........and i hardly think that based on the subject matter they were strictly for kids... yes

clone wars appeals to kids, no doubt about that, but the tv show has shown a much wider

range and appeal.....if you're only looking at the movie, then yes i agree with you..

as far as artistic merit goes, only 'star wars' has cemented itself in the history books,

i don't think empire or jedi will ever get that recognition (and rightfully so)....as they

really don't measure up to the original, and will always be in its shadow as for as

originality and impact... when you say 'star wars', everyone knows what it means,

what it stands for, etc......... empire and jedi will NEVER have that impact or recognition

outside of science fiction fans...

 

Conclusion: The Original Trilogy was aimed at general audiences, and Clone Wars was aimed at kids and die-hards. If the CW generation is the standard-bearer for SW fandom now, it truly is a different body than the OT fandom that appeared 30 years ago. It is a body grown not from wide and enduring appeal, but from a targeted attempt to capture a very specific demographic.

you're again, neglecting the HUGE impact of the SE versions, and the prequels, as there are

now a large audience of fans that have grown up with those versions, that differenciate themselves

from the OT fans... and why not? they'll grow up following the clone wars, the live action show,

and whatever else comes with.....they'll have more books/comics/videos to discuss and continue

the star wars storylines, long after ALL the OT fans have died out........ seriously, i doubt i'll be

talking/discussing/posting on this board  when i'm in my 60's/70's or older (no offense to any

older fans)..... life is to short to be stuck in the past discussing a 30 year old trilogy, when there

is plenty of newer related material going on...... yes, i agree the demographics might be different,

but that doesn't mean that one would be considered 'better' or more 'worthwhile' than the other..

 

Edit: Found this on Wiki: "It was targeted to a specific audience for specific reasons. We accomplished that mission, and it will continue in another medium." Was ANH "targeted to a specific audience for specific reasons," or did Lucas just want to make a great film?

only he would know..... but he did establish some trends, and although science fiction was around

a lot longer before it came out, star wars did establish some pop-culture credibility, and some crossover appeal, that those movies did not have before..

(much like 'raider's brought a lot of new fans to the serial-action genre back)..

interesting points, and good questions along with discussion,

keep it up!!!!

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[FIRST OFF* sorry to derail this thread about blu-ray,

to storage devices, but bear with me, it is somewhat relevant*]

maybe i'm overdoing it (as usual)...

but i'm caught in a terrible space crunch..

for awhile....hard drive sizes were big enough 20gigs, 40 gigs, 80/120/200 etc

to keep up with storing all my vcd/mpg/ and real audio files......

heck, i used to have a removable 1 gig drive, that i used to put all my graphics on, etc.

(in the late 90's).. i never had my own high speed internet access until earlier this year,

when i gave in.. up until that point it was all dial up, so i could only download so many

gig's of mp3 and the occasional video..... even then, with a cheap cd-burner, and cheap

writable cd's, i managed to only have a few hundred of them to manage, so it didn't get

out of hand...

jump to earlier this year, now with broadband, bittorrent, newsgroups access, i know

i've download a few TERABYTES in the last few months (yes, it actually is unlimited access),

so at first, i bought a 320gig drive, which filled up in a week, and then i bought a second

one, which filled up the next week, and then i bought 2 500gig drives, which filled up

2 weeks later...so that wasn't working out......(mostly movies/tv shows/my own ripped

cds and dvds)....

i 'only' have a 400 gig drive in my computer (which crashed recently), and bought a

replacement recently, which is also full now........................... in the meantime, i've had

a dvd-rom burner, and i buy the 50 pack Single Layer DVD spindles every week, and back up stuff to those,...

so now i have several 50 pack spindles filled up with stuff also !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(maybe 800 x 4.7 gigs total)..... i bought a HD DVD drive, and have about 30 or 40 movies

on their, and have been backing them up to DVD DL also...................so anyways, my point

is, i don't really know what to do.... the BD Burners can burn 25/50 gigs to a disc... but

the price point isn't that great..

1 DVD-R single layer is about US$0. 20 or so... ($10 for 50 pack) [so .20/ 4.7 gigs]

1 DVD-DL dual layer is about US $1.20 or about 6X the cost of a single layer (i'm sure it could be cheaper)............ or [1.20/9 gigs]

Hard disk prices are falling and are about $100 per Terabyte or [$0.10 per gig]

I don't know if I can trust hard drives, or set up a Network Storage Array or what is better..

My final thought is, now I've starting getting HD rips (tv shows/movies etc)....and they

take UP HUGE amounts of space, and most don't even fit on a DVD DL (ie wookiegroomer

versions of star wars)................so i'm really at a loss on where to go...

A blu-ray burner again is overpriced, along with the blanks, although i trust optical

media a little bit more now......................................................................................

i don't think we'll seen 100gig optical or higher any time soon, and wouldn't it be

risky having that much data on one disk? i know the blu ray writable come with

a special surface to protect them , but still...........................................................

i don't know, maybe holographic storage is our only hope?

right now, i'm in the nightmarish position of trying to figure out how to organize

several terabytes of data, and be able to find something without digging through

hundreds of discs................

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Baronlando said:

It feels like The Clone Wars audience is becoming the "base", I guess. It's sort of a "hit" by kids/cable/cartoon/not-Hannah Montana standards. (Way to aim high.)

and who was the original 'star wars' trilogy aimed at?

i don't know of too many 'adult's that still talk about it.

mostly kids that saw it and grew up with it..(i was 10 when i saw 'star wars')..

what's your point?,

nothings changed.

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blu ray is a mess:

----------------------------

-3 different profiles of players..

-some players don't support DVD's,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Blu-ray_Disc_devices

-backwards compatibility is not compulsory.

-region coding...

- and of course the crazy DRM schemes (which have been broken), but

still backing them up is a complete pain..

i might give in and by a dual blu-ray/HD DVD drive just to be able to

play the inevitable movies that will be blu-ray ONLY..... just like i

need a laserdisc for movies ONLY in that format, or a DVD player

for DVD only movies..... it's just one more unnecessary piece of

hardware being pushed out there..

granted going digital only has its drawbacks also, especially concerning

disk space, but with 1T drives dropping, the problem is having a fast

connection to 'get' the files, or 'backup' your physical discs.. of course

hard disk failure is always going to be an issue too..

unfortunately unless YET ANOTHER FUTURE FORMAT comes out, with people

looking ahead to address these problems with HD content, we're just going

to go through this cycle yet again with something else (hopefully NOT BLU-RAY 2,3 etc)

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never,

i still like, and watch all 3 of them..

i like the revenge of the sith the best...

in fact, i've watched all the prequels a lot more than the originals,

even though i've seen the originals in the theater when they came out..

i don't watch movies over and over, because i think that it just makes

the enjoyment of them decrease over time (in some cases)....

also, it's just a matter of working out when to watch them..

it's been easier with the prequels and DVD's, because i never owned a VHS player, or CED

until now to watch the originals... i owned a laserdisc player, and watched the original on that a few

times..

the issue is that there are so many different versions of the originals,

in so many formats, it's taking a long time to watch them, and all the fanedits, etc..

with the prequels being more current, i'd rather watch them and see all the effects etc,

the story doesn't grip me as much as the originals..

the story in the 'star wars' is the best... i didn't like 'empire strikes back', and 'return of the jedi'

was ok.... as far as the prequels go, i can't say any of them sucked, and i don't mind all the

changes they made, or all the different versions..

anything that keeps the star wars story going is good in my opinion,

especially with the clone wars, etc...

if it wasn't for those, you would only have a few people stuck in the past,

talking about things long gone, and never have anything to look forward

to....

with star wars, more is better.. at least to me..

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this is wierd..

downloaded the repacked versions..

got all the parts, as *.PART001.RAR etc..

but now when i try to unrar them i get an error...

can't unrar file..

so i then renamed them to .001 etc .165 and

tried to join them , and it still didn't work..

not sure what to try now..

i used the PAR checker, and the files are all ok..

any ideas?

never mind, i screwed up, somehow the file names were

mixed up, it works now..

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take your time to get it right..

no one should be rushing...

we can wait for a better version..

good luck!!!!

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Spudz777 said:

While I'm grateful for the offer (truly I am), I don't find usenet difficult, confusing, or intimidating in any way. I find it annoying. I have the same problem with usenet as I would have with trying to pull something of this magnitude from Rapidshare. I wind up with dozens or hundreds of files (this latest AVCHD post has, what, 179 parts from binsearch?) that form basically a single archive which I then have to extract, essentially doubling the space required. With a torrent, I start the torrent, walk away, and when I check back, I have the iso. No repairing of files, no waiting for a 7+ GB file extraction, just burn the image. Seeding doesn't bother me, I tend to leave stuff seeding for long periods of time. In fact, I'm still seeding Adywan's first AVCHD release (which I originally downloaded from usenet). The simple fact is, I don't like usenet. I've tried it, gave it a fair shot, and don't like it.

 

Again, I'm grateful for the offer of help, but as stated earlier, it's not an issue with difficulty. Usenet is a last resort for me on this one. I'll take -1's advice and wait for a bit...

i would be the last person to defend newsgroups, or all the hassle...

but the thing is.....yes, you will need double the disk space, but unless you have a

very small harddrive, an extra 9 or 10 gigs shouldn't kill you (even temporarily)..

and also, there is an option in some of those newsgroup programs, where it unrars

it for you to an .ISO (i don't know if it checks the par file first, but it could).....

so again, it could be pretty automated..

and about the waiting time for all this stuff,

unless you have a slow computer, the time it

takes to do all this and burn it, you should still be

able to use your computer for other things, so it's

not totally tied up...(at least for me)... once again

you're going to have to burn the iso anyways, so whats

the harm in watiing a little bit longer for the other stuff?

i'm not trying to change your mind... but i just wanted to point out a few things,

in case others are wondering the same thing...

yes, this is a last resort, but since my computers on 24/7, and i don't have any download

limits, i don't mind using it..

also, about rapidshare, if you have a premium account, you can automate downloading

from that too, with their own program, or an opensource program called jdownloader

which gets all the files, checks them, and unrars them for you, so it's not painfull at

all.. in fact i prefer that to torrents, because i can max out my speed connection that

way...

to each their own..

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Spudz777 said:

Well, I tried the newsgroup thing a while back when Adywan released the first AVCHD, and wasn't too impressed. Can we get a torrent of this going? Preferably an iso image like last time...

yeah, i don't care for newsgroups either,

but sometimes you have to just resort to using it, when you

have no choice..

for me it takes awhile, but the end result will be great.

if you wait awhile it'll show up eventually....

i won't be around to seed it this time, but i'm sure if you keep

checking it will be there.

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Crygor64 said:

Moth3r said:

Building Empire: Miami Film Festival edition is currently being posted. Please be patient, it may take a while.

 

Where I can find out more about this edition.

Also, is this disc NTSC? Just curious.

Many thanks.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/BUILDING-EMPIRE-PAL-NTSC-DVD/post/313125/#post313125

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Chewy72 said:

negative1 said:

i don't like the mcquarrie images, because they clash with the movies..

 

 

 Really???  What images are you talking about???  The Empire of Dreams Documentary shows loads of images and they are pretty much the same as the movie.  I remember seeing Cloud City, and they matched up to it 100%.

 

i was only referring to 'star wars'

sorry, i should have made that clearer.

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skyjedi2005 said:

This article pretty much proves my point:

 

http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/specials/how-the-grinch-stole-star-wars.php

 

 terribly over-wordy, long-drawn out article.

but it's good for this laugh..

“[Fox said], ‘we should celebrate the fact that we’ve been here for twenty years.’ I said, ‘If you’re going to put that much money into reissuing the movie, I want to get it right this time.’ ” Lucas’ main idea was to expand the Mos Eisley space-port sequence and restore a deleted scene with Jabba the Hutt. “The initial scope of it involved just two dozen shots,” ILM animator Tom Kennedy says. FX wiz Dennis Muren then suggested that the release offered the opportunity to correct a list of fifteen to twenty shots that had always bothered him. “I suggested to George that we expand the vision and he was open to it,” Muren says. “Motion issues, particularly in the space battle scenes, were my concerns. Then Tom Kennedy and the others contributed their own ideas for redoing shots.”

so Lucas didn't even want to originally put in those scenes that people complain about.

IT WAS SUGGESTED by Dennis Muren.. and followed by tom kennedy..

gee, why don't we all focus hate on him instead..

no, because that would actually make sense..

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"a skyjedi2005 without bashing lucas would just not exist" - George Lucas*

*not really

SilverWook said:

Thanks for finding that. It really underscores the reason the film that started it all needs some TLC. :)

actually, credit goes to : http://www.digg.com

once in awhile, there's something cool there.

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i'm better off using my outside pinnacle image capture

device, and plugging that into the vcr..

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i don't like the mcquarrie images, because they clash with the movies..

now if someone reimaged star wars in an animated style like that,

it might be ok..

i didn't care for the 'samarai jack' look of the clone wars..

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Shinji Ikari 1991 said:

First off do you need a supercomputer do do the editing and software?

no

And where do you get sfx post editing maretail ex no sfx imprinted and music.

 you make it from existing material, or create your own

 

I was also planning, if  I hace the capablity to do flashhback seqencing.Unless no one did it already

 check out the technical forum.

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/Requests-How-Tos-and-Technical-Discussions/forum/12/

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skyjedi2005 said:

Does it have how George Lucas destroyed Star Wars with the special editions and prequels, or how he ruined Indiana Jones with Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?

no, because that wasn't the point, and you know that..

and also, not everybody thought they were ruined..

 

Lucas did not change the world all he did was change the size of his money bin.

without lucas, a lot of those innovations, and people wouldn't be around doing what they did.

that's pretty easy to see...

 

Does it mention how in 2006 he released the original films as non anamorphic bonus discs from a laserdisc master, the biggest joke in cinematic history.

why should it, they were innovative, creative, and proved a good testing ground for what he

wanted to do..

 

That the only star wars film to ever flop was 2008 Clone Wars?

who says?, it made money, started a new animated franchise, and will lead to the continuation

of the 'star wars' story, unlike the original trilogy.

 

I cannot even believe they are Giving Him Credit for Pixar. Look at how crap the clone wars animation is in comparison to Wall-E.

wall-e might have looked good, but not great...and the story was just terrible to me.. so what's

your point again? the link to pixar is real..it should be there..

 

I am glad Lasseter looks to great people like hayao miyazaki for inspiration and not george lucas.

to each their own..

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" A skyjedi2005 post with bashing lucas is a pretty normal thing" - George Lucas*

*not really

ooops...

i guess i started a little early..

will wait for the repack... no problem..

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darnit,

you have to buy PAL separately from NTSC..

my folks had a multiformat PAL/SECAM/NTSC deck before that

i played around with..

now i have a free vcr that i found that is only ntsc...

i have bought the ion USB turntable, its pretty good..

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very cool image:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/0/05/How_StarWars_Changed_the_World.jpg

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thanx for the info c3px,

i will definitely check it out...

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no reviews?

anyone?

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another bonus!

higher bitrate!!!!

can it get any better?????

wow..

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get those internet connections ready!!!!

we're almost ready to go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

great job, ady,

and happy holidays!!!

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wow!!   great news..

can't wait until its ready!!!!!!!!!!

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