negative1

ok, with all this talk about blurays,

its time to bring back these ultimate versions, ha!

i have a friend with a good working ced player

and capture card..

hope it works out!

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The Aluminum Falcon said:

Fascinating that ESB reels still get out. Of course, a telecine would be amazing and the best version ever, but, as said by others, it is easier said than done. Anyone here thinking of seriously picking up those ESB reels for sale now?

take a guess!

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Gary Sebben said:

He does have the other two reels. It's idiotic that it's in two separate auctions that end at the same time. What will anyone do with a single reel and no time to bid on the other two?

not a problem. that's how i got 1 set of star wars. 1 reel at a time.

just use a sniping program.

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SilverWook said:

Why do these people always break up the damned reels?

And where the heck do all those odd reels of Episode III keep coming from? I see them on Ebay practically once a month!

security reasons i guess.

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red5-626 said:

 

 

reel 2

 

 

 

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Episode-V-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-35mm-reel-2-only-/250897119799?pt=US_Film&hash=item3a6aa23a37  

reel 3

 

 

 

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Episode-V-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-35mm-reel-3-only-/250897124892?pt=US_Film&hash=item3a6aa24e1c  

 

 

awesome, thanks.. don't know why i didn't check before...

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cboy007 said:

Here's a listing on Ebay for 35mm Empire Strikes Back. The description says Fuji film stock and faded so probably wouldn't help much.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/250897114747?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

yeah, i already contacted them about it,

and if they have other reels.. we'll see..

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related thread here:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/topic/5853/

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captainsolo said:

16mm of the SE? I didn't think any were made. Then again, there were supposedly some 70mm engagements in 97 so who knows.

yeah, i mentioned star wars SE was shown in 70mm

in oslo:

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/post/330884/#TopicPost330884

the print was destroyed afterwards..

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http://www.in70mm.com/newsletter/1996/47/spektrum/index.htm

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yeah, looks really good.

the video actually seems to be 1920x1088.

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i'm hoping thorr works it out.

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Thorrs-35-mm-Star-Wars-Trilogy-SE-Trailer-Ultra-HD-Restoration/topic/13086/

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maybe it's already happening... hmmmmm

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

!?!?!?

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I haven't found any updates in the credits yet.

(c) 2011

new names, etc.

mostly i see the 1997 ones.

maybe i'm not looking hard enough..

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ok, he's back.

all sorted out now. he was

away for a few weeks.

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just checking back..

still no sign..

hope you're ok!

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Just trying to contact zombie84,

and let him know to contact me.

I've tried PM's, but maybe they're not working.

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yeah i like the xbox mentioned earlier,

heres more info and an updated pic.

xbox 360 with the star wars theme:

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http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2011/07/microsoft-launching-star-wars-xbox-bundle-this-holiday/1

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*feel free to move post to other related thread*

yeah, prints turn up every so often

at 35mm collectors forums.. i've seen

them turn up but didn't get them yet..

they aren't that expensive either..

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Loconut said:

My end at this moment sucks, haha. I'll figure it out somehow. As I said, I'm craving and stubborn.

 just go to the links directly, and you should be fine.

i tried jdownloader, and had the same issue. (files showing

up offline) even though the files were there.. 

so finally watched this version..

good job harmy..  i only have a 32" inch widescreen, and

it looks prety decent, although a lot of it is dimmer than what

i expected... all the SD shots stood out though...

i guess i've watched the SE version a lot more so the

original scenes stand out quite a bit (i've only seen the unaltered

version a few times)...  maybe once the bluray's come out, it can

be improved.  until we get a restored version from other sources..

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CP3S said:

Negative 1 is still around? WHOA!!!

yup, popped in due to the 35mm transfer experiments, check out that

thread, and if you want the samples, pm me..

negative1 said:

as an experiment, if we take some of the raw 1080p ESB test transfers, and give them to 10 different people, we'll end up with 10 different takes on the restoration of it.. i can provide a short sample of 1-2 minutes, and see what you come up with...

I think that is only when you muddle the term "restoration". If you've paid attention to the last few pages, Chainsaw, Zombie, Gaffer, Harmy, myself, and others I am forgetting (sorry guys), all have pretty much the exact same idea in mind of what restoration actually is. Our goal, as the goal of any true restoration ought to be to bring it as close to the original as possible. It has always been that way, that is what restoration is. Maybe we would have slightly different variation on what we think would need to be done, if you gave a project to ten of us to do on our own, sure, our results would all probably look slightly different.

 

if that were the case, why am i having a hard time in trusting/convincing

people about who should work on it, and how?  isn't it better to appoint

one trusted person to do what they think is right, and go with that?

sure, the basic goal is the same, and yeah, any one of the capable guys

might be able to do a quick 'raw' color-corrected version, but i think a

properly 'restored' work, is easily years worth of time/dedication and effort,

and i don't know if i could ask someone to make that sacrifice unless  

they've proven they could do it in the past.. still, i think we will definitely

have some interesting times ahead in the next few years..

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Warbler said:

why do you hate the blu ray format?

i'm against it for a couple of personal reasons..

1) i'm moving away from physical formats, in favor of disk files

2) sony (and other companies) pushing yet another format, that who

knows how long it will be around, and being stuck with yet another format

3) need an easier format to work with (blu-ray files are a pain) compared

to other convertible ones

if they know enough to dig deeper.   The point is, they shouldn't have to.   Lucas shouldn't be trying to erase them for existence in the first place.

only people that bother watching documentaries and maybe are old 

enough to remember the originals will really care. other people will just

watch the movie once in awhile, and not really notice or care. what the

motivation for Lucas is won't really change the existence of these.

somehow I think a professional studio would be able to do a better job at restoring them than amateur fans.  

you would think that, but look at what 'professionals' have done so far..

not very technically inspiring, and thats what led us to this in the first place.

besides, there are plenty of 'professionals' on this board that are

volunteering their time and efforts for free, to do this. i looked for 2 years 

for a commercial place to help transfer the 35mm prints i have, and only

because of this board have i found contacts to get them done without 

having to pay at all... i think we're in good hands here..

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Harmy said:

I wouldn't have anything against such tastefully upgraded version, if the original existed as well.

The problem with such a thing is that it is impossible to say what is within the boundaries of tasteful as it depends on personal opinion. Some people would consider only recomposited FX to be a tasteful update, some would consider the windows in cloud city to be a perfectly tasteful update. Some would even like to see the CGI fighters in the battle of Yavin. And there are even those who think that Rontos and Dewbacks and CGI droids are perfectly adequate and tasteful additions.

Simply put, there could be a million different enhanced editions and for each of them you'd find someone who would think it's tasteful and respectful. But there is only one true original and that is the STAR WARS that people saw in 1977 on opening day, it's that simple.

 this is exactly what i was thinking..

no matter what you come out with, someone's not going to be happy..

as an experiment, if we take some of the raw 1080p ESB test transfers, and give them to 10 different people, we'll end up with 10 different takes on the restoration of it.. i can provide a short sample of 1-2 minutes, and see what you come up with...

yeah, i actually enjoy watching puggos 8/16mm transfers with the minimal cleanup (or even dust/dirt/noise)... but that's me... if someone wants to go back and 'clean-up' those to pristine images.. ok, i'll take that too.. but do i have a preference as to which one would be more faithful? no...

anyways, once we have the raw HD transfer data for the trilogy,  (similar to  the situation with access to the GOUT DVD), there will be some different versions to choose from i'm sure.. the issue is that will be people be willing to take the time (years) to do the work needed to clean them up, or will people be happy with a quick job that allows them to watch it sooner. disk space/time and computer software constraints are becoming the issue now.. along with the debate on how it should be done.

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S_Matt said:

... that the blu ray sets coming out in September will sell by the million, further validating Lucas's revisionist versions and giving an entire new generation of Star Wars fans the wrong impression of the films?

I find it rather sad.

 no, not really..

i'll be buying the whole blu-ray box set day 1, (although i hate the format, and don't own a bluray player).. i'll just rip the stuff i want to watch, and not play the discs again..

as far as a new generation getting a 'wrong' impression... if they really cared, and were real fans, they would dig deeper, and eventually realize that these aren't the original versions..

that would probably lead them to this site, where they would find a lot of fan restorations, and versions.. so they would enjoy those instead possibly...

if they really don't care, then it's their loss...

i laugh at the whole situation, because the power of restoration is back in the hands of the fans... and since we will eventually have full 1080p HD restorations, and possibly better coming out in the next few years (2k/4k), why worry about it? if lucasfilm changes there stance, and wants to see what happens, more power to them.. if not.. we have to take the situation into our own hands, and work with the prints and data we have now..

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generalfrevious said:

Wow. He has really perverted intellectual property to destroy film. I want the OOT NOW and not 50 years from now when it enters public domain. I think many people think the same way I do in that the OOT deserves better than this, and I am f*cking angry that GL is twisting the first amendment to destroy a film that should be seen by the public and not a bonus feature. This is why I feel so pissed. The OOT is rotting frame by frame and we cannot stop the destruction.

 is there documented evidence (besides the occasional report), that all

the original prints have been destroyed?

unless someone actually goes into the 'mythical' lucasfilm archives and

tells us there aren't any prints there....i wouldn't know..

also, don't you ever check the presevation forum?

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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/forum.cfm/Star-Wars-Preservations-and-Other-Fan-Projects/forum/17/

there's plenty of efforts there going on... including scans of

the original reels in 1080p and possibly 2k/4k ... who knows

if/when a restoration will show up.. but it's being looked into

and worked on (eventually)..

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asterisk8 said:

generalfrevious said:

The thing I most hate about him is his stubbornness in refusing to release the OOT (no the GOUT really doesn't count) on modern video format.

zombie's post actually settles the question in my mind as to why GL didn't release the OOT and never will. It's not just that modern digital effects allowed him to realize visuals he couldn't achieve in the 70s and 80s. I suspect Lucas felt that the OOT is not 100% his and he privately hated that. The special editions were a way of satisfying his own need to have the final say – which, as creator he's entitled to have, for better or worse.

 for me...

i think there were WAY more releases of the OOT than the special editions..

if you go back, there were VHS, CED, and laserdiscs of every possible

permutation of the OT.... pan and scan, widescreen, THX etc..

i would never complain about their being a lack of versions  being available

of it...

although i never owned a VHS deck (until about a year ago), and  have

had the definitive laserdisc versions for several years  (japanese, US,

boxsets etc).. so i've been happy with those, the few times i've watched

them, along with the DVD versions..

i don't blame lucas at all, because the hold up on newer restored versions

is more due to personal/legal issues, than just financial and philosophical

issues..

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well, i should be getting both my prints back in a week or two.

(currently they're sitting in a vault)..

and then we'll REALLY know what we are up against.. sure

ESB was just a test.. but we'll find out if the real thing will

work out (or not)... here's hoping!

no, i didn't want to post this on april fools..

todays my birthday, so this is more like a gift when

it gets done!

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