XyZ said:
negative1 said:
Sluggo said:
I thought I posted these before, but I don't see those around. Anyways, I'm bumping the thread to get some action on the font scene again.i like this font..
could use it for an upcoming project.
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What project ?...
... Snack Bars ?
mmm... chocolate bars..
oh sorry..
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Sluggo said:
I thought I posted these before, but I don't see those around. Anyways, I'm bumping the thread to get some action on the font scene again.
i like this font..
could use it for an upcoming project.
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DavidBrennan said:
Somewhat along these lines....does anybody know what the font is (or a good approximation of it) for the 'Return of the Jedi' text in the original ROTJ logo?
most of the discussion for fonts is here:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/SW-fonts/topic/2151/page/5/
someone said maybe Times new roman?
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TServo2049 said:
I will say that the framing of the Technicolor screening Mike Verta attended seems to have been about 10%.
If you could provide a full-size frame of this shot, I could figure out how much the Senator screening was cropped compared to the full film frame:
thanks, those comparisons look great.
yeah, i'll have to get to that shot and then post it..
don't have it yet.
i mostly have the first several minutes of the movie,
and the long sequence from the trash compactor on.
if you have a comparative frame from those, we can
look at those.
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msycamore said:
The Lucasfilm logo is slightly different in each film as well. That's the beauty of old fashioned handiwork.
are you sure about that?
they match up almost exactly for star wars
and the empire strikes back.
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empire is in the background - with the full frame
star wars is in the front - cropped and overlaid to stand out
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TServo2049 said:
negative1 said:
TServo2049 said:
That cropping chart is not correct. You stretched a 16:9 TV overscan chart out to 2.35:1.
i agree it might be off.
but we are comparing the gout DVD, which is for TV
and home releases right?
regardless, its a guide for the cropping, and it matches
up pretty well for the amounts most of the time.
The GOUT was letterboxed for 4:3 TVs. Old widescreen transfers followed different rules - they weren't concerned with TV overscan because there was so much black space on the top and bottom.
Sometimes, old widescreen masters were cropped more so the image wouldn't suffer on smaller TVs. Sometimes it was just on the left and right (I know of old laserdiscs of 2.35:1 films that are 2.20:1 or even 2.10:1), other times it was all four sides (also known as "zoomboxing").
That image is not a guide for 2.35:1 cropping. The safe zone boxes are not the right width. It is a guide for 16:9 films on 16:9 TVs - notice that it has a separate line for 2.39:1 letterbox.
And actually, the example images you just posted are about 2.20:1 - shouldn't they be wider?
I'm just kind of confused. I thought that we were comparing the GOUT cropping to the the amount of cropping that would happen in movie theaters - that's why I went to all the trouble of making that chart I just posted.
hmm... so if this is correct, then maybe it wasn't cropped
properly or it was cropped differently than the laserdisc masters?
now i'm really confused.. i don't know what standard they used
in the GOUT for cropping decisions..
as far as aspect ratio goes :
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2:35 : 1 -> should be the final aspect ratio AFTER cropping
since the full frame is never shown..
in my prior screenshots i did not alter
the GOUT images, so they approximately
have a 2.25 : 1 aspect ratio. i then altered
the 35mm frame to match it as well as possible.
maybe this whole process is going to be off..
because no one has ever compared the uncropped picture
to a cropped DVD image... so i'm not really sure which
standards and ratios apply..
i'll post some different comparisons then.
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the other thing is, in the end, even if the aspect
ratios are off..
the actual percentages, and the actual GOUT image
is PROPORTIONALLY always going to look the same
when superimposed. no matter how you stretch it
out, it's still going to cover the same area over the
original frame. and that proportion falls into the 5%-15% range.
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more from the 8mm
scene 10/18
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scene 11/18
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scene 12/18
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TServo2049 said:
It's just the YouTube sample.
exactly.
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TServo2049 said:
That cropping chart is not correct. You stretched a 16:9 TV overscan chart out to 2.35:1.
i agree it might be off.
but we are comparing the gout DVD, which is for TV
and home releases right?
regardless, its a guide for the cropping, and it matches
up pretty well for the amounts most of the time.
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Darth Mallwalker said:
I admire your dedication, but your method is flawed.
If you consider each VOB file separately, you'll omit some frames.
Looks like you're missing three frames in this case.negative1 said:
00:19:19.659 27524 27804 p r2d2 joins luke and c3po
00:19:21.285 27805 27843 b fade to black
00:19:22.370 27844 27869 p c3po fading inYou've got 281 + 39 + 26 + 92 = 438 framesnegative1 said:
00:00:03.795 0 91 p c3po fading in (start vob2 - part 2/2) total 29758
00:00:15.056 92 361 p luke in repair room
On the other hand, if you concatenate the VOB files first
or if you use DGIndex, then you'll get:
27524 --> 27836 r2d2 joins luke and c3po
27837 --> 27964 c3po fading in
27965 --> luke in repair room
27965 - 27524 = 441 so you've missed 3 frames
that's actually a really good point..
i thought about combining them all into 1 VOB file first.
but i didn't think it would make a difference..
obviously it does..
maybe what i'll do is go through each VOB first
like i'm doing now.. it takes a few hours to make
these notes..
then afterwards, i'll do what you did and just update
the frame counts at the end...
i'm using an excel spreadsheet so i can adjust all
the frame numbers...
the other thing, is that some of the scenes are
judgement calls as to when they fade out, and
start again.. the abrupt scene cuts are pretty easy..
finally, this is just a GUIDE when i have to mess with
syncing sound, and other frames with the actual reels.
thanks for pointing out the discrepancies...
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here is a comparison of a few things..
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1) background - 35mm
2) foreground (with a dark border) - gout
3) standard VIDEO cropping - 5% - 10%
i picked a scene that was from a
red reel, so the colors are not
accurate at all for the background..
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i created an avisynth script to resize,
align, and overlay all the elements into
a video, and then extracted sample frames here..
the gout frames match up pretty closely to the 5%
standard cropping:
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reference start frame
more from the 8mm
scene 7/18
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scene 8/18
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scene 9/18
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here are frames from the prints scanned:
don't worry too much about the colors,
sharpness etc.. it's just some test pictures..
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first star wars:
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link to the 1080p version:
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http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6900/swalta005541080p.jpg
and the same screen from empire strikes back:
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link to the 720p version:
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http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4439/esbalta00533720p.jpg
they match up when you overlay them (empire has the blue layer)
to show it, and the star wars is letterboxed..
before matching the aspect ratio
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after fixing the aspect ratio
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penguinofgreatness said:
jacksbrain, are the new files up yet? If so I would like a pm. Oh, and negative1, only the video version of this set is on myspleen. Not the audio version.
oops. you're right. i thought it was the same,
and you could just extract the audio...
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and some desert shots:
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some more shots from reel 1:
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here's some more shots overlaid with the
'safe' cropping parameters.. which is
reasonable..
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FrederikOlsen said:
True, it does, but I'd take that level of grain over DNR any day.
As far as I can tell, you're also right about the level of grain in the first desert shots, but I'll leave any image posting to negative1.
well, if you check the color timing thread,
i'm sure you'll see all kinds of neat things!
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/topic/9805/
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SilverWook said:
I have received word that the item was won by one of our allies. I'm not at liberty to disclose any details at this time, so please don't ask.
Getting the gear to do a proper transfer will be the next hurdle.
can you say whether it is the
mono soundtrack?
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none said:
negative1 wrote:
Thanks for these. Have been wanting to ask for awhile, but felt a like a nudge, so held off until an opportunity arose. They look great and fill out the chart where past preservations lacked. The one above is a little mystery. The next shot is Luke leaving Dagobah, which is not that bright a shot to make this unnoticeable. but maybe it is. Would think this could possible be the first of the transition, any chance they accidentally got mislabeled? Does the shape continue into the leader?
there are some weird things going on at the end
of that reel. i don't have any more than that. but
i'll check the next few frames after that. i didn't
think about it.
in fact, we think we have some 'extra' dark frames
after that, that are not 'official'.. i don't have any
of the leaders or tails yet, or else i would have
posted those too.. once we get those, i'll post
them for you.
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here's the rest,
reel 3
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reel 4
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reel 5
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here's the burn marks from the print, reels 1-2
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reel 2
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if you contact walkingdork,
and get a myspleen invite:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Once-upon-a-time-on-MySpleen/topic/12652/
you can access the site, which has
a torrent of this to download.
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bilditup1 said:
This set, including 7FN's transfers, are now available on the spleen.
to all the people looking.
contact : walkingdork
for a myspleen invite.
from there you can access the site,
and get torrents for these soundtracks:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Once-upon-a-time-on-MySpleen/topic/12652/
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the list was too long..
here is part 2/2 of the scenes for vob3_2
end frame time frame begin frame end description
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00:15:08.908 21510 21792 p ben and luke
00:15:10.618 21793 21833 p luke talking
00:15:11.745 21834 21860 p ben talking
00:15:13.538 21861 21903 p r2d2
00:15:16.958 21904 21985 p ben gets up
00:15:18.543 21986 22023 p luke fixes c3po
00:15:26.134 22024 22205 p ben watches leia hologram
00:15:29.554 22206 22287 p luke watches leia hologram
00:15:36.936 22288 22464 p leia hologram
00:15:40.648 22465 22553 p ben
00:15:45.028 22554 22658 p leia hologram
00:15:46.196 22659 22686 p ben looks
00:15:48.114 22687 22732 p r2d2 projects hologram
00:15:54.371 22733 22882 p leia hologram
00:15:58.500 22883 22981 p luke looks on
00:16:02.754 22982 22083 p hologram ends
00:16:04.214 22084 23118 p r2d2 closeup
00:16:06.675 23119 23177 p ben looks on
00:16:08.927 23178 23231 p luke looks on
00:16:11.012 23232 23281 p ben turns to luke
00:16:12.555 23282 23318 p luke looks to ben
00:16:17.560 23319 23438 p ben talking
00:16:19.104 23439 23475 p luke talking
00:16:26.027 23476 23641 p luke stands up and walks
00:16:29.239 23642 23718 p ben talking
00:16:31.199 23719 23765 p luke talking
00:16:32.659 23766 23800 p ben looks on
00:16:37.205 23801 23909 p luke talking
00:16:39.874 23910 23973 p ben looks on
00:16:45.463 23974 24107 p luke leans on wall
00:16:47.549 24107 24157 p ben talking
00:16:51.511 24158 24252 p luke walks to r2d2
00:16:53.304 24253 24295 p ben talking
00:17:06.735 24295 24617 p luke explains matters
00:17:10.989 24618 24719 p ben talking
00:17:13.908 24719 24789 p (wipe from right side) star destroyer
00:17:18.455 24790 24898 p death star
00:17:22.167 24899 24987 p conference room
00:17:26.421 24988 25089 p conference room
00:17:31.217 25090 25204 p conference room
00:17:51.821 25205 25698 p darth vader and grand moff tarkin enter
00:18:00.830 25699 25914 p grand moff tarkin
00:18:03.041 25915 25967 p conference room
00:18:04.292 25968 25997 p grand moff tarkin
00:18:11.883 25998 26179 p conference room
00:18:14.177 26180 26234 p grand moff tarkin
00:18:16.221 26235 26283 p darth vader
00:18:22.686 26283 26438 p conference room
00:18:26.398 26439 26527 p questioning vader
00:18:28.817 26527 26585 p grand moff tarkin
00:18:30.360 26586 26622 p questioning vader
00:18:38.576 26623 26819 p darth vader
00:18:42.122 26820 26904 p questioning vader
00:18:47.752 26905 27039 p darth vader walking
00:18:50.213 27040 27098 p questioning force
00:18:51.172 27099 27121 p darth vader raises hand
00:18:54.843 27122 27209 p force choke
00:18:55.969 27210 27236 p grand moff tarkin
00:18:58.013 27237 27285 p conference room
00:19:00.890 27286 27354 p vader force choke
00:19:02.809 27355 27400 p conference room
00:19:03.810 27401 27424 p grand moff tarkin
00:19:07.147 27425 27504 p vader releases force choke
00:19:09.274 27505 27555 p gasping for air
00:19:11.443 27556 27607 p grand moff tarkin
00:19:16.322 27608 27724 p conference room
00:19:23.246 27725 27890 p grand moff tarkin
00:19:37.302 27891 28227 p luke and ben find dead jawas
00:20:00.408 28228 28781 p ben explains to luke
00:20:01.743 28782 28813 p luke looks up
00:20:04.913 28814 28889 p c3po and r2d2
00:20:12.337 28890 29067 p luke runs back to landspeeder
00:20:22.305 29068 29306 p luke gets into landspeeder
00:20:25.892 29307 29392 p (wipe from left side) luke goes home
00:20:29.270 29393 29473 b (wipe from left side) luke approaches home
00:20:33.692 29474 29579 p fire from home
00:20:36.736 29580 29652 p luke gets out of landspeeder
00:20:41.157 29653 29758 p luke walks towards smoke and fire (end of Vob2-part1)
