this will be a good time to
go back and look at which
scene's are too grainy, and
compare the sources we
have for them..
i will try to point out some
of the scenes if we haven't
seen them already.
later
-1
don't worry, everythings fine.
it's NOT anything officially related.
the deal is getting better for
us each time.
you'll see.
later
-1
just imagine if you could get all the things you
were hoping for..
but it meant you had to deal with someone
that you didn't think you would ever have to.
and you would get the things that normally
you wouldn't be getting anytime soon.
in a way we have met our 'lando'...
that's what happened. don't worry, in a few
years it will all make sense. you'll see..
later
-1
thanks for the comments and support.
it's going to be pretty quiet from here
on out, until we get done. maybe a few
more frames here and there..
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i think you get the idea with the test
reel, and the filmguard process..
it's been a really fun ride. we'll let
you know when things are ready to
go.
oh, and just to let you know 'i've just made
a deal that will keep the empire out of here forever!' !!!???!!!!!
hmmmm....
later
-1
the wampa puppet arm frames
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-1
TV's Frink said:
negative1 said:
while widescreen is great for movies, sports,etc.
how much is out there? and how much do people watch lately?
How much is out there? Are you kidding? Just about anything new is widescreen.
which still represents a tiny portion
of all recorded and pre-recorded material
compared to that which is available in 4:3 format.
as i said, excluding movies, only a tiny fraction of
pre-recorded material available is widescreen right
now, so there really isn't much of a need or choice
for it.
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-1
Joel said:
No one has accidentally received this?
did you pm him for your copy?
then you would have heard about it.
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the UHDTV format is being approved:
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http://news.techworld.com/personal-tech/3377560/tv-with-16-times-resolution-of-hdtv-passed-by-un-standards-body/
along with broadcast formats for 4k/8k and
higher..
also sound in 22.2 multi-channel...
fun..
later
-1
coming down the home stretch now.
we have the last few pieces of the puzzle,
with the last few reels.
now to start the first round of overall
cleanup and processing. hopefully we'll
have workprint 0 in the next month or so.
later
-1
the last set of images from
the trailer:
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KazolOrajia said:
I'm sorry if this is a dumb question, but I couldn't find the answer. When negative1 posts pics and calls them 'our versions', what project is he referring to?
post 280 up the page describes more.
(scroll up).
part of the recent developments here:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/post/580190/#TopicPost580190
basically the 35mm version
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-1
got in contact with someone
that worked on the original spanish
version (c3po), and we should be
getting the small segment that
had 'han shot first' in spanish
to add back to the soundtrack.
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-1
here's some preliminary test
numbers to look at:
han shot first:
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for 1min 16.03 seconds
we have about 1820 frames.
the file size is 9.86 gigs,
so we get : 5.54 mb/frame at that bitrate
and depth
downconvert to a very small size,
with part trimmed.
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here there are 1347 frames and the bitrate
is much lower for the avi version. of course
the filesize is tiny compared to the uncompressed
version. only a few megabytes.
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none said:
Late night typing again... if the movie is 6-8 TB (raw pics directly from the camera) and there are 6 reels, that's 1-1.33 TB per reel. (two e's)
1 reel = 20 min = 28800 frames... 208mb / frame... that doesn't sound right...?
how did you get that?
i get 1 T=1024 Gigs = 1048576 MB / 28800 = 36.41 MB/frame
from a tech site
about 4k files
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Approximate Converted File Sizes for 4096 x 2048 Images at 24 fps
• DPX: 32 MB/frame or 768 MB/sec
• CineForm 444: ranges 50-100 MBytes/s
• CineForm RAW: ranges 25-50MBytes/s
and to read more about some conversion
issues and details
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http://techblog.cineform.com/?p=2168
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Brooks said:
I'm confused. They're using an 8mp camera right? My 8mp rebel takes RAW shots that are around 7-10 mb per shot, nowhere near 208. ???
that may be true.
but we have other things going on that we haven't talked
about here but on the blog. (in regards to files, file sizes, etc)
that's why i'm not going to the exact specifics of the files,
what we're including, what's there, and also it's still
changing.
anyways, don't worry about any of it. it's quite aways off
until we have to deal with them. and yes, i did understand
what harmy was saying. but i still like the idea of putting
out a 720p working version first just to get things started.
there's very few people that can deal with the 1080p data
or higher. and even less that will be able to do something
with the final files. although we have multiple backups,
it doesn't hurt to have more.
we WILL be using image files as the final format, it's
easier for you to deal with, because you won't have
to extract frames to use them. and then you can arrange
them anyway you want. i know about way too many
propietary and clunky video formats, and even though
i have tons of them installed now because of this,
it's just a pain to work with, and causes all sorts of
conflicts on your system if you don't set it up right.
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LexX said:
-1, would it be possible to get a good, full, hi-res picture of the old Emperor hologram from TESB? Would be much appreciated if you have the time, thanks. :)
vader and the emperor:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-Colortiming-Cinematography-was-What-changes-was-done-to-STAR-WARS-in-93/post/590630/#TopicPost590630
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-1
some shots of darth vader
and the emperor..
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-1
lucasdroid said:
I saw you were using Avid. What about using the DNX codec to give to people? Also how are you getting the IR channel? Isn't that something a scanner would do?
that was just an example.
of the high end sizes IF we had that data.
not implying that we have it.
we are probably not going to use high end codecs
or make people install stuff like KONA, etc. very few
people have the resources or the actual programs
to use them anyways.
we will provide the still frames, most
likely in TIFF files. because that's the easiest way to do it..
what about downsamples?
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harmy brings up a very good point.
a 720p release of the data first would get people
something to work with first, in a much smaller
set, but still enough to work on.
if you're interested, i'm thinking this will be
what we could put out first. and then if there
is a need for more. we can go from there.
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none said:
Late night typing again... if the movie is 6-8 TB (raw pics directly from the camera) and there are 6 reels, that's 1-1.33 TB per reel. (two e's)
1 reel = 20 min = 28800 frames... 208mb / frame... that doesn't sound right...?
According to this site: http://www.pgreen.co.uk/resolutionsize.htm
To store the basic scans for a 2K Digital Intermediate of a 90 minute feature:
- 1 second = 24 frames
- 1 min: 24 frames x 60 = 1440 frames per minute
- 90 min's: 1440 x 90 = 129 600 frames per feature film
- 12Mb x 129 600 = 1 555 200 Mb or over 1.5 Tb
Storage - 4K
- 48Mb x 129 600 = 6 220 800 Mb or over 6.2 Tb
So revise the numbers from 90 min to 120 or so and maybe there's some minor compression savings and thus -1, 6-8 TB values make sense.
those numbers all seem to make sense
we do have other factors.. the bit depth is a major one..
starting at the high end :
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4k scan / 16 bit depth TIFF files - 2 hour movie
(including alpha channel with IR information for
dust and dirt)
= 20+ Terabytes
2k files / 10 bit depth TIFF files - 2 hour movie
= 8 - 10 T
1080p / 10 bit depth TIFF files - 2 hour movie
= 6 - 8 T
=====================================
Again, to keep things manageable we'll have to do
with the raw untouched files scaled down to 1080p.
And have them as an image sequence, such as TIFF/DPX.
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There might be some savings due to compression.
But if you're converting them to video, you can use
compression then.
Since we have might have multiple parts, and multiple
movies, we still have to figure out what to do with the
replacement parts, and the red reels versions too.
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Davnes007 said:
I would be happy enough with an Xvid version, just to enjoy the vintage look of the scratches/hair/dirt/etc..
i have made plans for several versions:
1) grindhouse red version
2) grindhouse color version with the
deleted scenes put back in
3) grindhouse color version (original)
most of these will be 720p/480p and in
mkv/avi formats..
there will be more variations i'm sure..
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-1
the fragmented nature of star wars
appeals to me now. that's why the
prequels don't bother me, and i
can enjoy all of them.
in fact, because of that. i enjoy
the clone wars a lot. and quite
a few of the books and the extended
universe have made the whole star
wars story pretty great to me.
i'm just glad that there's so much
star wars material out there to enjoy,
and that people can pick and choose
which parts they want to explore and
learn about or ignore.
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-1
SS4DarthPayne said:
Hey -1, how is this coming? I'm really curious. Thanks!
althor1138 has made more
progress than me..
busy with the regular star wars
scenes, so haven't really gone
back to these in awhile.
later
-1
try playing games without savepoints,
or savestates, or very limited lives.
a lot of early games never had those,
you had to finish them in one game,
(or pause maybe)...
nowadays, there are cheat codes,
hacks, gamer aids and of course
the design of the games are different.
sure some of that stuff was also
around back in the dawn of console
gaming. but true gamers never
used them. now games have
help and aid built in as features.
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-1
AntcuFaalb said:
Do you (can you?!) plan to release a non-cleaned-up scaled-down version? It'd be very useful for those of us who'd like to play with the raw scans, but can't afford to send you 15-20TB worth of hard-drives.
What resizing algorithm do you plan to use to scale-down the images?
What you're doing is amazing -- thanks!
there are plans for the raw image data
to be released. but we haven't finalized
it yet, because we are adding more capture
data, and the size of it is around 6-8 T. It's
going to be hard to figure out how to do shipping
and things for. i don't have highspeed connections,
so putting it up on usenet is out of the questions,
and it's way to much data to put on disks. so
unless someone can come up with a good plan,
it's going to be very tricky. we never had to deal
with this amount of data before.
later
-1
it's ok to post comparisons..
however, video samples are more promising
for this project in comparison..
i've been putting a few in 720p here,
although they're not fully color corrected..
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/cleaning-up-dirty-frames-for-scenes/topic/14044/page/2/
the 1080p ones, look better than those too..
later
-1