AntcuFaalb said:
-1: Did you ever start the private blog for this project? Do you still intend to do that?
check your pm.
later
-1
here you go, sony 84" 4k tv coming later this year..
probably starts around $4000-5000 also, probably
more!
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/sony-announces-massive-84-4k-flat-panel-tv-set-to-ship-this-year/
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-1
pretty cool.
story here:
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http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0829/Astronomers-spot-pair-of-Tatooine-planets-orbiting-twin-suns
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AntcuFaalb said:
Here's the motion-compensated dirt removal function I was using for the now-defunct SWOLT project.
Warning: It cleans excellently while preserving detail, but don't use it for any shots containing stars.
Note 1: You may want to set clmodeY to 18. See the RemoveGrain manual for explanations of what the different modes do and what the ups/downs of each one are.
Note 2: It only works on clips in planar color-spaces; e.g., YV12. Furthermore, it won't clean frames at scene-changes.
cool, thanks will check it out..
do you have any video examples of this
that you used?
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-1
don't worry, we plan to spread it out
much like harmy has done with his
latest project. newsgroups, torrents,
and file sharing sites.
just have to make sure
that the files are not corrupted. that
seems to be an issue at times.
later
-1
red5-626 said:
In the future if more better quality prints come up, will
you scan them to make a 2.0 version?
from a few posts up:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/post/591990/#TopicPost591990
look near the end paragraph.
will there be other improvements or revisions, or is this it?
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-1
jero32 said:
With the han shot first scene. Is it stil better than the gout (overall) quality wise or is it just technicly a higher resolution?
The video you posted of it looked pretty ok.
it's a lot better.
frankly, the whole movie is on an entirely different
level than the GOUT. seriously, this will set the new
standard for the time being. we're confident that you
won't be mentioning GOUT for a long time at least in
regards to star wars.
this will be apparent in all variations, even the DL DVD,
and the SD ones.... i've watched it on even smaller
resolutions like my zuneHD media player at 480x248, and
EVEN there it looks better! (mostly because of the
colors)...
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-1
congratulations on finishing this project and your thesis.
happy birthday and best wishes.
enjoyed following your progress and
seeing what you've come up with.
this will definitely raise expectations for all
future projects.
later
-1
so how authentic will it be?
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that's a tough question to answer.
it all depends on a certain point of view...
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what if you restored the 'reel change' marks... well
that wouldn't be true to the film, because they're
actually on the film.. so filling those in is altering
those frames.. so we're leaving those in...
what about de-warping and stabilizing images.
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again, these are digital alterations made to the original
frame data... due to the film shrinking or bending due to
time..the video although straight in the frame, could
compress and decompress and look like warping..
of course, we have ways of digitally fixing that so you
would never know that it was changed unless you
looked at the original frames..
also, for stabilization, due to the alignment of certain
frames.. like in the crawl for example, you might see
the original picture move slightly.. again, we can
digitally alter the sequence by using fixed points as
references and then continue the animation per frame
to smooth out the shifting.. you wouldn't notice this
also, since we'll be cropping around the edges.
isn't fixing the damage altering the images too?
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yes it is, because when you replace the damage with
pixels or color data from other frames, it's not going
to be original either...
the thing is this was probably done for the GOUT anyways,
so even there it's been altered somewhat from the
'originals'... that's always going to be the trade-off,
better picture quality vs original data.
of course, if you watch a completely raw transfer of the
movie (which for the most part, you could for the lpp), you
wouldn't have to think about too much of any kind of
alterations, besides color corrections mostly to get the
'just projected' type of experience. again the lighting
and colors were meant to imitate the type of bulbs
used back then..
the pictures going to look soft?
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yeah, it might. but guess what, when you project it, that
kind of thing happens which compensates for the dust
and scratches on film. the reason it seems that way on
the digital version is you're seeing it at sharper resolution
in some cases than it would seem in a theater. of course
watching it on a monitor/crt or tv, is completely different
from the effect of watching projected film onto a screen.
are we going to using sharpening/contrast filters?
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no we are not. this could introduce more artifacts than were
originally there. granted, when you do some of the dirt and
dust cleanup, there APPEARS to be either a softening or
sometimes a sharpening effect. these will be minimized,
but most likely this is to emulate the effect of how it would
have appeared projected.
are there are any major scenes variations?
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the opening scene is made from 3 different stocks of films.
the crawl is the original splice in. the flyover is 2 different
lpp prints, and most of the rest of the film is one stock.
the han shoots first scene is also an original red faded
kodak stock. you WILL notice a difference in the quality
of these scenes..
any scene that had major composites, like the mos
eisely entry scene, the falcon taking off, will also appear
degraded due to several generations of reproduction.
there will be slight digital alterations of these also..
in the end, about 90-95% of the films should be considered
very close to the 'original'... the rest should be negligible
and not easily detected, even if using the GOUT as a
reference.
why not use the Bluray or other high def for references?
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because due to the nature of those versions, ignoring
the main cg alterations. even then the colors and sharpness
and clarity will not be able to be replicated by us. there
may be some scenes or a few frames that may be of
use. but as a whole we didn't need to refer to them during
the processes.
will there be other improvements or revisions, or is this it?
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for the time being, this will be the 1.0 version. we're making
every effort to not miss out on anything significant so we
don't envision returning to this anytime soon.. unless there
are some future developments?????????????????????????
i know there will be several side projects that will be a lot
less serious (like including deleted scenes, or more orignal,
and grindhouse versions).. but those will not be up to the
reference standard. and not be as comprehensive as the
main release.
we'd like to see how this does, and gauge the response and
interest in it. as we contemplate future projects and releases.
later
-1
i guess the image source quality would
be (from lowest to best)
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8mm - vhs/beta - ced - 16mm - laserdisc
then
dvd - 35mm /70mm / bluray - ib tech - negatives/original masters
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so
again with the GOUT at 100%
0--------------------------50--------------------------100
===========+8mm
======================+vhs/beta/ced
============================+16mm
================================+laserdisc/dvd
==================================================+35mm/ 70mm/bluray
======================================================= IB tech/negatives
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-1
other things to think about:
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1 - image stabilization
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some shots will be stabilized due to the nature
of the film, whether this was in the original or
not remains to be seen
2 - dirt / dust and scratch cleanup
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if it's on the print, it will probably stay in there,
unless its very distracting from the film
3 - sprocket damage
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will be cleaned up
4 - cropping
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the standard 5-10% of the image will be done
and this helps with the stabilization also
5 - grain removal / reduction
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only the harshest scenes will have some grain
removed if we have sharper frames for them
6 - duplicate, dark, or 'lost' frames
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we'll try to match the original reel lengths
(NOT the gout counts) as naturally as possibly
there may be a few extra frames near the
reel breaks
7 - headers and tails
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will be preserved
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maybe an index for this would be like
GOUT = 100%
how original is our version?
(shorter is better for image effects,
longer is better for resolution/image size,
if its 100% it should match evenly)
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0 ----------------------------50------------------------100
total frames
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sound resolution (35mm stereo)
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resolution (1080p HD)
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noise reduction
----+
image per frame (even with cropping)
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subtitle placement
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stabilization, jitter, weave
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anything else?
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well the colors will be the biggest and most critical issues.
we have the lpp print colors to start with, and now with
harmy's ib tech based DE2.0 for a few more hints, along with
a few other unnamed sources we'll have it pinned down.
whether you think some scenes will be too dark or different
we're still going with what looks best in context of the original
film and the references. of course you can tweak it to your
liking. and as seen in several examples in the cinematography
thread, you can compare it to what we have.
later
-1
hairy_hen said:
negative1 said:
70mm theatrical - english (recreation)
Wait, does this mean you'll be using my 5.1 version? I have no objection, of course, but I thought you said that this wouldn't be synched to the GOUT due to frame count differences, and my version is exactly GOUT-synched. I guess the lossless files could be edited to match a video of different length, though . . .
hey hairy_hen,
thanks for the offer, we haven't quite gotten to the point where
we can use it. but when the time comes we'll let you know when
we could use the help.
i'm not familiar with the issues for fixing the sound. but we'll
let you know what's up with it, or provide you with an early
version to sync to, or the data you need to make it work.
later
-1
1990osu said:
red5-626 said:
I know what it is.
This guy has the missing
seen of Luke missing with
the grappling hook. LOL
You know, all those people who saw it in May of '77 can't all be imagining things....
Considering the changes in the credits and the sound mixes, it wouldn't surprise me if the grappling hook shot really happened, but only on certain prints in the limited release...
if we had the 'misses throwing the grappling hook'
scene. you would be the first to know. since it never
existed. obviously that's not it. haha
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-1
AntcuFaalb said:
-1: Excellent job! Please start the new thread. I have a few questions and a dirt/dust removal AviSynth script I'd like to share with you. (It's a motion-compensated version of what I used for my now-defunct SWOLT project.)
thanks.
yeah, well when we're a little closer to the final
stage, we'll kick it off.
all discussions of scripts can be (and should be)
done over here in the the technical forum. we
started a cleaning up dirty frames one already:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/cleaning-up-dirty-frames-for-scenes/topic/14044/
please post there..
yeah, technical talk spills over into the general
release thread.
from what i've seen every major release thread
boils down to these:
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1) where/how can i get it?
2) great job / amazing /excellent, thank you!
3) what's next?
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and that's what that thread will pretty much be....
along with the details, etc.
i'm more interested in reading about people's reactions
and stories about it... that's all i would be checking in on.
because once it's done, there won't really be any more
status updates to make.
later
-1
ok!
enough speculation, i think the well has
run dry, and now we're repeating ourselves.
anyways, i'll start a new thread about the 35mm
version soon enough, so we can concentrate on
the details over there, and not in this one. this
was just a more general thread anyways, and
it's gotten quite messy with all kinds of topics.
what we need to still do:
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1 artwork - we put out a few ideas over here:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-DVD-Covers/post/569119/#TopicPost569119
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-DVD-Covers/post/569903/#TopicPost569903
and here:
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http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-DVD-Covers/post/570724/#TopicPost570724
2 a readme.txt - well i'm kind of done with it, and here's a
preview:
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swtheatrical101.txt
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star wars: 35mm theatrical version
presented by : -1 and cinch,mr brown
it is with great pleasure that cinch,mr brown
and i (-1) bring to you this:
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star wars: 35mm theatrical version
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restored to its original brilliance and color
in 1080p with theatrical audio soundtracks
in english and spanish.
but first a look back at how we got here:
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a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away....
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i was a 10 year old, living in calgary, alberta - canada,
during the fall of 1977. i had heard about a movie
called star wars, but had not seen it yet. finally
after friends had told me about it, i saw the toys,
the commercials, and decided to go. so sometime in
the fall, i went. i don't remember the exact day,
but my life was never the same again. the impressions
of the opening crawl, the flyover with the destroyer,
luke, the droids, ben, leia, han, chewie, and of course
darth vader all became a permanent part of my psyche.
the light sabers amazed, the x-wings, and death star
were sights to behold. the story, the tale, had
captured my imagination. i would go on to read the
books, buy the comics, bedsheets, you name it. to
this day, i still have my original c3p0 and r2d2
action figures, and all my collectors cards...
closing the trilogy, the special editions, and the prequels
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......................
your turn.. hitting the 35th anniversary and more.
================================================
spread this movie. show it to your friends.
tell people you are watching the original star wars!
we are happy to share it with you, because we
enjoyed it also... and we hope you will too.
it was a labor of love.
but in the end, despite the issues,
the time, and money spent. it was
all worth it..
we hope that this inspires people, and
we especially thank george lucas, and lucasfilm
first and foremost for creating it.
it may have been a long time ago in a galaxy
far, far away....
but not anymore. we hope to celebrate
many more anniversaries with you and
watching it as it was meant to be.
may the force be with you.
=
cinch,mr brown and -1
nn/nn/2012
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3 finalizing the discs, and files:
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a) main movie
b) 35mm theatrical trailer
c) our trailer
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d) bonus of footage of equipment?
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audio tracks - mono (partially restored) mix
35mm theatrical - english
35mm theatrical - spanish
70mm theatrical - english (recreation)
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e) extra files on bd-disk
archival of site - jedi1.com
with links to downloads of behind the scenes videos
in higher resolutions
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nice to feel like we're getting closer to
final stages!
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-1
no. it's not the 70mm prints.
but if someone wants to contact the guy
who went to the private screening for us,
and find out who has them.. the picture
quality wouldn't be that great because of
the fading. but the sound, if captured, would
be awesome...
there is truth among a lot of what people
have guessed so far. so the ones that
are right will be relieved.
but it's not unsealed never played prints either.
that's hoping for a little too much.
check back in a few years, and you'll
feel better! ha ha
later
-1
ha ha..
nope, no mythical, literary,
comic book people either.
of course it's not that important who
he is, or who any of us, or even me...
it's what he has, and what he will do with it,
and what is done with the information from him.
you'll see. ha ha..
later
-1
nope.. not a celebrity..
just an average citizen.
later
-1
as i mentioned, its someone that
isn't on this board..
don't worry, it's in good hands.
from a true star wars fan.
that also wants to see the
originals restored. he's very
anxious and ready to get going
on it.. but of course these things
will take time..
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-1
just to clear it up..
good try.. but not RAH!
(but i have contacted and emailed him)
and also.. it has nothing to do with LOC either..
nice try with the guesses and initials though..
later
-1
i have a feeling.. but you never know...
maybe there will be some new private
blogs or something else to take over
from where we leave off ???
later
-1
i think it would be cool to see star wars
as it was in the first original drafts: starkiller
etc...
i have no idea who would play what though..
later
-1
Harmy said:
I'm sorry dude but are you being intentionally thick on this issue? I wasn't asking why you weren't posting uncompressed images and videos, I was asking why you're posting very very heavily compressed ones. The fact that one scene takes up 9GB in uncompressed is irrelevant, because you can compress the same scene to like 200MB or even less and it should still look perfectly decent. The quality you keep posting looks like you've compressed the scene that was 9GBs in uncompressed to 2MB.
I don't mean to be rude or anything, I'm just trying to understand why you keep posting these godawful images when it seems illogical.
gotcha..
ok...
yeah, must be the compression scheme,
going from uncompressed -> WMV -> AVI
then scaling down does that..
well, too late to do anything about that now.
since we're getting closer to completing it.
maybe future pics won't have that issue.
later
-1
ok, guys, don't interpolate too much!
this news was just a little bonus that's
going to have an impact way down the line..
not anytime soon..
i just threw it out there, but its just a fun
thing that happened, that you'll be very
pleased to know about..
it will NOT impact this project, the release
of it, or anything else i've mentioned recently.
we're still on track and getting closer.. so rest
at ease..
it's not mike v obviously, because he's involved
with his own project as you know... we're still
behind him in support and as a community you
should be also.. it IS someone who's not on this
or any other board. i worked with this person
way back when i first started up, and they gave
me some support, and are involved in a big way now.
i can't say anymore, because this person has their
own plans about what they would like to do, and
how they are going to do it .. in a way they will
probably take over from what i'm doing when i've left...
some of your guesses are getting closer, but
it's not quite there... realistically think about how
long this has taken... 2006 when this idea came
first came up:
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July 5, 2006
5:32 PM
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Making-our-own-35mm-preservation-my-crazy-proposal/post/224482/#TopicPost224482
so it's been 6 years. i came onboard with some ideas
in 2008. so it's been about 4 years (and counting).
empire still has about another year or 2 right?
then there's jedi ??? let's say that there's leads
on that...at least another year ? so that's 3-4 years
longer already... and after that ... ? ? ?
that's a lot of pieces of the puzzle. considering the
amount of information out there... people want the
trilogy right? it's not going to happen overnight. we
just want to make sure the pieces of the puzzle are
at least put into a framework where it can happen
without worrying about how/when and where it
will happen..
the real test of what's going to happen all depends
on the first release. we're all waiting to see exactly
how it goes, and what impact it will have.. in a way
we're keeping close tabs on puggos 16mm esb, and
of course harmy's despecialized 2.0 HD release,
because that has given us a lot of ideas about how
we are going to do it to..
exciting times ahead!
later
-1