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thejediknighthusezni said:

        The droids and then Leia and Chewie (or just disguised Leia) quickly enter the palace and then Leia is made a slave and taken out on Jabba's ship to find the others arriving? ;/ ;\  Could save a little time.

However it is done I would love to see that whole escape effort tidied up and made less ridiculous....the whole plan (if there IS one) is just convoluted as hell.

Lapti Nek AND Jedi Rocks (dumbest name ever) are BOTH out. To be replaced with...???

elmshield said:

so when is the release date for Episode 7:R then?

When it's done.

BladeRunner391 said:

I guess this means no OUT Blu-Ray release. :(

Even if they HAD been sold to Disney (and in a way they have, but only as of 2020)....do you not think that GL might have put something in the contract that prohibits any release of what he sees as inferior versions of his films? He was always very stubborn on this....going so far as to claim that he believed ESB to be the least successful of the OT films. I AM hopeful....this whole incident DOES lead one to believe he has finally given up ALL control...his temper tantrum finally complete (first retirement and now the sale of all he created)......he has perhaps finally convinced himself that he no longer cares about the one thing that made him great in the first place. BUT I will not be terribly surprised if it turns out that Disney is contractually obligated to continue to ignore the versions made prior to 2004.

AntcuFaalb said:

Can the music be Yub Nub? ;)

 

No.

Luke burns Vader.....we cut to the party....everyone having a good time....Leia looks off in the distance, and walks off to investigate, Han, Chewie and co. follow her. We see Luke walking away from the funeral pyre, Leia walks up to him...they share a few words, maybe Leia tries to get him to come join the party...everyone else arrives just as Luke makes it clear that he'll be leaving. They all say their goodbyes, and Luke turns and walks towards his X-Wing, R2 wheels after him dutifully....but Luke notices, stops, bends down and speaks to him then rises again and walks away. R2 stays for a moment, watching Luke go, then turns and heads back to stand next to Leia, his new owner, and 3P0, his friend. Cut to a shot of Luke in the cockpit of his X-Wing....he smiles, we know everything is going to be ok, he takes off.....Han & Leia & co. rejoin the party. Last shot is either of the party, or of Luke's X-Wing flying towards the camera with Endor behind him. All or most of this would be sans dialogue, with music in its place.

This would have been GOLD......but sadly....we got the group portrait. 

The ending ROTJ has now is just too picture perfect. It reeks of cheese. Personally I'd have taken a "middle of the road" type ending. I'd have the DSII blown up (mission accomplished...yay), Lando & Falcon blowed up with it (sad...boo), Leia and Han in love and Leia becoming someone important ala Mon Mothma (yay), Luke having saved his father but still feeling the need to jet off into the galaxy to a) Contemplate life..... b) Start a new Jedi Order..... c) Go kick squatters out of Ben's hut and put up wallpaper.... (the point being that we're happy he has succeeded but we're also left somewhat melancholy that he's lived through so much in the process of saving the galaxy that he now no longer feels a part of it ala Frodo Baggins at the end of the Rings Trilogy......yay AND boo at the same time....*gasp*....duality) (and ultimately a more believable ending)

fairuz hidayat said:

So, in the larger context the decision to have a happy ending was best for all. 

This is a matter of opinion....otherwise I am not a part of "all".

Bingowings said:

It's a stylist decision the view is blocked for dramatic effect.

It's a decision you don't agree with and one I've never really formed a significant position on but it's not in any way a major problem with the film.

 A film where someone is being chased by a helicopter....we, nor the main character (who is existing in the same space as said helicopter) don't see it, or hear it, and then it suddenly comes flying into frame along with the audio suddenly smashing through the speaker.........THAT is a stylistic choice.

A long (distant) shot showing nothing, followed by a close up shot of the same space which is now inhabited by something large (a space battle) that could not have just suddenly arrived.....is a continuity error.

If I'm not mistaken he has said that the droids will be re-dubbed.....not sure if still in English, or if it will be a droid language with subtitles....(or no subtitles)

SW has never shied away from sound in space....thats a moot argument. The battle at the begining of ANH is heard as it approaches the frame edge.....and the battle at the begining of ROTS is sprung as a surprise both audibly AND visually.....2 very different styles.

My point was that they're not hiding....we hear them coming. We hear them before we see them.......and after the Tantive IV goes by, we see the shots coming from the SD...so we hear it AND have a visual clue that its coming. They don't just suddenly appear at the same time as the audio does.

I'm not saying theres anything wrong with the CGI (apart from there being way too damn much of it in the film)....just that the specific visual gag they used to reveal the battle is not consistant with a SW film.

I'd agree with Bingo that the effects in ROTS were alot more even....AOTC had ups and downs that made things stick out more. Though theres things I still notice.......Commander Cody for instance....the scene where Obi rides up and Cody gives him back his lightsaber....Temura's head just never seems right on that CGI clone trooper's body. Though ROTS was just so completely CGI filled that it really comes off as more of a video game than a film.....with AOTC as a close second.

Its a clumsy device for less than intelligent audiences......and SW has never made a habit of hiding huge obvious things just out of frame....so when one movie has a shot like that in it when the other 5 do not, I call that bad film-making. If the point was to give each film its own style in the way the characters or audience perceive things not on camera then it wouldn't be a problem....but the 6 films are stylistically similar for the most part...treating things offscreen as if they continued to exist (ie: characters can hear things coming before they arrive, sensors detect approaching ships)

emanswfan said:

What I want to see removed is the first shot of ROTS, the one continous really long camera angle.  It's not that I don't like it, it's just we never see anything like that in any of the other movies.

I have no problem with the length of the shot (though I agree that it IS different from anything else in SW).....but more how its badly tricked.....you're looking down at the planet, and see nothing, then we get real close to the star destroyer and when we come out from behind it we're looking down at the planet again except this time theres a battle going on.....its just bad film-making. The same way in alot of bad movies where the characters don't see/hear the helicopter/car/monster chasing them until it enters frame.

Personally I think it would have been more interesting to pan down, past some wreckage, then directly into the battle......from a distance...perhaps having the battle resemble (only a little) some of the more distant shots from the ROTJ:R space battle....and then cut to the closer shots.

(all this of course is assuming ROTS:R still begins with the space battle)

I'm hoping Ady has big plans for the whole first act......its just goofy really

Jaitea said:

...when R2 pushes 3P0 off the barge & jumps also, he does this knowing that he is part of the team, that he depends on others, like they depend on him, he takes that leap knowing that he won't be left behind...

 Which sadly highlights yet another problem with the PT droids....theres already an overall lack of cameraderie in the PT....that slightly cheesy team spirit... "friends fighting for eachother" kinda feel that the OT had in spades...but the droids get the worst treatment in this particular aspect of the PT.....they're literally treated like they're just talking appliances. Theres no care or concern from any of the living & breathing characters towards the droids. They're treated as if they were disposable by the characters, and they're treated like plot devices instead of characters by the writers.

Bingowings said:

...the droids in the PT era are top of the range and brand new.

 

The jets are narratively functional.

 Who says they're brand new? The galaxy (and the civilization within it) didn't just pop into existence immediately after the opening crawl. Things have been rolling for quite some time and as such there should be aspects of the universe that show wear and tear. Perhaps as a repair droid on a royal ship R2 SHOULD look clean and new......but I definitely disagree when you say that jets on R2 function on a narrative level. R2 rolls around, and apparently has a magnetic function to stick to the outside of a moving spacecraft (a "new" ability shown for the first time in the PT that I DON'T have a problem with)......he also has extendable arms with tools on them to get into tight spaces and accomplish tasks ordinary humans couldn't. I'd say he has more than enough mobilty as it is without making him fly on top of everything else he can do. As a narrative device R2's jets fail completely in my opinion as they make the character less interesting.....we worry less about how he will get out of a jam, therefore we care less overall. I'm not saying the jets aren't a logical thing to have on a droid of his type.....but the secret to writing a good character is to write him/her as you want, then remove some aspects in order to create a conflict or a goal for the individual.....making them too perfect makes them boring. There SHOULD be things R2 cannot do.....flying, in my opinion, is definitely one of them.

And thats where I disagree with the whole argument of PT R2 vs OT R2.....things were clunkier, and more archaic in the OT....everything was made too slick and perfect in the PT, including R2. You want your characters to have limitations....that way you feel genuine suspense when they're in danger....or possibly about to fail at something they're trying to accomplish. The PT had no such suspense because of how they would just switch to CG anytime they couldn't accomplish something with a physical droid. Instead of having the same limitations that the real R2 units had in '76, '79, and '82 they were now able to have the droids do ANYTHING. If AOTC had been made 30 years ago R2 would have turned around, gone back the way he came, and found an alternate route to where he was trying to get to....OR alternatively he would have found a port, plugged in and saved the day that way....from a distance (the same way he shuts down the garbage compactor in ANH).......in the PT he's got a tool for literally EVERY possible situation and therefore has far more confidence than he does in the OT. So the character IS changed and definitely FEELS different.

R2 was always more of a clunky little toolbox.....the PT made him too streamlined and capable.

Bingowings said:

 

This is the unofficial REVISITED SAGA thread so at the end of the day team Adywan will decide.

 Ady HAS decided.

Actually, before the PT existed I always assumed (and very much enjoyed the thought) that they'd preserve the father reveal when they DID get around to making them. Its one of the more iconic film twists in cinematic history and I thought they'd treat it with a little more respect....but instead they disregarded it completely (not the ONLY thing GL disregarded from the OT when making the new films...but I digress). My definitive version (you know, the one in my head....the one thats perfect for me and only me) had Anakin's fate left much more murky and unresolved....so I'm rather pleased that this is the road Ady wishes to go down with his edits.

nightstalkerpoet said:

I'm curious about this... what if you simply remove the episode numbers? I know that seems like a strange fix... but I think the second the OT has shed the episode numbers, I can look at it as a standalone trilogy again.

 

 Sh*tty films is sh*tty films...regardless of their number. I have zero problem disregarding or ignoring the PT as it stands right now. I'm on board with Revisited because I think they can be made BETTER....but they'll never be the films I think should have been made......and that has absolutely nothing to do with numbers or the order they should be watched in. Ady has said he wants to make them watchable in 1-6 order, and wants to maintain the surprise....I'm anxious to see it. First time I've been excited about SW since I realized that the whole PT was gonna suck (which was sometime between 2 & 3).....so I think that counts for something.

Personally I'm very much on board with the notion that the clones of ANH "clone war" fame (long before the prequels came out) were more of a "you never knew exactly who you were dealing with" kind of situation...whether the real person or a clone of said person.....I think it was quite the wasted opportunity for GL to box himself in by making the troopers the ONLY clones (like no-one else had ever thought about cloning people for other purposes........how interesting would it have been for Obi to have been investigating who ordered clones in the first place only to find out that it was a clone of himself....thus leading to him fighting himself...blah blah blah....and then leading to a complete ban on cloning (for obvious reasons) thus explaining why it doesn't play a part in episodes 4-6)....the same way it was boxing himself in story-wise to say that only 2 Sith could ever exist at the same time....BORING.

Additionally, Palpy tossing out Vader's name before Vader appears......this is rather awesome.