msycamore

erri or should I say thxita, can you please check if they take orders outside of Italy, and also what it costs. Do you also happen to know if they are well regarded, knowing someone doing business with them before?

I have started to get rid of a lot of junk on my HD to free up some space for this project and will begin work on this again, after my little break I finally feel the urge to continue with this again. As you know the IVTC is already done on SilverWook's capture, it's the 15 minutes segment with our white little friend and framing issue, restore the opening titles and logos and audio syncing which is left to do, it will certainly take some time for me but I'll keep you updated.

mark7, the new crawl and opening shot for Star Wars was first seen on the 1981 re-release, a whole year after The Empire Strikes Back number V had confused some people in the audiences, however, the Episode IV - A NEW HOPE title was first seen in published Lucasfilm material back in '79 but wasn't added to the actual film until two years later.

Here is a comprehensive list of the many changes throughout the years:

STAR WARS

http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/StarWarsSpecialEditionChangesHD

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK:

http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/EmpireSpecialEditionChangesHD

RETURN OF THE JEDI:

http://picasaweb.google.com/doubleofive/JediSpecialEditionChangesHD

The 2006 bonus DVD of SW is actually the first official video release to include the original '77 opening of the film, all video releases from '82 to '95 had always the revised 1981 opening. However, the audio tracks on those DVD's are not the original theatrical mixes. The tracks on Empire and Jedi are quite faithful due to being just digitally remasters but the audio track on Star Wars is basically a combination of all three original mixes with new content added in '93.

Hi milo, then you have come to the right place, I sent you a PM. Be sure to check out other preservations on this site as well.

Nice, thank you for doing this Mallwalker! :)

Darth Mallwalker said:

Thanks a lot for preserving this one msycamore, and thanks for sharing it.
Props to your mate who did the captures as well.

 You're welcome, and I'm glad I did, I will thank him. :)

Darth Mallwalker said:
The GOUT-sync is pure awesomeness.
Guess that means you've inserted black frames at the 2nd reel change?
I love that sort of attention to detail. Bravo!

Yes that's the way I did it, just 16 black frames inserted at the 2nd reel change and one deleted at the rebel hangar (last reel change) which was absent on the NTSC GOUT. So it was pretty easy doing this, and I figured it would be nice and convenient to just have it synced with the NTSC GOUT due to all the nice audiotracks that have been preserved and synced to that already. So, no problem. I don't think anyone will miss that one single frame anyway.

Darth Mallwalker said:

While it shouldn't diminish this great project in any way, I'll point out
the LD cover in the original post linked from Fritz's site appear to be a Mitsubishi pressing
"Discs Manufactured in Japan"
Busted!
Here's my Technidisc cover, proudly made in USA

Good eye. ;)

Like Moth3r said, thank you for uploading this to the newsgroup whoever you are. :)

The Aluminum Falcon said:

By the way, if anyone has the Flunk or the TB releases, please do share them either by file-sharing site or myspleen... It would be much appreciated since I don't know how they compare to the G'KAR releases.

"Flunk" is ANH only, it is the one displaying the most picture information of the bunch (if only by very little on both sides) It's definitely the sharpest transfer out there as it went through some sharpening process and it also contains what appears to be chroma sub-sampling causing artifacts mostly seen in the reds.

Nothing that haven't been said a thousand times before, but a nice little column from Digital Bits Adam Jahnke: http://www.themortonreport.com/entertainment/film/an-honor-to-be-nominated-star-wars/

see you auntie said:

Another non sequitur:

20th Century Mark said:

zombie84 said:

The DVD had the original mono, did they get rid of that for the BD?? That would be awful, I can't stand that remixed mess half the time. I think the only place the new 5.1 was superior was when the tanker truck explodes.

 They just re-released it in a digibook edition with no original mono mix. For this reason, I didn't get it and kept my DVD. Does anhyone know if the digibook edition is the picture quality as the first release?

Same picture quality, in fact same exact disc. 

I really hope they do this film justice on the next release, it was nice that they included the original mono on the Special Edition DVD but that track was very weak compared to the first Image Entertainment DVD or Laserdiscs where it had some very nice low frequency. The old '97 DVD wasn't in anamorphic though. Maybe a custom DVD is in order to still the abstinence. ;)

It's laughable and sad that they try to repair what has already been damaged instead of beginning from scratch. IMO, if gamma corrections and color differences will make the list you could as well add all the differences in video transfers going all the way back to 1982, no transfer will look the same. Rotoscoping in new cores to lightsabers is different though.

Do you happen to know if this Super-8 of yours also is sourced from 70mm version material like Puggo's was? see here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/post/268442/#TopicPost268442

Moth3r, I have never made a newsgroup upload before, sounds scary ;) not sure how it all works, maybe someone else who now have it could be kind and do it for me? If not, I'll see what I can do.

Asaki, thanks for helping out, I can provide Moth3r with the missing frames if you have problems with it and from the original upload of V8 (DVD9).

Yeah, I know what you mean. Those composites/explosions always had a little bit of green in them, you can see it in some of the earlier transfers and in the THX WOW trailer as well, I don't think you can see it in the THX LD's/GOUT transfer because of the clipped levels and low saturation, but it gets exaggerated in this one because of the already green/yellow tint in some parts of the transfer, Luke's lightsaber and Leia's hologram in Ben's hut are affected the worst I think.

Anyway, I'm glad the colortiming of this transfer bring nostalgia to some of you. :)

One things for sure what he is doing cannot be healthy, I mean from what I understand the Han/Greedo scene is now revisited for the third time, think about that, 4 times have he tried to get that scene right. It sure must be a damn complicated scene to get absolutely right. :) And then there is people out there buying this "vision". I mean c'mon wake up goddammit!

Ah, ok thanks. Don't know if Zion updates that comparison page any longer, otherwise you have Moth3r's page: http://moth3r.heliohost.org/ld-screens.htm But he have two pics not included in your upload. The chroma noise is really awful when seeing it on those stills. :( I see that arnie.d's V8 is missing on those pages...

Neil S. Bulk said:

Is this the very last video transfer to get the glow of Luke's lightsaber on the Millennium Falcon right?

Very nice to see you around these parts again, yes I would say it was the last one to get the lightsaber glow right in that wide shot. I posted a sample of it here: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Smear-free-93/post/530016/#TopicPost530016 (Destruction of Alderaan)

But this transfer have its own set of color problems.

Asaki said:

I took some shots for the comparison page.

?? Moth3r's?

Very nice AvP! :) Had completely forgot about doing cover art, so thank you for doing it, very kind of you. :) Edit: updated the torrent page with your cover.

grisan, I would like to do at least ESB SWE LD at some point. I'm not a big fan of ROTJ, so I don't own that one.

I better watch out, good luck SilverWook and Anchorhead, you're gonna be great mods.

Thanks Sluggo.

Thanks, I guess it's ok. Don't know if I agree with you about this one being more detailed than the JSC, that transfer have better framing/cropping, less aliasing and dirt but overall I actually prefer this one, mostly because of the colors.

STAR WARS - Special Widescreen Edition (Technidisc)

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Info:

Year…: 1977, 1981
Length…: Approx. 121 Minutes
Source…: Special Widescreen Edition Laserdisc (1993 re-issue)
Format…: NTSC DVD
Size…: 7.82 GB
Video…: 16:9
Language…: AC-3 English Dolby 2.0 Surround
Subtitles…: English hardcoded subs for alien language      
Chapters

Notes:

This is a DVD transfer of the Star Wars Special Widescreen Edition laserdisc by Technidisc. The framing error that caused an incorrect aspect ratio on the original release of this laserdisc in 1989 was not corrected for the '92 re-issue. It was instead rectified by a quiet repressing by Technidisc in 1993. This laserdisc also used a different source for its transfer than the 1989 & 1992 releases.

The film is the 1981 re-release version - the famous opening scene of the film was redone with a new crawl which featured: Episode IV - A NEW HOPE. The audio is the digital re-mix which first appeared on home video in 1985, which is very similar to the original 35mm Dolby Stereo but features a line of dialogue from C-3PO: “The Tractor Beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations…” a line which was first only heard on the original Mono mix, it was later reinstated in the 1997 Special Edition and subsequent versions.

Available on the newsgroup <span style=“text-decoration: line-through;”>and MySpleen, give me a PM or ask in this thread;</span> <span style=“text-decoration: line-through;”></span>http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Once-upon-a-time-on-MySpleen-Open-Registration-and-FREELEECH/topic/12652/<span style=“text-decoration: line-through;”> if you need an invite.</span> For more info regarding this preservation and LD visit: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Smear-free-93/topic/12190/

TK-949 said:
And in ESB after Yoda's Line "Du wirst Angst haben" came a little piece of music (as the Star Destroyer is shooting asteroids, also gone since 1997), which sounds like a fade out of another piece. Does anyone know what piece that was?

That's another part that have always been without music, IIRC another bold statement of the Imperial March was written for that scene and it can be heard on the soundtrack CD.

grisan said:

TK-949 said:

BTW another odd thing: The dianoga scene always had music, as long as I can remember, until 1997 with the SE the music was gone. But the GOUT didn't have the music either. For my version I'll add the music again.

After I read I this decided to check this on my german 1993 and 1995 Laserdiscs (can't check the 198 LD2, because my LD player can't play PAL analog audio). In both versions the music is present. However no other (english) version of Star Wars I checked has this music.

I checked rips of the following:

1982 US LD

1986 Japanese LD

1993 US DC LD

1995 US Faces LD

1995 French THX LD

2002 SE German TV broadcasts (Gkar)

2004 SE Offical DVDs german

2006 GOUT DVDs German and US

2 telecine bootleg copies of the pre 1981 release

Audio reconstructions of the mono and 70MM mix

Not a single one has any music in the scene with the diagona in the trash compactor.

So I am wondering what mix was the german theatrical sound mix based on?

I always assumed it was the dolby stereo mix because the german theatrical release also was in dolby stereo. The german version also had translations of lines that were missing in the original stereo mix but were present in the mono mix (C3PO's line about the power beams coupled in 7 locations).

 

Interesting about the difference in music-editing in the mix, is it the music Williams originally wrote for the Dianoga scene or something else? The actual music he wrote for that scene was later used for the added Mos Eisley footage in the Special Edition and can also be found on the soundtrack albums.

According to: http://www.in70mm.com/news/2003/star_wars/index.htm 

"For international release, a fourth format would be available for exhibition: 35mm four-track magnetic stereo."

My guess is that they used the four-track master as the base and continued to build on what they thought was necessary additions in the Mono mix like the tractor beam line, but it's really weird that it contains musical differences. Is the "Close the blast doors" in it as well?

TK-949 said:

Actually, there is a Matte of the Falcon in Echo Base, and a really bad one as well (or better, the composit is really bad):

 What is it about that composite that is so bad?

Asaki said:

Are you planning on doing the other two movies later? And which THX set are you doing, or do you mean THX 1138?

If I would it would only be Empire, I also have another SW unrelated project I plan to do first with SilverWook and yes I meant THX 1138.

I think the font "Univers" is correct for at least the episode and title in the crawls.

Sorry for being off topic, but do you guys happen to sit on any knowledge on how Lucas' first film THX 1138 got treated in Germany when first released. IMDB says it was first broadcasted in West Germany in 1978, the same year it was re-released in a restored version in US theaters. And this site: http://www.schnittberichte.com/schnittbericht.php?ID=709625 describes a slight difference in its presentation to how the '78 restored cut was. I'm interested in how your home video versions of this film was, if it was any different than the US/English cut before the 2004 DVD edit came out. The 1976 Italian release proved to be quite different and I'm just curious if it was the same with the German version. If you don't know anything about it just ignore me. ;) If you do know something about it, please let me know in this thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/THX-1138-preservations-Italian-Cut-available-see-1st-post/topic/11741/page/36/ Thanks, and sorry for interrupting your thread with this.