Who gives a shit about how these will look, these are not the films we're looking for anyway.
erri_wan said:
I'm quite excited about this project, I suppose it will have plenty of pictures too then (?).
Well, it is at least my desire to have a nice set of extras on an additional DVD perhaps. Otherwise we can always make a DVD-rom file to include them.
SilverWook said:
IIRC, the ebay auction has a bigger image of the record label. Maybe someone could put it over another picture of a 45 with a little photoshopping?
Tv commercials on 16mm were the standard until the 80's, so something could pop up on ebay.
Yeah, I could do a little photoshopping on it, in case we want a picture of it in a menu, thanks for the tip.
That would be nice, I guess we'll have to keep our eyes open then.
doubleofive said:
I'm way too inaccurate to do what I do. I always go by visual cues. Is there a way to get VLC to show the frame numbers?
I don't think that's possible with VLC, I actually cap them in the same way as you do, doubleofive, it was just this time I checked the GOUT frames in HCenc to help him out. And to be honest, I'm not even sure if my JSC-caps are exactly the same as my GOUT-caps.
The choking Admiral is: 34123
The 'conference call' scene is: 75235
LeeThorogood said:
msycamore I am certainly planning to have a go at doing an NTSC version but beyond that I can't promise anything.
That sounds great. :) I'm looking forward to see the results of this! NTSC version or not.
Darth Mallwalker said:
Still planning to look at the two scenes you asked about in Post 236.
Wanting to compare apples with apples, can you or Five tell me which GOUT frame numbers you're using for those two shots?
The choking Admiral looks like it might be 34139. Am I close?
The 'conference call' scene has so little motion that I won't even try to guess which GOUT frame it is...
Oh, I have no idea. I'll try to check that for you...
Yeah, this is real geeky obsessiveness alright, but it's strangely fashinating at the same time. ;)
SilverWook said:
Thanks for finding the radio spots, myscamore. Odd they didn't put them on the DVD or Blu. I guess we don't need that record now. ;)
Yes, it's a little odd, especially when they didn't mind to include other vintage material such as the original theatrical trailer even though it's for "a different film". Anyway, I'm glad we have them and they would be nice to include in our set. :) Oh, that reminds me, we should perhaps save the image of the actual record to include on a potential DVD-menu. ;) EDIT: well, the resolution wasn't that good. ;) TV-spots would also be great but that would be hard to track down, I guess, especially in good quality but you never know...
LeeThorogood, are you also planning to make NTSC versions available of these?
Thanks for the many screen-caps, Mallwalker! the traces of scanlines are much more visible in your DC - captures.
Yes, I have a hi-res scan of it, even though the scene is in the completed film I don't think the drawing shows up though.
The vintage radio spots for THX were actually posted for download on starwars.com at the time for the blu-ray release, the four spots are in mp3 format but the quality is excellent! :)
http://www.starwars.com/the_movies/other_lucas_films/thx_1138_radio_spots/index.html
They don't make them like they used to... :)
Nice! maybe you could get better results with that one than degrading the DVD footage. Probably the post SW cut, it looks like the approx. running time is 88 min (or 86) on the package, kinda cool to own anyway.
I found it in the forum of this site, http://www.kurtzjoinerarchive.com/index.html
a nice newly launched site that may be quite interesting to keep an eye on. I love these unfiltered vintage SW interviews, I had never seen that one before so I thought I would post it, glad you liked it.
Rare vintage Gary Kurtz TV-interview from '77
http://www.texasarchive.org/library/index.php?title=The_Carolyn_Jackson_Collection%2C_no._28_-_Interview_with_Gary_Kurtz%2C_Producer_of_Star_Wars&gsearch=star%20wars
That's great, I hope he can provide some info.
That Betamax tape is a cool find, SilverWook, never seen that one before, seems to be in pretty good shape.
It looks like the guy who posted this clip on youtube, owns the same cut as you do, erri_wan. Maybe we should try to contact him? Maybe he have some info regarding this rare cut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RTRKQkoQHg&feature=related
It's the ending of the film from an Italian version, which to my eyes looks very similar to your alternate opening clip in overall colors and contrast and it have Morris D. Erby titled as "Negro" in the credits, there's also a white cue mark visible at the end of the print.
On one hand I'm very excited and happy there's unique Donald Pleasence footage in this cut but on the other hand it makes it impossible to fully reconstruct this cut with widescreen footage from the Laserdisc.
For those who are still curious about this, Silverwook will send his THX files to me, and I'll begin to work on the subs as soon as I get them. Thanks again, SilverWook, and erri_wan for providing this rare gem! :)
Any updates on this great project? The Menu screen-cap you provided on the previous page does look a little dark, maybe there are lightning in it from thunder? (if your menu are that advanced, that is) Anyway, the design of it looks absolutely beautiful as your previous menu. :) By looking at the list on the huge amount of work you're doin, I'm drooling in anticipation!
The other mystery of course is this shot of the Shield Generator in the '93-video master, I thought I would check the DrGonzo-transfer again and compare it with the GOUT, and I don't know if you can notice it on these screen-caps or not but even though his transfer is much softer you can actually see some traces of scanlines in it, though they are hard to notice. (you can see them better in motion) But it's still very weird, you would think the scanlines would have been more visible when the difference between the transfers in the Emperor-hologram was so clear. It's still possible it could be an earlier version of the shot but I'm leaning towards a glitch of some sort in the '93-master, the detail that is gone along with the similar flaws of missing color that happens on several occasions in these transfers makes me believe it's a glitch.
'93 DC LD (DrGonzo DVD)
GOUT
'86 JSC LD
Darth Mallwalker, can you or someone else for that matter, check these two shots below on the '86 JSC LD or its later pre-THX US LD counterparts? The '92 VHS release also uses the same video-master, I guess. And check if the screen-display have just horizontal scanlines instead of the more familiar dots, and horizontal scanlines on the hologram instead of vertical ones? I'm still not entirely sure about this, it surely looks different in these two caps I've posted but I'd like to have it double-checked to be sure, at this point these two are the odd ones out of all the transfers I checked.
What is believed to be the 35mm Dolby Stereo for The Empire Strikes Back need to be preserved in lossless, dark_jedi. Please!!
The 35mm version definitely have them, the 70mm footage on Puggo's 8mm doesn't look like it have them, but I'm not so sure about it due to the low quality of that video.
Everything else in it is identical to the GOUT, also double checked my '95 PAL VHS and the Emperor scanlines are clearly defined in that transfer also, the other shots are still a mystery, that is perhaps until Mallwalker or someone else check their LD's for better image quality...
I have finally solved this Emperor scanline-mystery, it was as I initally thought could be the reason, the bad vertical detail caused by blurring in the GOUT. I got the idea to check an old copy of DrGonzo's Empire which are an old preservation of the Definitive Collection LD set from 1993, and behold...
It is quite sad when this old single layer DVD preservation of the Laserdisc that uses the same master as the GOUT have more vertical detail, and now we're only talking about the NTSC LD.