mrbenja0618

Bingowings said:

A) FACT so.

B) So what if he is real that doesn't make him automatically worthy of worship.

C) If your next door neighbour did this thing you'd phone the police, Killing someone in a horrid torturous fashion for something that someone who hasn't been born yet will inevitably do is not nice. It's sick! 

 

I'll give it a shot. 

This is the problem. You're taking God and making Him like us. He's not, He's God. You're using human measuring tape and trying to size up the creator of the universe who IS the standard of right and wrong, and you can't. Because you're human....Not God. You're equating our next door neighbor who like us sees things in beginnings and ends to God who sees the big picture that we don't see.

TV's Frink said:

mrbenja0618 said:

TV's Frink said:

Who confirmed God to you, if I might ask?

Several people to be honest. My grandfather was the greatest influence on me in that category. But at the risk of sounding crazy, (Too late?) my confirmation came from God Himself. When I pushed everyone's opinions to the side and approach Him on my own.

Honestly, this is where I get lost.  What was the actual process of approaching God?

Sorry for the delay, Frink.

For me, it was going into a room by myself with a bible, and shutting off the noise. No phones, tv, radio, whatever the distraction may have been I had to remove it. I learned that if my mind was busy, I was missing it.

I'm trying to explain this the best I know how, so please bear with me.

For me God speaks in thoughts. I fully believe he can speak as we do, but again, for me the way I'm talking about is the norm. Have you ever caught yourself having a conversation with yourself in your head. Perhaps you're debating an issue, trying to make a decision. For years I assumed I was conjuring both sides of the thought process, but then it hit me, I'm not. I'm debating with something else. In this case, God.

Now, I do believe in demons and angels, and believe they try to talk to you too. The danger is that demons will masquerade as light (God) and if you don't know how God talks (by studying the Bible) you could easily be duped. So with that I have experienced God talk in many ways, but those two being the most frequent ways He speaks. 

Another component that confirms His voice to me is if it follows with a peace inside. If i'm at peace, then typically that is His direction. Jesus said, "Peace I give to you." Not world peace mind you, but a peace inside that can't be explained (to me) outside of God. 

Warbler said:

I'd say it was rather nice of him to send down his one and only son to suffer and die on the cross for our sins. 

This.

NeverarGreat said:

I'd label it under a prequel rewrite/script adjustment, but I understand your distinction about re-editing vs scriptwriting. It's just sad to see the scriptwriting section get so little attention.

I used to participate in screenwriting threads, but then one day I checked my wallet, and realized I couldn't finance the re-shoot.... But hey, maybe Disney is listening???

TV's Frink said:

Who confirmed God to you, if I might ask?

Several people to be honest. My grandfather was the greatest influence on me in that category. But at the risk of sounding crazy, (Too late?) my confirmation came from God Himself. When I pushed everyone's opinions to the side and approach Him on my own.

Bingowings said:

And why worship the God from the Bible?

He's really not nice.

It's a bit like worshipping Captain Hook over Tinker Bell.

I worship God from the Bible because He has been confirmed to me. But that's for me. I've learned more and more that others need to have their own encounters outside of mine.

You say He's not really nice. And I honestly I can see where you would view it that way; but as I've gotten to know Him, I see it differently.

Saying God isn't "nice" is almost to me like saying He's not "fair". And He's not fair. But you see we're using one word to substitute another. For many "fair" means "right". It's not that way to me. Fairness is a human institution. Righteousness is God's.  He's not fair, but He is right, and if He's right, then His ways have to be good.

A lot of the things that happen in the Old Testament of scriptures is more about humanity not being able to live up to the standard of true righteousness. He had to punish sin because His pure righteousness wouldn't allow Him to not do so. If my daughter was kidnapped, raped, and killed; then it was proven in court that an individual 100% did these things; and then the judge just let him go free. I wouldn't call him a good judge. This is where I see God.. He must do what He must do, because otherwise He's not a proper/righteous God.

There is a standard to live by, and if we don't, there is a price. That's where Jesus of the New Testament comes in. God's contingency plan for humanity was redemption through the one human that was sinless. A true unblemished sacrifice. That was the only way God could give us a way out. But He's not nice, right? He had his son killed so we could find this spiritual loophole, but he's not nice?

And again, He's not fair. Fairness would be just to smite us all and call it day. But He didn't. He gave us Jesus. Thankfully He's not fair. But He is right. 

If any of this sounded sarcastic, I assure it wasn't intended as such. I actually do care about you and others on this board. If I didn't, I wouldn't even try.

Everything that I'm writing here is abridged information to be sure. If anyone on here wants to talk more on this one on one; that's what the PM system is for. Would be glad to talk with anyone about what I believe. 

Good golly, that was nice.

ESB never looked this good. Even when the colors were straight! 

darth_ender said:

I had a coworker who was an atheist and we had all sorts of conversations of this nature...quite stimulating. Ironically, I ran into him a couple of weeks ago and learned that he had since converted to Christianity, and this is a very intellectual person so no one can accuse him of being a simpleton).

Sounds a bit like C.S. Lewis who didn't convert very easy.

All wonderful plugins. PM at some point, will ya, aalenfae?

aalenfae said:

Mithrandir, I love your idea of using the Yoda line from the new TCW episode.
And what's even better - is that the line is almost music-free in the actual episode. Might make it really easy to use. 

I'm just afraid there won't be enough material to make Obi-Wan seem like he actually wants to bring Anakin back. As it is, I've slapped together a hodgepodge of lines from the EPIII video game (where Obi-Wan actually talks like he wants to help Anakin). Maybe I can kidnap Ewan McGregor and get him to record new lines for me, haha.

Little update:
Work on the prequels will come to a VERY slow crawl in the coming months.
Two reasons:

-I am going to be in Japan next year, and will only be able to do basic editing.

-I am working on a short film. It'd be awesome if everybody could back me on kickstarter:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1979983738/lily-a-short-film

Some of the budget is for some super-awesome software that I'll have afterward to make my Star Wars edits even better! So... there's some extra incentive, haha.

Good luck on the short film. I hope to contribute when I'm able. What is this super-awesome software you're trying to obtain?

If you haven't checked it out, you need to see the fanedit The Silent Menace. The reworked script made jar-jar work. 

I would love to see TPM re dubbed using his reworked dialogue.

chyron8472 said:

Monroville said:
What is interesting is that it looks like EMPIRE:R is going back to the look of the 2004 dvd (at least with the specific "Luke sees Obi Wan" scene):

Adywan's The Empire Strikes Back: Revisited - Lukes Rescue (go to 2:40)

EMPIRE:Revisited:

EMPIRE: 2004 dvd:

 

I don't understand what was wrong with this:

 

from the Youtube comparison.

 

The Revisited version looks great to me  there.

Looks excellent.

I don't write much on here,  but I do frequent.... I'm still just excited about this edit as I ever was. Looking forward to this release.

Keep pushing along, Ady. We'll be here when you get done.  

Bingowings said:

Which one?

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And you were right. He did draw from The Hidden Fortress.

timdiggerm said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Michaeldor said:

My storyline for C-3PO in TPM was:

1) He's on Trade Federation ship, everything is the same until...

2) In the scene, where Nute Gunray landed in Theed and says "ah, victory!" I imagined there would be perfect place to put TC (or 3PO). Now, he's appointed by Gunray to accompany the queen.

3) Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan free the queen with her handmaidens and 3PO goes with them to Tatooine and Coruscant.

In conclusion, at the end of TPM Trade Federation is defeated, Maul is dead, and C-3PO serves now Padme.

The idea of Trade Federation 3PO would be good if you redub Gunray with alien voice. He would translate Gunray's lines to Amidala and the rest of the Naboo folk.

By the way, hilts of Obi-Wan's TPM lightsaber is almost the same as Qui-Gons. The only difference are the little spikes at the end of Kenobi's hilt.

I appreciate your passion for a truly great character, but to me these movies already have way too much fan service as is. The only character I feel should be in the prequels is R2. R2 in A New Hope seems to already understand how to get around on Tattooine as 3P0 is lost. And I know they had that convenient scene in ROTS where he gets his memory erased, but I never understood why they didn't do the same with R2. Just dumb.
 

We already have R2, Jabba, Chewbacca, Greedo (in a cut scene) and I just read an article that a young Han Solo was originally supposed to be featured in ROTS in a scene WITH YODA!  

My problem is that with all these little winks and nods to the other films, it makes a galaxy that's supposed to be vast seem a lot smaller.

Long story, short (Too late?) I think Aalenfae is on the right path thus far. 

 

I definitely disagree. An original premise of SW was that it's told from the point of view of the little people, the droids, much like Hidden Fortress (at least, I think that's the source). Getting 3PO in at the beginning and having him serve the Queen thanks to the Federation hijinks allows for the Threeio/Artoo team to be formed in the first film (instead of forming, being broken up, re-forming, stupid battle jokes, etc) and removes the terrible Ani-built-him stuff. It's not a wink/nod; it's preserving a central theme/quality of the saga.

A wink/nod is Boba Fett at Mos Eisley.

That's a valid argument, but still doesn't change the fact that the prequels are a jumbled mess, and unless completely reshot will never begin with the two droids together.

Of course my question is, why in the prequels must the two droids have to be 3P0 and R2? Why not 2 gungans? Could have been interesting to see it from their view. Starting on Naboo as the invasion happens.

Again, a very valid argument, and I do agree with your point, but I suppose I got jaded by the mass of wink/nods that are all over the prequels. 

Michaeldor said:

My storyline for C-3PO in TPM was:

1) He's on Trade Federation ship, everything is the same until...

2) In the scene, where Nute Gunray landed in Theed and says "ah, victory!" I imagined there would be perfect place to put TC (or 3PO). Now, he's appointed by Gunray to accompany the queen.

3) Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan free the queen with her handmaidens and 3PO goes with them to Tatooine and Coruscant.

In conclusion, at the end of TPM Trade Federation is defeated, Maul is dead, and C-3PO serves now Padme.

The idea of Trade Federation 3PO would be good if you redub Gunray with alien voice. He would translate Gunray's lines to Amidala and the rest of the Naboo folk.

By the way, hilts of Obi-Wan's TPM lightsaber is almost the same as Qui-Gons. The only difference are the little spikes at the end of Kenobi's hilt.

I appreciate your passion for a truly great character, but to me these movies already have way too much fan service as is. The only character I feel should be in the prequels is R2. R2 in A New Hope seems to already understand how to get around on Tattooine as 3P0 is lost. And I know they had that convenient scene in ROTS where he gets his memory erased, but I never understood why they didn't do the same with R2. Just dumb.

We already have R2, Jabba, Chewbacca, Greedo (in a cut scene) and I just read an article that a young Han Solo was originally supposed to be featured in ROTS in a scene WITH YODA!  

My problem is that with all these little winks and nods to the other films, it makes a galaxy that's supposed to be vast seem a lot smaller.

Long story, short (Too late?) I think Aalenfae is on the right path thus far. 

I'm jumping in on this because I thought the last 2 episodes of TCW has been incredible. On all levels.

When Maul killed Satine, I said to myself, "Finally, this show grew a pair!"

Finally they did it right. We know Anakin, Obi-Wan and certain others can't be killed, so they needed to get us acquainted with new characters, make us care, and then kill one of them (at least) Now there is some tension in the show.

This last episode was better than the prequels combined. Proof that SW can be better outside of Lucas' creative hands.

Also, I think making some movies out of these is a great idea. I've often felt that you could make several films, and not just a trilogy. And this season we got several stories that intertwine that it's even more conceivable that you could create a true full length film experience.

aalenfae said:

I think I will release them all at once - like in a big bundle.

I don't want them getting separated, really - as they're supposed to go together. 

Though... that might be a long time to wait. 
I might change my mind xD

Change your mind. =) Keep us wanting more.

aalenfae said:

mrbenja:
Yeah - I always hated the "It's an invasion army!" line. Like... DUH! But... I want their line about warning the Naboo and contacting the chancellor, and it doesn't... feel right without the lead-in of "It's an invasion army!"

I'll see what I can do about the shield generator line, though!

ben_danger:
That's a unique idea. Though... I feel it wouldn't be profound in the end. It'd be Qui-Gon talking to JarJar, and that's hardly a noble entrance xD, haha.

 

Also today - a pseudo update!
I made some rough-draft classic-style Star Wars logos for my prequel edits!

And, yes -  I know Seciors used "Army of the Republic" for his Episode II edit, but... it's a term from the movie, and it's the one I want to use. Because no way, no how am I gonna use "Attack of the Clones"

I really like those.... Ready to see these. Are you going to release one at a time or all at once?

aalenfae said:

Sorry for the double-post! Here's the video!

http://vimeo.com/58325689

I'm just now getting to see this, so i realize my comments are incredibly late. Overall, this is the best edited opening I've seen of TPM. However, take this as food for thought.

I hate how Sidious is so painfully obviously Palpatine. I would suggest casting all his facial features in shadow. Also, maybe change the pitch of his voice so that is disguised as well.

Other than that, please consider removing all lines pointing out the obvious. "They have shield generators!" "It's an invasion army!" The audience already gets that it's an invasion army because the villain just ordered the invasion, and it looks very much like an invasion army even without the explanation.

However, even if you didn't make those changes this would still be my favorite opening I've seen so far.

Just go ahead and get done so we can watch it all.... Go ahead... Stop reading, and get to work. =)

brash_stryker said:

I'm guessing Kasdan and everyone else involved will want to forget the PT ever happened. I'm pretty confident that whilst Disney is known for sometimes making shlock, they're going into this with the mindset of "ok, George clearly has a mental illness and a severe case of narcissism, but let's take everything beloved about the franchise and apply it to this". Maybe they'll get it all wrong, but I don't think it could EVER be as bad as the prequels.

They hired Kasdan. I repeat, they hired Kasdan. Also, they hired Drew Struzan do the poster art. The mouse is trying, and it's clear they are going back to some roots that worked.

Nerdman3000 said:

Also, if the need ever arises and Adywan finishes the prequel trilogy, presumably around 2019 or 2020, does Adywan plan to do his own version of the sequel trilogy?

If he had the means to actually make his own movies, I think Adywan wouldn't be doing an edit of the prequels.

Or are you saying will he edit the upcoming Disney sequel trilogy?

I want to believe that the prequels can be fixed, but at the moment, I have a hard time accepting it can be done. I want to be wrong though.

I've said this elsewhere, but my opinion is that the only way to fix the films is to remake them. We've reached a time in history where someone other than Lucas owns Star Wars. They have an opportunity to fix what's broken, but it probably won't happen. They own it, but they most likely won't step on Lucas' toes by remaking his work. But who knows. My hope is that someone in charge will eventually have the guts to tell Lucas to take a step back and make this happen.

This is my hope anyway. They've already shown some intelligence when hiring Kasdan. That one thing makes me excited about the future of Star Wars. So again, who knows what may happen.

Disney, you will remake the prequels... You will.

Trooperman said:

Hello to everyone, I am sorry for disappearing again.  I am out of school now and I am currently trying to find investors for a real 35mm movie, rather than just re-editing. 

The long and the short with the recent dubs is that the voice is perfect, but I need more takes to work with.  There was only one take of each line which made sound synch nigh impossible, not to mention performance.  I will need at least 5 takes of each line. 

I need to get in touch with Henry again because I've lost the email I was previously communicating with- I apologize for being so badly in touch. 

 

If I ultimately can't finish this for good, I will probably upload the whole thing to vimeo in DVD quality and PM people the password, and maybe someone else can take the reigns or find inspiration for their own edits. 

But this has gone on so long that I would really like to finish it.  So I need to get more dialogue recorded, and then I can continue....

Were there pacing issues with his original audio work?

brash_stryker said:

I've been MIA from this thread from a while. I've just posted a few ideas on the Unofficial Revisited Saga thread which people may appreciate here. They retread some familiar ground but are at least somewhat different to ideas brought up here before:

Obviously you already know my feelings about Hayden Christensen and that I think he should be recast with another Anakin but there's another reason for this as I believe it's prudent to completely get rid of Jake Lloyd and that we meet Anakin as a teenager of Luke's age.

He won't be a slave either and will be living with his mother and brother Owen.

One thing that will change is there won't be podracers anymore. Driving a mechanical 'chariot' at floor level does not say 'pilot' to me, and Obi Wan says Anakin was already a great pilot when they met.

I'm struggling with the details of what point in the films Obi Wan will meet him, but I believe it should play out something like this.

Obi and crew are stranded on Tatooine. Perhaps their pilot is injured/dead. In any case, they need a pilot rather than a ship part. They ask in a cantina/shop if there are any pilots they can hire. Someone (perhaps Watto redubbed or with new subtitles) pipes up that they know of one - the best in the sector. "Where can I find him" Obi Wan asks.

Cut to the T-16 and another ship racing eachother through Beggar's Canyon. It weaves in and out between spires and there's a little bit of banter between the two over radio chatter. They are either brothers (in which case this other guy will be Owen) or friends. The other guy taunts him and Anakin pulls off some tremendous maneuver through a narrow gap, only just avoiding being crushed.

"Woooooooooo" he shouts in triumph and exhilaration - except this won't be from an annoying little kid, but a young adult whom we've already warmed to as a bit of a rogue. Anakin should always have filled the Han Solo type role in these movies and his arc ought to have been maturing and also learning the code of the Jedi which would have allowed for lots of conflict and disagreements with Obi Wan along with bits of humour. What a missed opportunity!

Anyway, having Anakin fly the same ship that Luke plays with a model of in ANH makes that scene into a nice little nod to the prequels without being too blatant. It's the kind of subtle touch I just love seeing in a film and a really good non-hamfisted way of unifying the two trilogies. He's playing with the model, almost like he could be reenacting a race we've seen before. I think it could be a nice moment and a nice nod. Perhaps he realises his father once piloted one and he treasures it, perhaps he's oblivious. Who knows.

Back to the prequel era. Obi Wan warms to Anakin and realises he is force sensitive. He asks him to come away with him on an adventure as they need all the help they can get against this new threat. (The Sith/The Clones etc). This to me fits the bill of dragging Anakin on an 'idealistic crusade'.

Anakin leaves the planet with Obi Wan. His brother Owen won't be happy about it and a bit jealous that Anakin has the Force and he doesn't. This would explain his apparent dislike of Obi Wan in ANH as "just a crazy old man".

The most similar example of this type of thing being done elsewhere is in Harry Potter where Harry's Mother, Lily is accepted to go to Hogwarts and Petunia, her sister who is not blessed with magic, is secretly jealous but reacts with anger, calling her a freak.

I appreciate these ideas require a lot of refilming, but that's what this thread is all about :)

I've been absent myself. But I'm a sucker a for a great ideas, and this is a great idea. Someone figure out how to get it done. =)