mrbenja0618

brash_stryker said:

I've been MIA from this thread from a while. I've just posted a few ideas on the Unofficial Revisited Saga thread which people may appreciate here. They retread some familiar ground but are at least somewhat different to ideas brought up here before:

Obviously you already know my feelings about Hayden Christensen and that I think he should be recast with another Anakin but there's another reason for this as I believe it's prudent to completely get rid of Jake Lloyd and that we meet Anakin as a teenager of Luke's age.

He won't be a slave either and will be living with his mother and brother Owen.

One thing that will change is there won't be podracers anymore. Driving a mechanical 'chariot' at floor level does not say 'pilot' to me, and Obi Wan says Anakin was already a great pilot when they met.

I'm struggling with the details of what point in the films Obi Wan will meet him, but I believe it should play out something like this.

Obi and crew are stranded on Tatooine. Perhaps their pilot is injured/dead. In any case, they need a pilot rather than a ship part. They ask in a cantina/shop if there are any pilots they can hire. Someone (perhaps Watto redubbed or with new subtitles) pipes up that they know of one - the best in the sector. "Where can I find him" Obi Wan asks.

Cut to the T-16 and another ship racing eachother through Beggar's Canyon. It weaves in and out between spires and there's a little bit of banter between the two over radio chatter. They are either brothers (in which case this other guy will be Owen) or friends. The other guy taunts him and Anakin pulls off some tremendous maneuver through a narrow gap, only just avoiding being crushed.

"Woooooooooo" he shouts in triumph and exhilaration - except this won't be from an annoying little kid, but a young adult whom we've already warmed to as a bit of a rogue. Anakin should always have filled the Han Solo type role in these movies and his arc ought to have been maturing and also learning the code of the Jedi which would have allowed for lots of conflict and disagreements with Obi Wan along with bits of humour. What a missed opportunity!

Anyway, having Anakin fly the same ship that Luke plays with a model of in ANH makes that scene into a nice little nod to the prequels without being too blatant. It's the kind of subtle touch I just love seeing in a film and a really good non-hamfisted way of unifying the two trilogies. He's playing with the model, almost like he could be reenacting a race we've seen before. I think it could be a nice moment and a nice nod. Perhaps he realises his father once piloted one and he treasures it, perhaps he's oblivious. Who knows.

Back to the prequel era. Obi Wan warms to Anakin and realises he is force sensitive. He asks him to come away with him on an adventure as they need all the help they can get against this new threat. (The Sith/The Clones etc). This to me fits the bill of dragging Anakin on an 'idealistic crusade'.

Anakin leaves the planet with Obi Wan. His brother Owen won't be happy about it and a bit jealous that Anakin has the Force and he doesn't. This would explain his apparent dislike of Obi Wan in ANH as "just a crazy old man".

The most similar example of this type of thing being done elsewhere is in Harry Potter where Harry's Mother, Lily is accepted to go to Hogwarts and Petunia, her sister who is not blessed with magic, is secretly jealous but reacts with anger, calling her a freak.

I appreciate these ideas require a lot of refilming, but that's what this thread is all about :)

I've been absent myself. But I'm a sucker a for a great ideas, and this is a great idea. Someone figure out how to get it done. =)

Bingowings said:

Sadly it's too late to ask Ralph that question.

Even more interesting.

Bingowings said:

My contribution to the ROTS Vader debate :

Kinda cool. But why does he have the Last Airbender arrow?

adywan said:

If you have the Sarlaac as a huge beast in a rocky canyon then you would have to get rid of the Rancor sequence otherwise you are just repeating the same type of beast sequence within a very short time

This.

These sarlaac ideas are interesting, but which CG wizard here is going to make this happen? Not trying to be a naysayer, but I'm really curious on the hows. 

And Michael Caine did somehow wind up in Jaws: The Revenge.

Good point. I guess in a way it's like my kids. I know how great they are; so when they make mistakes it bothers me because I know it was beneath them to do so. Kind of a "what we're you thinking" moment.

muddyknees2000 said:

Bingowings said:

If only he could replace Grievous.

Grievous never should have replaced Christopher Lee to begin with.

I'm still amazed that Christopher wanted to be in the movies after he read the script.

Christopher Lee: "You mean to tell me, Dooku gives away the fact that the Sith infiltrated the senate and the Jedi never investigate? Seems legit! Sign me up!

muddyknees2000 said:

mangojango said:

Loving the concept of reordering the film so that it is Darth Vader post-suit that attacks the temple and using the Mcquarrie prototype helmet, but looking down that page at the photos it, the most striking one is the image of the mask without the helmet.

http://www.starwarshelmets.com/2010/SWH_RMQ_Vad10.jpg

I quite like that look actually......somewhat reminiscent of the clone troopers...which would almost make sense.....and then of course Vader changes it over time. 

Ditto.

I thought this was pretty interesting. The quality is horrible, and it needs a bit more dialogue, but they are pretty much correct in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDOKFSDDk8M

aalenfae said:

Haha, glad you think so.

I used that process on some other Geonosis scenes, and it's looking fantastic. It's amazing how much more real the Geonosis scenes look without the orange haze.  

It does... Now you have to fix the story structure which is more like a purple haze. =)

aalenfae said:

Haha, yeah. The reddish/orange wash just looks fake, really.

I basically just desaturated the reds and yellows, which got rid of the wash. Then I used levels to push the shadows more towards blue, and away from the nasty mix of red and green they were before. 

Then I think I generally desaturated the entire scene.

Yeah. That whole film needs to be desaturated. Great work again.

Of course it's better. The reds aren't making my eyes go bloodshot. What was your process?

Mithrandir said:

 

Looks like Disney has been here all througout the years...

 

Ooh sneaky...

Maybe send a workprint on Dec. 20. Just in case the Mayans and George Lucas are right about the end of days. Oooh, do you think ole George will be a tad upset about his recent $4 billion sale on Dec. 23 when we're all still here. ;)

MrInsaneA said:

Bingowings said:

 

I remember seeing a set photo back in the day of the Federation tank and it seemed to be positioned near some Tatooine props because somehow I started speculating that the droid army would invade there which would explain the strong dislike of droids shown in the Cantina scene of ANH and possibly why there were so many for the Jawas to make a living out of salvaging.

I wonder if it would be possible to have the invasion on the desert world and transfer some of the effects to that location.

It would be dramatic to have the fighters swooping down after the podrace and have Qui-gon running to the ship shielding the boy from blasts only to be stopped by Maul.

Naboo could be the next in world targeted or the first world targeted and Tatooine is raided to flush out the Queen.

It would also explain why the Jedi don't allow Anakin to rescue his mother as she she would be on an occupied planet, on of many come AOTC.

The Geonosian scenes could then become scenes on an occupied Tatooine and Anakin would then help liberate his own people as per his childhood dreams. 

 

Shiiiyyyeetttt, this is genius. You all seeing this? This is genius. 

It's a great idea, and probably how the movie should have gone, but not sure how possible it is in a fan edit scenario.

Trooperman said:

I am still here.  *hangs head in shame at lack of progress*

I have not checked my SW email in a few months; I am sorry for not responding, but glad to see Henry is still around and not too peeved with me. He has done an AWESOME job on this and I hope once we finish these tracks, it will become the new go-to for future fan editors. 

 

There is no contract, haha; the idea was always that anyone could freely take material from anything I have done, just like I have taken ideas from other people.

 

I have been very busy with a combination of a difficult family issue and my final semester of school (plan to graduate in Dec. of this year if all goes well). 

I still have all of the project files on a couple of hard drives though.  Even if I am not able to finish this to technical standard, I can still send the drives to someone who can. 

 

I am still floored by this Episode 7, 8, and 9 news.  If they look like they will be good, that only makes it more imperative that we fix up the prequels as best we can (esp. since Disney may start cracking down on this sort of thing).

Good to see ya back, T-man. Looking forward to more SW, just hope it doesn't cause our little group to dig deeper underground.

hlmactiii said:

brash_stryker said:

Fantastic. It sounds great. :-D

Now then, the real question is, how much NEW dialogue you've recorded for TM - because that's the important stuff. To really get the most out of an edit, we need the entire original script redubbed and then additional rewrites that can either be skilfully placed over similar looking lip movements, or spoken when the camera doesn't show Hayden's face.

When you do release this entire redub, there's a very real danger of you being inundated with "I wrote this new line, can you record it for me?" requests so that it can be tailored for individual edits. Please consider this a pre-emptive apology for the inevitable request from myself :-p

Superb work, my friend.

 

Well, I actually haven't recorded any new dialogue. I finished recording all original dialogue in mid August and sent it to TM. I've been waiting for an update on new dialogue since. He also planned to release all the original dialogue on their own.

Haha well, I guess I should have seen that coming. It was a lot easier to record during the Summer when I was just working, but now that I'm back at college for the next two months, I'll only be able to record on weekends for the most part. But now worries, I've already put so much work into this that I'm committed to anything to come in the future. And thanks for the compliment!

Just now chiming in. Great to meet you, and don't worry about taking too long. These projects tend to take a great deal of time to get right anyway. Loving your voice work too.

MTHaslett said:

Hey, this is a nice surprise!

Your story about showing your edit to a casual Star Wars fan really got me. I think that kind of fun is why these edits get made. I'm glad that happened! I haven't shown anyone this cut since it's still rough, but I have been tempted. There are lots of friends of mine who utterly hate the Prequels and have never given a fan edit a try. I look forward to blowing some folks away with this one.

I hope everything is going well in the Trooperman household! Glad you're back at it.

Do you know something we don't know? Is t-man back at it? He's been MIA for a good long while. =/

ben_danger said:

mrbenja0618 said:

I bet Katie Lucas is pissed.

$4,000,000,000

True, but still...  We all know Lucas was already not hurting for coin. 

I think Katie showed great promise with her contributions to The Clone Wars. Kinda wanted to see what she would have done. I always assumed, she would inherit the empire.

But yeah... $4 billion.  

I bet Katie Lucas is pissed.

Bingowings said:

According to Adywan he is pulling those films to bits. This isn't an exclusively Adywan thread but I'm really looking forward to those project and hope the Disney thing doesn't get in the way. Hopefully the sequel trilogy will be so good that Ady won't need to touch them.

Disney has NO excuse to make a bad Star Wars movie. They have access to some amazing filmmakers, PIXAR, in my opinion has the best writers and they NEED and SHOULD take advantage of that situation. Now, what would really make me smile is if they announce a reboot of the prequels... Doubt it though.

nightstalkerpoet said:

Don't go all in. Don't forget Cars 2 :/

I didn't even bother to watch Cars 2. Ok, so they have ONE bad film. But I've heard Brave was surprisingly good, and freaking WALL-E was a amazing film. Pixar for the most part is a win to me.

nightstalkerpoet said:

From Ady on Facebook:

It is a dark time for Star Wars fan editors and will most likely be the end of the revisited saga.........

As you have probably heard , Disney have purchased Lucasfilm and the complete Star Wars franchise. Disney are well known for not taking kindly to anyone touching anything they own. So i expect a cease and desist notice any time soon. Hopefully this will not be the case, but it looms a lot cl

oser than when George owned the franchise. This news couldn't have come at a worse time as i am nowhere near finishing the house or even being able to start the workroom thanks to my finances running out due to extra work i have had to do. With Christmas coming up along with the new arrival of my gorgeous grandson on the 27th October, there is no way i can restart work on ESB:R until after Xmas when i have paid off a few of the bills. I'm now preying that the bad news doesn't come my way at any time in the near future, hopefully never.

So i think we may now need to prepare for some bad news :(

 

Could be bad and good. Potentially bad for this project, and lets hope nothing happens here, but on the side of the coin, we could be in for some better Star Wars films. If they announce some of the writers at Pixar are involved, I'm all in.

I'm going to give my thoughts as i go through this.

First off, kudos for taking this on.

1. The opening sequence that you nabbed from that fan-film. I understand why it's there; I assume you want to have some form of an action opening. But I don't know what's going on there. What ship was that? Are we to assume that's a rebel ship Vader blew out of the sky? We need more information. Such as a conversation between officers talking about Vader blasting anything out of the sky that remotely looks like a rebel ship. Again, not sure how to fix that, but it's a confusing opening as is.

2. My other problem is the sequence where the Emperor flies to the Eclipse. It's a scene that isn't needed. It doesn't push the story forward. We already know the Emp. is coming as per Vader; so it's just unnecessary and does nothing really for the story. However the shots of coruscant are quite nice and I would love to see those implemented elsewhere.

3. The Eclipse shot approaching the death star is really really bad. And again not needed. I think original shots work fine by themselves.

4. This isn't a deal breaker for me, but I'm not loving Jabba's new dialogue and mainly for one reason. You make him to be quite stupid, and that's not his character. The reason Luke's mind trick doesn't work on him is because he isn't weak-minded. Just food for thought.

 Now what I do like... I like the way you re-edited. I like the rearrangement of scenes.

What I loved? The scene where Vader is connecting to Luke and the whole integration of that deleted scene. Nice work.

Mostly in this first part, you have more good than bad. I'm just listing the things I had issues. But again, there is more going right with this than wrong.

I'll write more as I watch more. Thanks!