mrbenja0618

sonofjones said:

Okay, first off, it's not even close to the same thing. The Man with no name was supposed to be nameless (and even then the good the bad and the ugly called him blondie), second Boba Fett is clearly supposed to have a name, but the movie fails to mention it at any point. It dosen't come off as them trying to add to a mysterious character so much as forgetting to mention his name. He's obviously meant to be named, but you have to have outside resources to actually know it.

 I think it's backwards. Boba Fett didn't need to be named. He needed to be the mysterious stranger, and if anything ROTJ screwed by naming him.

Not sure how it's obvious he should have been named either.

To me this is a non issue. No offense meant. Just my simple opinion.

brash_stryker said:

Lemonstein said:

You're not asking for permission to use the other 99% of what you're using, so why bother with this?

Because using Empire itself, being the whole point of the project afterall, is a given. 

Stealing elements from other people's work on the other hand isn't really right.

This.

kristarwars said:

brash_stryker said:

kristarwars said:

No, but this is the era of digital technology, CGI, and there's a couple little somethings called stand-ins and stunt doubles.  It could be done, easily.

No, it couldn't. 

Unless you think CGI has advanced far enough to make a convincingly realistic and expressive dancing Carrie Fisher, then that's a load of crap. You can only get away with so much with cutaways and body doubles. The entirely new aspects of the scene as you've written it involves seeing Leia's face and expressions.

They've done it like a million times from way back in the days of The Crow and up through Tron: Legacy: taking a current star (or actor/stunt double/etc.) and superimposing another (and sometimes younger) face on them.  Even Episode I had Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson's faces superimposed over their stunt doubles for a couple of shots.  I'm sorry, but they can totally do it.

Really? Really? This is a conversation we are having? Do I have to dignify things by arguing this?

No. No, I do not. Thanks for the chuckle though. 

brash_stryker said:

Bingowings said:

If he is unaware what he is doing and genuinely insane

That's actually why it doesn't work for me. You're essentially talking about him being schizophrenic, and in my opinion that cheapens his fall and seduction for me. We don't want Anakin to be good all along and just not being able to help what he initially. We want him to be good, then bad, which adds that weight to his fall and subsequent redemption.

At least, that's how I see it....

Ditto.

ThomasBolt said:

Yes I could Download an HD version of TPM but on my computer it takes so long down load a torrent file through bit torrent. I'm sure that experience is typical.

If you have a hard time downloading a torrent, what happens when this edit is complete and you have to upload it? How will you distribute if you have a slow connection?

We want you to succeed but you need to heed the warnings being given to you. If you want anyone to actually view this. 

However, your biggest problem is that you seem to be using dial up I guess? You need to fix that first, before any of this matters. 

brash_stryker said:

I've been mulling the prequels over (AGAIN!) and trying to conciliate what's possible in editing/reshooting with what we know from the OT pre 1999, and I think I've come up with my most practical idea to date, whilst still keeping the reveal in ESB. It's a combination of existing ideas from myself and other members, most notably Bingowings' dissociative fugue concept - at least he's the first person I remember bringing this up.

Basically, when Obi Wan takes Anakin on as a student (Obi is not a student himself and Qui Gon, if he exists in said edit, is just a fellow Knight), we would have one of the council members make reference to Obi Wan's previous failed student. This could be done through filming new human council members (something the prequels sorely need) or alternatively through redubbing. They could elaborate and say the student turned to the dark side, but "failed" works also. This sets it up from the get go that Obi had an apprentice so we can immediately reference that line in ANH "Was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" and assume it's this person.

Then when we meet Darth Maul, who either remains nameless or is called Darth VADER. It's revealed through redubbing or creative re-editing of existing dialogue that HE is the failed apprentice. Maul/Vader still kills Qui Gon, Obi still cuts him in half, but we get some kind of hint that he's not dead - whether it's shot of him dragging his torso away after his fall down the shaft or a full on rebuilding scene where you see him get some robot legs attached or even put in the Darth Vader suit. There are a lot of variables to consider and they all depend on resources available when shooting.

In the next film/s, Grievous would be scrapped in favour of Vader in full costume. 

This is the point at which I'm not sure whether it's practical or doable, but Anakin would fight VADER. Footage of Anakin fighting (Dooku, Obi, droids, whoever) would have to be roto'd out and creatively superimposed into footage of costumed Vader swinging his saber (which would require the costumed actor to be fighting thin air).

Obviously, it would be really difficult to get them to appear to interact convincingly so you'd have to weigh up whether it would be better to just film a new Anakin actor (seeing as we're so limited by the Anakins we have anyway). That's more into the realms of a refilming rather than a re-edit with refilmed elements though, so I'll shut up about that for now. 

In the Duel, Vader taunts Anakin with threats that after he's done with him, he'll kill his master and his loved ones. Anakin strikes Vader down in a rage. 

He walks away.

The scene may get a bit 'visiony' like the 'force cave' in ESB. (or change in some way to make it seem surreal, like something isn't quite right)

Anakin turns just in time to see Vader rise up behind him and raise his saber.

We cut away to hear Anakin scream and then silence.

This is the point at which Anakin "dies" and "becomes" Vader, though the viewer doesn't know it at this point.

A first time viewer would think that Vader actually killed Anakin. A viewer who already knows will see it as a force-vision and an allegory all in one. Anakin, in giving into his hate, has taken up the mantle (and costume) of the Dark Lord.

From this point on, we see Vader committing atrocities in costume and no one need be any the wiser....

This is much much better than what we got.... Let's get this done? =)

nightstalkerpoet said:

 

Also, if footage is used from the LD, I would hope that a way can be found to include the Luke/Lightsaber footage. I understand the desire for best possible picture quality, but that isn't always possible, and Harmy's Despecialized should be a good indicator that people can still be extremely satisfied, despite the varying quality of source material.

I actually never liked that cut scene to be honest. I know we get excited because it's new to us and all that jazz, but I understood why it wasn't used. The scene kills all mystery of the green blade. Before the prequels the reveal of that green blade was an awesome moment for me. At the time it symbolized the new age of the Jedi. Using the scene would kill that moment and build up. I don't need it spelled out to me that Luke built the lightsaber. 

However, I think Fox still owns the distribution rights of all the previous films.

Possessed said:

George has given his blessing to fan films, so I'm sure a fanedit he can at least stomach without having to do anything.  If the prequels tell us anything, George is lazy.

George also doesn't own Star Wars anymore. It's mouse ears we need to watch for now.

DominicCobb said:

Also there's the possibility, since they're linked, that LFL becomes aware of Revisited. That could potentially be awesome, but who knows. 

I'm sure it's way more than a possibility that they know about it.

I personally love the idea. I know we had the death of Anakin already, but ROTJ otherwise felt way too safe. I want the original version of "Revenge of the Jedi" where Han dies and Luke walks away into the sunset (or something that rhymes with that idea.)

The current ending is way too happy and safe. I for one applaud this idea, and hope it isn't a joke. I'd even say kill Han off if it weren't for the fact he's in Ep. 7.

Akratus said:

How's this for radical?

Make the jedi council and the republic the villains.

Make the Seperatists/Dooku the good guys.

The federation would be the beginnings of the seperatists, replacing sidious with dooku and replacing the dialogue it is set up that they attack naboo (changed to alderaan) in a political gambit, a desperate attempt to defy the fascistic leaders of the republic.

Qui-Gon Gin's actions in the movies have always been arrogant and counter-productive. We could explain this by making him an egotistical typ of character.

Think about this: The Sith have been extinct. They were hiding of course we know that, but there aren't many. The council believed them to be extinct. So the jedi are the only force users for hundreds if not thousands of years. And then there's a prophecy to bring balance to the force. And they think that would be in their  favor!

It's all a perfect set up to switch the roles around, I would say.

Count Dooku's death in the third movie would have meaning to it, the story would be more emotional as the seperatists lost more and more, resulting in an utter defeat and complete ruination of the republic. 

It's like with the rebels in the ot, but it goes the other way.

This is an old idea. Also, to me it's the holy grail of prequel concepts. In fact I dare say it's amazing that Lucas didn't see this obvious idea.

I want to see the idea become a reality, and Ep. 2 is the easiest to begin the idea by simply making Dooku a rogue Jedi that saw where the Republic was going and decided the only way to deal with the situation was to oppose the republic. It even makes the Obi-Wan Dooku scene make sense when he reveals there is a sith in the senate.

The biggest obstacle for me is that there is no real payoff in Ep. 3. Or at least I can see how to make there be a payoff. Dooku dies in the first 15 minutes and in order for this idea to work there needs to be a "a-ha" moment where you learn that Dooku was a good man all along. But I can't see how to get that done.

I want to be wrong. Anyone have a different thought? 

Great to hear from you. Maybe one day we can pick this up again. =)

TV's Frink said:

Will this ever get finished?

 

Unlikely.

As a Christian, that is crazy. And upsetting I may add.

mrbenja0618 said:

Bingowings said:

It wouldn't make much sense.

It makes more sense that Dooku appear on the council in TPM (physically or in holographic form) and Sidious remain Palpatine, otherwise where does Palpatine's rise as a powerful force using dictator come from?

That shouldn't change, just not so in your face like it was in the prequels. By having Dooku be "The Phantom Menace" you have a more interesting reveal in ep. 2. Palpatine was way too obvious. He would still play both sides the same way he always had, just not all stupid-like. Why the heck would you risk showing off your face in a hologram like that??? While you're looking at Dooku as "The almighty villian" you get taken back when he's killed so quickly in 3 allowing Palpy to make his rise to power.... And making it far more interesting.

Not to mention this way is far more feasible than trying to shoehorn Dooky into the council meeting where he has no spoken lines at all.

Bingowings said:

It wouldn't make much sense.

It makes more sense that Dooku appear on the council in TPM (physically or in holographic form) and Sidious remain Palpatine, otherwise where does Palpatine's rise as a powerful force using dictator come from?

That shouldn't change, just not so in your face like it was in the prequels. By having Dooku be "The Phantom Menace" you have a more interesting reveal in ep. 2. Palpatine was way too obvious. He would still play both sides the same way he always had, just not all stupid-like. Why the heck would you risk showing off your face in a hologram like that??? While you're looking at Dooku as "The almighty villian" you get taken back when he's killed so quickly in 3 allowing Palpy to make his rise to power.... And making it far more interesting.

Akratus said:

Replace Hologram Sidious in Episode 1 with Count Dooku.

This easily can be achieved by leaving the dark hood, blacking out his face, and then changing the pitch of his voice.

Not sure The Phantom Edit is available in HD. Have you taken a look at the numerous (some that in  my opinion have surpassed The Phantom Edit) Ep. 1 edits? Many of them have the original crawls, as well as far better redesigned crawls.

emanswfan said:

Mithrandir said:

Aalenfae and I are trying to reach some sort of solution for the Tattooine sequences in AOTC, though it might be difficult to make it work. The general idea is to leave Tattooine for the end of the movie where clearly a timeleap is established.

Basically it would be implied that Anakin has returned to Tattooine before/has been in contact with his mother all these years, and he knows where she's living currently.

The conflict now would be duty vs feelings. Anakin would be dreaming all throughout the movie about his mother, however he constantly denies his emotions and keeps being attached to his misions. By the end of the movie, when released from assignment, he goes to Tattooine and finds out he was too late and Shmi is dead.

There are some things and mentions in the movie that can't be erased without major changes and reshooting. However, if reduced to the minimum, they pass from being key, to anecdotic.

That's certainly an interesting idea, I see how that could work with the existing footage.  Now, that you mention it, it might be a really good idea I could utilize in my edit...

It's a fascinating idea, but how are you going to address the fact that he would be missing a hand by this point?

aalenfae said:

Alllllllrighty guys!
Here's some progress I've made on TPM!
Finally something that's not very actiony.

Here's the heroes arriving at Coruscant in TPM.
This is essentially my first run-through with editing, so expect more changes and streamlining along the way.
http://vimeo.com/71182240

That's some good cuts. Did you also change the pitch of Natalie's voice?

brash_stryker said:

obikal said:

Anyone else a little uncomfortable with the coke bottle sticking out of his torso...?  ;)

It's to attach to his COLAstomy bag.

Ba-dum Dum-Ting!

Really excited to see one of our oldest fan editors back in the mix. Excited to see what you cook up.

If you need any help I would be glad to when possible.

adywan said:

Lord Haseo said:

Has anyone else noticed that Adywan taking out the Darth Vader scenes in ROTS doesn't keep the "No, I am your father" reveal a secret until ESB? I've read on facebook that the last we see of Anakin in ROTS is when he's on that medical stretcher thing on Coruscant after he was beaten by Obi-Wan. We can obviously assume that he survived without being shown how he exactly got put into the suit. Plus, before Vader and Obi-Wan duel Vader says " I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master." Anyone with half a brain can come to the conclusion that Vader is Anakin. Also, when Aunt Beru says "He has too much of his father in him." and Uncle Owen responds "That's what I'm afraid of." you don't think anyone is going to come to the obvious conclusion that Vader is Luke's father after Obi-Wan and Vader's conversation if they are watching this in order? 

Where on facebook did you read that, because i'm pretty sure i haven't said that at all because that was never in my plans. What i have said is the last we will see of Anakin is after the duel and he is lying still, presumed to be dead. There will be a lot of new stuff filmed for the prequels. This will not just be an edit using existing footage. It's impossible to do what i want to do if i was to go down that route. I've figured out a way of Obi-wan having a pupil that has turned to the dark side and that's why Yoda is reluctant for him to train Anakin. I've also figured out a way of introducing Vader in ROTS without being able to connect him to Anakin. The reveal can be left intact. Yes, anyone that has already seen all the films will know of course, but fresh viewers who know nothing about the story, won't. It's actually such an easy fix (well i say easy, but extra scenes have to be filmed) that Lucas could easily have done this without ruining the OT. All that was needed was to throw in a few curve balls to throw the audience off. He could easily have introduced the suited vader without us knowing he was Anakin. It was just pure fanwank the way it was handled. After all, the Emperor had a different apprentice each episode, it became a villain of the week sort of thing.

That really got me excited about your prequel work.

TV's Frink said:

So...did anyone bother?

No. I had to wash my hair.

Bingowings said:

As far as I can make out the 'forums' are a couple of pages of rants against Frink and Benja accusations that Ady is money grabbing fraud and occasional complements made to to the forum members who may be me (not owning up to anything there).

In short it's basically one person talking to me and he might be me too.

Weird.

I'd like to take this moment to point out that Frink is viewed as a much bigger jerk than me over there..... For now. ;)