mrbenja0618

Look forward to footage.

A clone of Luke... Was that correct?

Besides Obi-wan says he was a pilot in ROTJ... So it works regardless.

And it's back up. =)

Frink has been thwarted again.

I was wanting to check on Bob's Ep. 3 edit again.

Hope that's all it is.

I think if someone would just write a draft, maybe we could take it from there.

I noticed it's down this morning. Anyone have a clue?

Always love talking about it... Please share!

Well, I'll just have to hear it in the film. Regardless, if it's seamless, that's great in itself.

A-man, how is work coming?

Welcome to the boards David!

Again I say... Looking forward to this.

Timstuff said:

I'd be all for inserting some Z-95s into ROTS. Also, some Clone Wars era Y-wings would be pretty kick ass too.

BTW, I finally figured out how to get 5.1 audio to work in Adobe Premiere, and so it looks like I might be able to get started on my fan edit soon. This weekend/monday I'll probably try to see about doing some color correction on The Phantom Menace, since that will be an important component to my edit.

What I want to know is if you figured out a way to replace music. But look forward to hearing more about your edit.

Are you doing the 3D animation? If so, what software?

Wowsers... Incredible work Ady...

Rogue Leader said:

TV's Frink said:

BarBar Jinkx said:

he doesn't remember her She does! I know its all a bit conveluted

If you're going for something symbolic, I can kind of see it.  If you want it to show why Leia remembers Padme, well...I guess I don't see that.

Keep in mind that you're dealing with Force-sensitive kids. Leia should be born first to enforce continuity there at the very least for her to remember Padme in ROTJ ("she was very beautiful, kind... but sad", which could just be her feelings reinforced by Force Sense, maybe she wasn't even talking about physically beautiful or maybe Bail showed her a holo of Padme at some point... you know they kinda did know each other? That small detail could be retconned outside of the movie.)...  It's a small fix but a valid one.

Exactly.

Bingowings said:

Why are the Naboo making clones in the first place?

Is it just an arms race thing where they feel they need to have them because the Federation have battle droids?

Have they been hit by some disease making natural child birth particularly dangerous to them?

Are they running a Brantisvogan escort agency?

Just for the sake of being able to do so. Let's be honest, when some scientists decide to do something, they do it for the sake of discovery....

With the Naboo, they may have had honorable intentions... But the government usually doesn't. It's not a stretch in the least that they would take possession.

Kinda like project: Genesis in Star Trek 2. They found they could create life, so they did it.... And then someone else decided to use it as a weapon... Exactly what would be happening here. Like Ming says, it gives this weak movie an actual plot.

Leia remembering her mother, doesn't bother me so much... Always thought that her memory could be heightened by the force being strong in her family.... So, yeah, Padme dying before Luke is born could explain why he doesn't recall, and she does.

Bingowings said:

In terms of using what already exists on film it's more problematic than my idea of having the Neimoidians trying to reclaim a planet they were kicked off from centuries ago by the Naboo.

Cutting the Gungans out of the film leaves a big hole with not much to fill it with either.

We don't see any evidence of cloning in TPM, we don't see much evidence of hardly anyone on Naboo for that matter. You can't just shift material from AOTC in there either because then you make an even bigger hole the next time around.

It is surprising how through a mixture of re-dubbing and editing how less stupid the Gungans become.

Naturally it would be ideal to replace them with something totally different and this is the radical redux thread so I'm all for ideas on how to do that but it might be more practical to make what's already there work better.

 

Honestly, I won't miss the Gungan hole. At all... A 30 minute movie without them is better that a 2 hour movie with stupid filler. But honestly, it wouldn't be that drastic...

The only evidence we have to see is the shot I mentioned that could be created. It doesn't have to be complicated... I'm not saying take the whole shot from AOTC. I'm saying cut out little pods, and paste them in the naboo shot.....  And have Palpatine standing before them. Not hard either. It's one shot, and spells out everything.

You don't have to have clones running around everywhere. Just that shot... The next movie takes it to the next level... Ming is right.

You could explain in the AOTC crawl that after the battle of Naboo, The Republic took possession of the technology.

I honestly think this could work.

Rogue Leader said:

mrbenja0618 said:

Rogue Leader said:

mrbenja0618 said:

That's interesting. Sounds like a much stronger plot in my opinion.

 

What's the end result though... Does the Federation obtain what they are looking for? How does the whole thing play out, and how can we make it all happen with the existing footage.

 

Oh, and I've been scarce lately, but welcome to the boards Ming! Look forward to getting to know you! =)

 

Well overall, I think a "cloning arc" is the strongest direction Episode 1 can come from and actually give the overall story a real direction (since as of right now Episode 1 HAS NO DIRECTION). In the end the real end game for Episode 1 should of be the acquiring of cloning tech or something related to that and taken to Kamino so that by Ep. 2 you see what the "Phantom Menace" really was. The Sith have used deception to get what they want and then trigger a "war". However, if you look at it... The war is contrived and not real, the only real loses are Jedi which was the Sith's intention from the start. The final destruction of the Jedi Order by the end of ROTS along with the final fall of one of it's greatest Jedi Knights, Anakin Skywalker.

Other than civilian casualties in which we never see what's being lost in the galaxy? Droids? Who cares... Clones? Ethical eugenic debates aside... who cares? They're copies... The true tragedy in all of this is the Jedi Order who have been the guardians of the Republic from the start and in the end deceived and nearly wiped out by Sith deception via CLONES. What's also interesting however is how the Sith use the truth as a weapon. Dooku tells Obi Wan exactly what's going on within the Republic during his "interrogation" scene:

Count Dooku: What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of a dark lord of the Sith? 
Obi-Wan: No, that's not possible. The Jedi would sense it. 
Count Dooku: The Dark Side has clouded their vision. Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith lord called Darth Sidious. 
Obi-Wan: I don't believe you. 

Overall the lines of what's darkside and lightside start to blur. Jedi become Sith (Dooku, Anakin, etc...). Good can no longer sense the Darkside even in their own midst... The Grand Army of the Republic turns on their own Generals, the Jedi Knights and the Sith manipulate both armies to destroy Jedi and place them in no win scenario: Order 66.

Cloning should of been in introduced in Episode 1 for the start. Episode 2 was it's main escalation and implementation for the Jedi to be set up in a huge trap aka "The Clone Wars" and Episode 3 should of been the Sith end game for the destruction of the Jedi and the fall of one of it's greatest Knights.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense actually. lol

 

I agree with what you're saying... Just trying to figure out how to make this actually work.

 

Wouldn't be interesting if the area where the lightsaber fight occurs could be a cloning testing area.... We could take portions of the Kamino edition and use those elements to add little clone pods to that fight scene.... And then maybe at the end, show Palpatine alone in that area... Maybe take another shot from one of the other movies where his back is to us and paste him in a shot where the clone pods are everywhere.... And then could spell out the whole idea.

 

Yub yub... very similar to what I was thinking... The whole point is have the invasion as a feint but the real reason is human cloning tech. We can tweak the Kaminoans cloning expertise as non-human and so getting Naboo's clone tech for humans is critical to their overall goal as the Empire's biased to aliens is well known. Papatine uses the trade federation as pawns promising them a huge role in his New Imperial Order and they never intended to stay on Naboo (thus only one droid control ship was left behind). They got what they came for and the rest hyped so they leave a small force behind to make it look like an occupation....

That's how I'd mod and retcon this fierfek. =P

ALSO... as a bonus... we can eliminate JarJar and gungans completely. XD

Not to mention it would make that whole area make a bit more sense being a cloning facility...

No gungans is a good thing. They can easily be removed.

Rogue Leader said:

mrbenja0618 said:

That's interesting. Sounds like a much stronger plot in my opinion.

 

What's the end result though... Does the Federation obtain what they are looking for? How does the whole thing play out, and how can we make it all happen with the existing footage.

 

Oh, and I've been scarce lately, but welcome to the boards Ming! Look forward to getting to know you! =)

 

Well overall, I think a "cloning arc" is the strongest direction Episode 1 can come from and actually give the overall story a real direction (since as of right now Episode 1 HAS NO DIRECTION). In the end the real end game for Episode 1 should of be the acquiring of cloning tech or something related to that and taken to Kamino so that by Ep. 2 you see what the "Phantom Menace" really was. The Sith have used deception to get what they want and then trigger a "war". However, if you look at it... The war is contrived and not real, the only real loses are Jedi which was the Sith's intention from the start. The final destruction of the Jedi Order by the end of ROTS along with the final fall of one of it's greatest Jedi Knights, Anakin Skywalker.

Other than civilian casualties in which we never see what's being lost in the galaxy? Droids? Who cares... Clones? Ethical eugenic debates aside... who cares? They're copies... The true tragedy in all of this is the Jedi Order who have been the guardians of the Republic from the start and in the end deceived and nearly wiped out by Sith deception via CLONES. What's also interesting however is how the Sith use the truth as a weapon. Dooku tells Obi Wan exactly what's going on within the Republic during his "interrogation" scene:

Count Dooku: What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of a dark lord of the Sith? 
Obi-Wan: No, that's not possible. The Jedi would sense it. 
Count Dooku: The Dark Side has clouded their vision. Hundreds of senators are now under the influence of a Sith lord called Darth Sidious. 
Obi-Wan: I don't believe you. 

Overall the lines of what's darkside and lightside start to blur. Jedi become Sith (Dooku, Anakin, etc...). Good can no longer sense the Darkside even in their own midst... The Grand Army of the Republic turns on their own Generals, the Jedi Knights and the Sith manipulate both armies to destroy Jedi and place them in no win scenario: Order 66.

Cloning should of been in introduced in Episode 1 for the start. Episode 2 was it's main escalation and implementation for the Jedi to be set up in a huge trap aka "The Clone Wars" and Episode 3 should of been the Sith end game for the destruction of the Jedi and the fall of one of it's greatest Knights.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense actually. lol

I agree with what you're saying... Just trying to figure out how to make this actually work.

Wouldn't be interesting if the area where the lightsaber fight occurs could be a cloning testing area.... We could take portions of the Kamino edition and use those elements to add little clone pods to that fight scene.... And then maybe at the end, show Palpatine alone in that area... Maybe take another shot from one of the other movies where his back is to us and paste him in a shot where the clone pods are everywhere.... And then could spell out the whole idea.

That's interesting. Sounds like a much stronger plot in my opinion.

What's the end result though... Does the Federation obtain what they are looking for? How does the whole thing play out, and how can we make it all happen with the existing footage.

Oh, and I've been scarce lately, but welcome to the boards Ming! Look forward to getting to know you! =)

Yeah, the trailer was pretty good. I'm guessing this has been a very educational time for you, A-man?

There were some lines that were hard to understand, and there were some frame issues... But other than that it was a great trailer, A-Man.

How soon do you feel we'll see a finished edit?

I like them all.... But honestly, I prefer the throne room in the dark. Just worked for me.