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Dek Rollins said:

Fantastic little movie. The scene in the poster reminded me of my own personal battles,

You had an affair with an older woman?

Same. I eat almost nothing.

I kind of agree, but I also can at least appreciate that there is some resistance to this madman, and that’s what Trump is, from within.

They like the typical Republican things that he’s doing, like the tax cuts and deregulation, but they hate his instability and disastrous foreign policy decisions. I think they’re setting the stage for not supporting him in 2020.

Warbler said:

How is it a strawman? I did not ignore the reasoning of why criticism of X may not be allowed in the my initial post on the subject.

Claiming that stopping people from criticizing banned users that can’t respond is like preventing you from doing anything other than make positive statements about the country’s leader is a strawman. You either understand that or don’t know what a strawman is.

Warbler said:

oojason said:

and in my humble opinion you aren’t getting grief

I wish to talk about this. I have gotten grief over my stance on the anthem protests. Even since I first stated my stance, I have gotten wisecracks and side comments from multiple people. I have also been treated like my stance is stupid and silly. Some of it has hurt. When I said I had gotten grief over my stance, I wasn’t just referring to the other posts in that thread. I was referring to all the posts in all the threads made about my stance. Even though this was the first time in a long time I really opened up about my stance, people still made comments.

What? You share an opinion that other people find repugnant and you get pushback. Go figure!

Warbler said:

Possessed said:

One of the downsides of sharing your opinion in a public forum warb is having to deal with reactions from people who disagree.

I don’t mind people disagreeing with me. It is the wisecracks and side comments and ridicule that I mind.

So what? I don’t like seeing /sigh/ and “whatever” and “ha ha.” and all that bullshit every time you respond to me but you don’t see me playing the victim over it.

Lol.

Do you feel any different?

Warbler said:

I seriously don’t know why I get so much grieve for my stance. I am simply patriotic.

That’s why you get “grieve” from me. I don’t like patriotism. I don’t like it when people demand flag worship and demand that people submit.

I don’t like people being disrespectful to the National Anthem.

I don’t even see how it’s disrespectful. Would you rather he stand up and spit at the flag and scream at the top of his lungs during the anthem? Now that would be disrespectful. Isn’t it disrespectful to play the anthem at sporting events anyway? Isn’t that dumbing it down? Why not play it before movies and concerts at that point? I think it’s great that Nike is standing with Kaepernick.

I agree they have the Constitutional and legal right to protest and kneel during the National Anthem. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with what they do. I have a right to not like their forum of protest and the right to not support it by not buying products from companies that put anthem protesters in their ads.

Thanks for the lesson on the 1st amendment.

Warbler said:

I’ve always hated Carlin. I thought he was clueless, ignorant, arrogant, and nuts. (especially in the latter stages of his career)

God, you really are wrong about everything aren’t you? Teaching kids to question everything is “clueless”? And “war is peace” too I guess.

I know. He’s stepping away from his position as moderator. I don’t know if that means that he’ll officially lose mod powers.

I doubt his account will lose moderator privileges just because he is leaving the forum. I don’t know.

That’s the first I’m hearing of it.

chyron8472 said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Very few scientists are devoutly religious because faith isn’t based in rationality.

First, citation needed.

[looks up the word “rational”]
ra·tion·al
adjective
1. based on or in accordance with reason or logic.

Also your statement assumes that most scientists don’t deign to believe that which is not scientifically provable; or that one can not use logic and reason to back up one’s faith.

faith

strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof

That isn’t in accordance with reason or logic. I didn’t even say it was necessarily bad. I’m just stating why I think there are so few devoutly religious scientists.

The place is definitely worse and more boring without him.

I’m assuming that all “highly educated scientists” aren’t also “uneducated but devout religious” people. Very few scientists are devoutly religious because faith isn’t based in rationality.

I wonder if Owen ever handed a serious bare knuckle beating to Luke.

“You can waste time with your friends when your chores are done.”

Lacking a belief in a god or gods doesn’t mean that someone is 100% certain about that fact. I call myself an atheist because I don’t believe in a god. I choose not to say I’m agnostic because, as others have pointed out, the word agnostic these days implies being in the middle between theism and atheism and I’m not. I have no reason to believe in any god so I don’t. I don’t believe. I have no reason to believe that aliens are monitoring the human species. I don’t believe that’s happening, but I’m not 100% certain. I don’t feel the need to preface every statement with that caveat.

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
noun: atheism
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism; nihilism

ag·nos·tic
aɡˈnästik/Submit
noun
plural noun: agnostics
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.
synonyms: skeptic, doubter, doubting Thomas, cynic; More

Dictionary definitions are one thing, cultural assumptions are another. Often people think an agnostic is someone on the fence who can be swayed one way or another. Which is why many just identify as aetheist - they’re not going to claim they know without a single doubt there is no God, but they’re not religious in any way and live life as if there almost definitely isn’t.

I hate labels either way. Once you say you’re one thing or another people start to assume things about your beliefs. In my mind, saying you’re atheist shouldn’t imply anything except that you’re not religious and don’t believe in God. But some people think as if it’s a religion itself.

As for the president asking citizens to pray, it’s obviously not a big deal, but it is one of the many ways religion has wrongfully ingrained itself in our government. So yeah, it’s not a big deal, but it’s not completely okay either.

Words have definitions.

Definitions also evolve.

I said it was stupid. Free exercise of religion includes your freedom not to exercise a religion.

Calling atheism a religion is stupid. Theism is not a religion either. Most religions are obviously theistic, and few are atheistic, but lacking a belief in a god or gods is in no way a religious stance.

Possessed said:

Dek Rollins said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

My sister and I were cleaning up the back porch, and a heavy piece of wood fell on one of our kittens. I think his neck was broken, but he’s still alive. There’s no money for a vet, so I don’t know what to do about him.

I’ll pray for the little fella.

I think that makes you a jerk on this forum. Isn’t that where we landed on that?

If he were a veterinarian that refused to see the animal and instead offered prayers, then that would make him a jerk.

I have no reason to believe that a god exists so I don’t believe that one exists. I do have reason to believe the Christian God doesn’t exist because the claims made about him in the Christian scriptures are inconsistent and incompatible with history and today’s morality.

Handman said:
I don’t see why nonreligious people can’t simply ignore it.

Because I shouldn’t have to. My president isn’t a priest.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

This issue only first bugged me when George Bush (Jr.) kept saying “we have to pray”. Every time something happened, those seemed to always be his words - “we have to pray”. Well, I’m not religious, and it just kinda bugged me that the president of a democratic country ostensibly with separation of church and state seemed so intent on having me pray.

Even though we have separation of church and state, the President is still an American Citizen and the Bill of Right apply to him just as they do with other citizens. He has freedom of religion and speech. This means he can be a Christian and pray and can say that he thinks others should pray as well.

I know he has that right. But it doesn’t seem appropriate to me to use this particular office as a pulpit. It’s not part of the job description - quite the contrary. That’s kinda what separation of church and state means.

I don’t think separation of church and state means that it is inappropriate for the President to ask people to pray

I think that’s exactly what it means,

No, it means he can’t force people to pray, it doesn’t mean he can’t ask.

No, but it’s certainly inappropriate in my view, specifically because of the concept of separation of church and state.

I guess we have a different opinion on what separation of church and state. I don’t think it means the President can’t ask for prayer.

No, it doesn’t mean he can’t, but the fact that such a separation exists means the President should respect that he’s a representative of the government and not a private citizen while he’s in office and as such, probably shouldn’t be asking people to pray.

I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

What if he’s a muslim or buddhist or hindu or some other shit that you don’t believe in? Presumably you wouldn’t want those calls to prayer. I really hate it when I of all people have to be the one urging people to be empathetic.

Oh my God. I said you “should”. I know you’ll never get that marriage isn’t sacred, I just said that you should.