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#1238907
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

Whatever. I am done talking about this with. Talking and debating with you an aggravating, frustrating, and all around unpleasant experience and I am tired of you vitriol and insults and hatred and false judgments about me, a person you do not know. This is finished. And you harass me to try to get me to continue this conversation with you, as you have tried to do in the past, I will go to the moderators. I ask that you leave me alone.

Hang on a minute, I missed this last part. What do you mean “got to the moderators”? You think I’m not allowed to post things in response to you? Since when is that against the rules? Give me a break. No one’s harassing you.

Jay said:

  1. Do not harass other members, either publicly or via PM. Any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment.

Responding to things on a public forum is not harassment. You don’t get to say things to me and then demand that I don’t respond to those things.

Jay said:

  1. Do not harass other members, either publicly or via PM. Any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment.

the rule says do not harass other members. It says either publicly or via PM. It says any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment. I have given you a request to say away from me.

Whatever. If I see something that you say that I feel the need to comment on, I’ll do it. I’ve never once engaged in any personal conversation with you. All I do is respond to the things you post. If responding to the content of someone’s post breaks that rule then I honestly think I’ll just have to be banned, but I don’t think that any sane moderator would think that. I’ll admit I’ve been pretty intense in my recent responses to Warbler, and I’d even be willing to tone it down a bit if that’s what the admin and moderators want, but I’m not going to just never respond to the content of a Warbler post again purely because he demands it. That makes no sense to me.

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#1238858
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler, you honestly believe that they are “protesting the anthem”? You honestly believe that it is the ANTHEM that they are mad at??? Kapernick and others have made it clear from the start that they are protesting police brutality. And yet you (and others) persist in insisting that they are protesting the anthem. It’s amazing.

I know that now you’re going to say that the anthem isn’t the place to protest. That is a different argument. So just to be clear, one more time, on topic, Warbler, do you actually believe that they are “protesting the anthem”?

You can say they are not protesting the Anthem, that they are protesting police brutality. I say they are protesting police brutality via protesting the Anthem. Whatever you want to call it, I find it disrespectful.

Sorry, no, that’s not how words work. Strange, with how often you’ve brought up dictionary definitions, I’d have figured you’re the type of person to care about that sort of thing.

Fine, they are disrespecting the Anthem to protest police brutality.

At least that has one foot in reality.

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#1238857
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

Whatever. I am done talking about this with. Talking and debating with you an aggravating, frustrating, and all around unpleasant experience and I am tired of you vitriol and insults and hatred and false judgments about me, a person you do not know. This is finished. And you harass me to try to get me to continue this conversation with you, as you have tried to do in the past, I will go to the moderators. I ask that you leave me alone.

Hang on a minute, I missed this last part. What do you mean “got to the moderators”? You think I’m not allowed to post things in response to you? Since when is that against the rules? Give me a break. No one’s harassing you.

Jay said:

  1. Do not harass other members, either publicly or via PM. Any unwanted contact after a request to stay away will be considered harassment.

Responding to things on a public forum is not harassment. You don’t get to say things to me and then demand that I don’t respond to those things.

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#1238855
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Warbler, you honestly believe that they are “protesting the anthem”? You honestly believe that it is the ANTHEM that they are mad at??? Kapernick and others have made it clear from the start that they are protesting police brutality. And yet you (and others) persist in insisting that they are protesting the anthem. It’s amazing.

I know that now you’re going to say that the anthem isn’t the place to protest. That is a different argument. So just to be clear, one more time, on topic, Warbler, do you actually believe that they are “protesting the anthem”?

You can say they are not protesting the Anthem, that they are protesting police brutality. I say they are protesting police brutality via protesting the Anthem. Whatever you want to call it, I find it disrespectful.

I will find it that way no matter what any of you want call me or think of me.

I’ve never met anyone that knowingly and consciously disagrees with reality.

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#1238810
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

Whatever. I am done talking about this with. Talking and debating with you an aggravating, frustrating, and all around unpleasant experience and I am tired of you vitriol and insults and hatred and false judgments about me, a person you do not know. This is finished. And you harass me to try to get me to continue this conversation with you, as you have tried to do in the past, I will go to the moderators. I ask that you leave me alone.

Hang on a minute, I missed this last part. What do you mean “got to the moderators”? You think I’m not allowed to post things in response to you? Since when is that against the rules? Give me a break. No one’s harassing you.

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#1238807
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

SilverWook said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses

So they have religious objection to saluting the flag or singing the anthem. I do wonder what they do during the anthem. The wiki page doesn’t say they kneel. Religious objection is more understandable than a decision to protest the anthem.

Okay, they’re not “protesting the anthem.” This has been explained to you so many times. But I find it hilarious that some stupid religious reason is more acceptable to you than protesting the systematic murder of citizens by the government. Fuck your phony patriotism.

Also, they don’t kneel (which is a sign of respect for the soldiers), they just sit their asses down. I find it funny that you’re opposed to kneeling even though they’re kneeling to respect the soldiers while still (ironic choice of words) taking a stand. Again, fuck your phony patriotism. Please never pretend that your outrage has anything to do with the soldiers, because you’re not fooling anyone.

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#1238806
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers.

ruffing feathers is one thing, disrespecting the country is another.

If you don’t know why the ideals of America are worth of respect, I don’t know what to tell you.

I actually do respect the ideals of America. I think that the flag worship you and President Trump demand is antithetical to those ideals.

I don’t worship the flag, I respect it.

That’s sad. It’s a piece of cloth.

It is more than a piece of cloth

Don’t give me that. My family is full of veterans. A member of my immediately family was actually shot multiple times in the service, and guess what, he’s in support of the NFL players.

I thank all the veterans in your family for their service.

Bullshit, you respect at least some of them less. You admitted that.

I said tiny bit less, but I still respect them a lot.

I’ll try to illustrate how repugnant your statement is. You know that crying little girl and the crying little boy that you threw out in front of yourself as a human shield when you couldn’t answer my questions? Imagine if their dads who died while serving the country supported these anthem protests. Imagine admitting to those kids that even though their loved ones died while serving the country (which is more than your ass has ever done), you respect them less because they didn’t oppose something that you consider to be disrespectful. Imagine that. You aren’t a patriot. Your outrage isn’t about veterans. You’re one of these flag-wavers that cares more about tradition and arbitrary rituals than you care about the actual people that make up this country. There’s nothing patriotic about that at all. I hope that someday you’re able to realize that, not because I care if you see the light or anything that, I just think it’d be funny if you realized that your stance on this is unAmerican to the core and indistinguishable from Donald Trump’s position on this.

Most of your post was full of irrelevant stuff so I didn’t quote it, but I wanted to say that I did subject myself to the Mike the Cop videos. I watched plenty of his shit, I just didn’t watch him ramble for the full hour because I don’t have time for that, and you exaggerated that into this lie that I didn’t watch what he had to say on the murdered kid even though I did.

And Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t stand for the anthem or pledge for some arbitrary religious reason. Got a problem with them?

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

What I’ll never understand about this debate is that kneeling is literally a form of respect.

Not when it is done during the Nation Anthem which is a clear violation of the proper protocol.

Proper protocol my ass. The same people complaining the loudest are the ones who have the American flag on their underwear.

I don’t have the flag on my underwear.

I never said you did. I’m sure you follow the rules to the letter.

Following protocol and showing respect aren’t necessarily the same thing.

When the rules say you should stand at attention and you kneel, I have having hard time seeing how that is not disrespectful.

What you described is them being disrespectful to the rules. Not disrespectful to the flag/what it stands for (not that I’d have a problem if they did, but they aren’t so). Unless you think it stands for “the rules”…

Anyway following the rules has no direct correlation with actual respect. They’re on different planes.

If you can’t see that kneeling when it is clear you are supposed to stand is disrespectful, that protesting the Nation Anthem is disrespectful, I don’t know what else to say to you.

They’re not protesting the anthem.

In your opinion.

No, it’s a fucking fact! It is a 100% fucking fact! Facts aren’t dependent on your opinion! He’s protesting during the anthem. He’s not protesting the anthem, just like he isn’t protesting the flag, or protesting genetically modified food, or protesting vaccines, or protesting the MPAA, or any other thing! He’s protesting police brutality during the national anthem! FOR FUCKS SAKE! Why is that so complicated to you?! Are you trolling us? I hope to God that you are because if not, then this is some of the most mind-blowing shit that I’ve ever encountered on the internet!

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#1238778
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers.

ruffing feathers is one thing, disrespecting the country is another.

If you don’t know why the ideals of America are worth of respect, I don’t know what to tell you.

I actually do respect the ideals of America. I think that the flag worship you and President Trump demand is antithetical to those ideals.

I don’t worship the flag, I respect it.

That’s sad. It’s a piece of cloth.

It is more than a piece of cloth

Don’t give me that. My family is full of veterans. A member of my immediately family was actually shot multiple times in the service, and guess what, he’s in support of the NFL players.

I thank all the veterans in your family for their service.

Bullshit, you respect at least some of them less. You admitted that.

If you think that all that death and sacrifice happens for the flag, then that’s fucking sad. I hope that our people are dying for something other than “the flag”.

The flag is a symbol of what the death and sacrifice is for.

That’s not all it’s a symbol for. That’s not even what it’s primarily a symbol for.

What’s wrong with disrespecting the country? Why is it automatically worthy of respect no matter what?

I’ve also not once heard your justification for how this is disrespecting the anthem or why that’s even a bad thing, but I know you’ll never bother to actually explain that so I’ll stop asking.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

I don’t care about any of this arbitrary bullshit. This has nothing to do with what I asked.

It has everything to do with what you asked. What I posted is the proper etiquette during the National Anthem. You asked how kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful. It is disrespectful because it violates the proper etiquette above. You are supposed to stand at attention.

I don’t care about the prescribed etiquette. Why is it bad to disregard that?

Because it is. There is proper etiquette and improper etiquette. Kneeling is improper. Also I don’t think the playing of the anthem is a time appropriate for political speech.

Even if it is disrespectful, which I don’t grant, why is it bad to be disrespectful when you’re addressing horrifying issues?

There are other ways to address horrifying issues.

It definitely wouldn’t have gotten as much attention.

Oh I think they could have gotten alot of attention by other methods. One would have to refuse to talk about the game in press conferences and instead talk about police brutality. The players may have gotten fined for this by the NFL, but that would be worth it to them, right? They also could have worn “Black Lives Matter” stickers and what not on their uniforms, again it would risk a fine but it would be worth it to them, right? They could have used they influence and wealth to put together a peaceful march on Washington, like MLK did. There are all sorts of things they could have done.

I know you lean towards the Mike the Cop, “Innocent people don’t run” line of reasoning where it’s acceptable for cops to shoot unarmed people to death so you probably wouldn’t have appreciated any protest against these cops.

You don’t will never understand what I think about these shootings because you won’t take the time to calmly, logically, rationally and fairly go over them, review the facts, and get the story from BOTH side. Instead you automatically assume the police are guilty

Not true. I do go over the facts.

Yeah, I noticed that when you refused to watch videos of an actual cop talking about a couple of shootings.

I did watch them. That’s why I responded to specific quotes from the guy. What reality are you living in?

You can’t deny that this was effective.

Was it? Has it stopped police shootings yet?

It got attention.

attention does equal effective.

missing capitalization and words does equal effective grammar.

Nobody got anything done by being completely respectful. In fact, I think that the Kaepernick protest is too respectful. It’ll take a lot more to put an end to police brutality in this country.

Oh good God.

What’s that mean? I’m right.

Sorry, I can’t answer that without violating the rules of the forum.

Pathetic.

whatever.

Pathetic.

You have to get in people’s faces and get their attention to make change.

And here I thought logically reasoning was the way to go.

Most people don’t listen to logical reasoning. I’m experiencing someone who’s unwilling to do that right now.

It is interesting that I am experiencing the same thing.

In your alternate reality you are.

Kaepernick wasn’t doing anything abrasive,

I guess you think he should have given the middle finger during the anthem.

He could have. He might as well have given how people like you are reacting to him.

*sigh* pathetic.

Not as pathetic as using the “I know you are but what am I?” comeback.

and that’s why ultimately this protest won’t be the one that finally pushes this country towards holding its police accountable.

But I thought you said above that “You can’t deny that this was effective”. Which is it?

It was effective at getting attention. Definitely more effective than BLM stickers would’ve been.

I mentioned more than just stickers. There are probably ideas of things they can do that I can’t even think of.

What if you don’t want to stand for the anthem? I don’t want to. Should I do it anyway? Isn’t that disrespectful.

Name me one person who achieved any political change by operating totally within what society deems proper etiquette.

I can’t but I can name you one that achieved much more than Kapaernick without protesting during the Anthem: MLK.

You are approaching this so simplistically that I honestly feel like I’m talking to an eight-year-old,

I’d tell you what I honestly feel like I am talking to but I think it would violate the rules of the forum.

Just use the “R-word”. You know you want to.

MLK threw aside proper etiquette, that’s why people listened to him.

HE DIDN’T PROTEST THE ANTHEM!!! Please get it through your head that I am not saying that one shouldn’t violate any proper etiquette, just the the etiquette in regards to the flag an anthem.

I know. That’s ridiculous. What about Jehovah’s Witnesses? You must really hate them.

EDIT: And everybody already knows that you have a “right” to do whatever you fucking want so stop reminding us. We get it. We aren’t dumb. We know.

I will do whatever the fuck I want! and the reason I do remind you that is that it seems as though you don’t act like it sometimes.

Oh my god, why are you not able to comprehend that not liking something doesn’t mean that I believe you don’t have the right? I’m just tired of reading that shit all the goddamn time.

There is a lot of shit I am tired of reading.

EDIT: I remember a long time ago that you claimed to be inspired by the work of MLK. I don’t see how that’s possible given how opposed to offending the status quo you are. MLK wouldn’t have accomplished anything if he’d been too scared to offend blind patriots that can’t handle anything that might vaguely disrespect the country.

That I am shows that there is a difference between ruffling feathers and disrespecting the anthem. I don’t recall MLK ever disrespecting the anthem.

It actually shows your ignorance of history and the man you respect. Here’s what MLK had to say about folks like you: " I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” " - Letter from the Birmingham Jail, 1963.

You are incorrect, I am not more devoted to order than justice.

In this case you are. It’s actually a little worse. You’re more devoted to etiquette than to justice.

wrong again.

Nope, I’m right. If you’re going to just make claims without evidence then I’ll do it too.

The only proper response to this would be a violation of the forum rules. I will just simply say, that you don’t know me.

lawl.

Had MLK “disrespected the anthem” would you still like him?

Not as much as I do, but I still would have respected all he achieved.

What a joke. If he had kneeled during the anthem then you would respect him less? Well, that’s just disgusting.

Read this article: https://abcnews.go.com/US/veterans-knee-support-national-anthem-protests/story?id=50075609

How much respect have you lost for those veterans?

A tiny bit. But I still have great respect for what they did for this country. I guess veterans, of all people, have more a right to do this than people like Kapaernick who just play football.

Disgusting. You losing any amount of respect for veterans because they aren’t offended by Kaepernick is fucking disgusting. Don’t you dare throw tragic pictures of grieving families at me, implying that I don’t care about our veterans

I didn’t say you didn’t care about Veterans. I posted those pics to show that the flag is more than a piece of cloth.

It depends on the context. Sometimes it can transcend being just a cloth, like in those instances. When it’s waving at a football game where people are stuffing their faces with hotdogs and drinking alcohol and waiting to watch people give each other brain damage, then yes, it really is just a piece of cloth.

when it’s actually you that’s putting a piece of cloth above the people that, unlike you, actually fucking give a shit about this country and what it stands for.

That is not what I did.

That’s exactly what you did. You lost respect for the veterans and the dead soldiers that you previously threw in front of you like a human shield when you realized that they don’t all follow your blind nationalism.

Kaepernick, and the veterans that stand by him, are greater patriots than you could ever hope to be. Your position on this is so un-American that it makes me livid and nauseous.

  1. I feel you are very close to a personally attacking in this post.

Attacking your faux patriotism presumably isn’t a bannable offense. You’ve been implying and threatening me with personal attacks repeatedly so I don’t see what your problem is. Grow up. Stop begging for people to intervene on your behalf.

  1. What about the Veterans that are offended by his kneeling?

What about them? That’s their business. Veterans aren’t a monolith. I think it’s sad that they have wedded their identity to the ritual of the anthem rather than to the real ideals of this country. You do realize that it was a veteran that encouraged Kaepernick to kneel so as to respect the veterans and the dead while still making a point, don’t you?

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

I still don’t care about the NFL or Nike.

I like Warb’s patriotism.

What patriotism is on display?

I thought it was patriotic to respect the Anthem. I also thought it was patriotic to agree that kneeling during the Anthem while disrespectful, is protected speech.

Nope, that’s nationalistic not patriotic.

If I were really nationalistic, I’d want protesting during the Anthem to be outlawed. But I don’t.

Since when is that a prerequisite for nationalism?

Ok, you tell me the difference between nationalism and patriotism.

In this case nationalism is basically an extreme, embarrassing form of patriotism. I’d call it blind pride in a country. In other contexts nationalism means different things.

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#1238776
Topic
Last movie seen
Time

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

DominicCobb said:

Eighth Grade (2018) - Probably one of the most cringey movies I’ve ever seen, but of course done intentionally and with good purpose. Lots of laughs, but mostly good natured ones that come from a place of understanding and sympathy. Genuine. B+

I saw this too and I’m surprised that you said there were lots of laughs. I thought the movie was very sad and solemn and only a few parts actually struck me as funny. Most of the movie just gave me anxiety, honestly. I still liked it, though. I think I might’ve liked it even a little more than you did depending on how you define a typical “B+” rating, but it sounds like we liked it for totally different reasons. I don’t know. I think that’s interesting.

I actually found it quite sad too, but there were some definite laugh out loud parts (some being sorts of nervous laughter). For much of the runtime I felt really bad for the main character but it eventually morphed into a feeling of optimistic understanding that she’ll end up just fine. So while sad, it wasn’t an interminable sadness.

Yeah, that’s probably how I’d describe it. I guess I interpreted your post as referring to the film as a whole being more of a comedy, which I definitely wouldn’t describe it as.

B+ for me means really good/almost great.

Okay, that’s pretty much what I’d give it if I graded movies.

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#1238765
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers.

ruffing feathers is one thing, disrespecting the country is another.

If you don’t know why the ideals of America are worth of respect, I don’t know what to tell you.

I actually do respect the ideals of America. I think that the flag worship you and President Trump demand is antithetical to those ideals.

I don’t worship the flag, I respect it.

That’s sad. It’s a piece of cloth.

It is more than a piece of cloth

Don’t give me that. My family is full of veterans. A member of my immediately family was actually shot multiple times in the service, and guess what, he’s in support of the NFL players. If you think that all that death and sacrifice happens for the flag, then that’s fucking sad. I hope that our people are dying for something other than “the flag”.

What’s wrong with disrespecting the country? Why is it automatically worthy of respect no matter what?

I’ve also not once heard your justification for how this is disrespecting the anthem or why that’s even a bad thing, but I know you’ll never bother to actually explain that so I’ll stop asking.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

I don’t care about any of this arbitrary bullshit. This has nothing to do with what I asked.

It has everything to do with what you asked. What I posted is the proper etiquette during the National Anthem. You asked how kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful. It is disrespectful because it violates the proper etiquette above. You are supposed to stand at attention.

I don’t care about the prescribed etiquette. Why is it bad to disregard that?

Because it is. There is proper etiquette and improper etiquette. Kneeling is improper. Also I don’t think the playing of the anthem is a time appropriate for political speech.

Even if it is disrespectful, which I don’t grant, why is it bad to be disrespectful when you’re addressing horrifying issues?

There are other ways to address horrifying issues.

It definitely wouldn’t have gotten as much attention.

Oh I think they could have gotten alot of attention by other methods. One would have to refuse to talk about the game in press conferences and instead talk about police brutality. The players may have gotten fined for this by the NFL, but that would be worth it to them, right? They also could have worn “Black Lives Matter” stickers and what not on their uniforms, again it would risk a fine but it would be worth it to them, right? They could have used they influence and wealth to put together a peaceful march on Washington, like MLK did. There are all sorts of things they could have done.

I know you lean towards the Mike the Cop, “Innocent people don’t run” line of reasoning where it’s acceptable for cops to shoot unarmed people to death so you probably wouldn’t have appreciated any protest against these cops.

You don’t will never understand what I think about these shootings because you won’t take the time to calmly, logically, rationally and fairly go over them, review the facts, and get the story from BOTH side. Instead you automatically assume the police are guilty

Not true. I do go over the facts.

You can’t deny that this was effective.

Was it? Has it stopped police shootings yet?

It got attention.

Nobody got anything done by being completely respectful. In fact, I think that the Kaepernick protest is too respectful. It’ll take a lot more to put an end to police brutality in this country.

Oh good God.

What’s that mean? I’m right.

Sorry, I can’t answer that without violating the rules of the forum.

Pathetic.

You have to get in people’s faces and get their attention to make change.

And here I thought logically reasoning was the way to go.

Most people don’t listen to logical reasoning. I’m experiencing someone who’s unwilling to do that right now.

Kaepernick wasn’t doing anything abrasive,

I guess you think he should have given the middle finger during the anthem.

He could have. He might as well have given how people like you are reacting to him.

and that’s why ultimately this protest won’t be the one that finally pushes this country towards holding its police accountable.

But I thought you said above that “You can’t deny that this was effective”. Which is it?

It was effective at getting attention. Definitely more effective than BLM stickers would’ve been.

Name me one person who achieved any political change by operating totally within what society deems proper etiquette.

I can’t but I can name you one that achieved much more than Kapaernick without protesting during the Anthem: MLK.

You are approaching this so simplistically that I honestly feel like I’m talking to an eight-year-old, at best. MLK threw aside proper etiquette, that’s why people listened to him.

EDIT: And everybody already knows that you have a “right” to do whatever you fucking want so stop reminding us. We get it. We aren’t dumb. We know.

I will do whatever the fuck I want! and the reason I do remind you that is that it seems as though you don’t act like it sometimes.

Oh my god, why are you not able to comprehend that not liking something doesn’t mean that I believe you don’t have the right? I’m just tired of reading that shit all the goddamn time.

There is a lot of shit I am tired of reading.

EDIT: I remember a long time ago that you claimed to be inspired by the work of MLK. I don’t see how that’s possible given how opposed to offending the status quo you are. MLK wouldn’t have accomplished anything if he’d been too scared to offend blind patriots that can’t handle anything that might vaguely disrespect the country.

That I am shows that there is a difference between ruffling feathers and disrespecting the anthem. I don’t recall MLK ever disrespecting the anthem.

It actually shows your ignorance of history and the man you respect. Here’s what MLK had to say about folks like you: " I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” " - Letter from the Birmingham Jail, 1963.

You are incorrect, I am not more devoted to order than justice.

In this case you are. It’s actually a little worse. You’re more devoted to etiquette than to justice.

wrong again.

Nope, I’m right. If you’re going to just make claims without evidence then I’ll do it too.

Had MLK “disrespected the anthem” would you still like him?

Not as much as I do, but I still would have respected all he achieved.

What a joke. If he had kneeled during the anthem then you would respect him less? Well, that’s just disgusting.

Read this article: https://abcnews.go.com/US/veterans-knee-support-national-anthem-protests/story?id=50075609

How much respect have you lost for those veterans?

A tiny bit. But I still have great respect for what they did for this country. I guess veterans, of all people, have more a right to do this than people like Kapaernick who just play football.

Disgusting. You losing any amount of respect for veterans because they aren’t offended by Kaepernick is fucking disgusting. Don’t you dare throw tragic pictures of grieving families at me, implying that I don’t care about our veterans when it’s actually you that’s putting a piece of cloth above the people that, unlike you, actually fucking give a shit about this country and what it stands for. Kaepernick, and the veterans that stand by him, are greater patriots than you could ever hope to be. Your position on this is so un-American that it makes me livid and nauseous.

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

I still don’t care about the NFL or Nike.

I like Warb’s patriotism.

What patriotism is on display?

I thought it was patriotic to respect the Anthem. I also thought it was patriotic to agree that kneeling during the Anthem while disrespectful, is protected speech.

Nope, that’s nationalistic not patriotic.

If I were really nationalistic, I’d want protesting during the Anthem to be outlawed. But I don’t.

Since when is that a prerequisite for nationalism?

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#1238742
Topic
Last movie seen
Time

DominicCobb said:

Eighth Grade (2018) - Probably one of the most cringey movies I’ve ever seen, but of course done intentionally and with good purpose. Lots of laughs, but mostly good natured ones that come from a place of understanding and sympathy. Genuine. B+

I saw this too and I’m surprised that you said there were lots of laughs. I thought the movie was very sad and solemn and only a few parts actually struck me as funny. Most of the movie just gave me anxiety, honestly. I still liked it, though. I think I might’ve liked it even a little more than you did depending on how you define a typical “B+” rating, but it sounds like we liked it for totally different reasons. I don’t know. I think that’s interesting.

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#1238741
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers.

ruffing feathers is one thing, disrespecting the country is another.

If you don’t know why the ideals of America are worth of respect, I don’t know what to tell you.

I actually do respect the ideals of America. I think that the flag worship you and President Trump demand is antithetical to those ideals.

I don’t worship the flag, I respect it.

That’s sad. It’s a piece of cloth.

What’s wrong with disrespecting the country? Why is it automatically worthy of respect no matter what?

I’ve also not once heard your justification for how this is disrespecting the anthem or why that’s even a bad thing, but I know you’ll never bother to actually explain that so I’ll stop asking.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

I don’t care about any of this arbitrary bullshit. This has nothing to do with what I asked.

It has everything to do with what you asked. What I posted is the proper etiquette during the National Anthem. You asked how kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful. It is disrespectful because it violates the proper etiquette above. You are supposed to stand at attention.

I don’t care about the prescribed etiquette. Why is it bad to disregard that?

Because it is. There is proper etiquette and improper etiquette. Kneeling is improper. Also I don’t think the playing of the anthem is a time appropriate for political speech.

Even if it is disrespectful, which I don’t grant, why is it bad to be disrespectful when you’re addressing horrifying issues?

There are other ways to address horrifying issues.

It definitely wouldn’t have gotten as much attention. I know you lean towards the Mike the Cop, “Innocent people don’t run” line of reasoning where it’s acceptable for cops to shoot unarmed people to death so you probably wouldn’t have appreciated any protest against these cops. You can’t deny that this was effective.

Nobody got anything done by being completely respectful. In fact, I think that the Kaepernick protest is too respectful. It’ll take a lot more to put an end to police brutality in this country.

Oh good God.

What’s that mean? I’m right. You have to get in people’s faces and get their attention to make change. Kaepernick wasn’t doing anything abrasive, and that’s why ultimately this protest won’t be the one that finally pushes this country towards holding its police accountable. Name me one person who achieved any political change by operating totally within what society deems proper etiquette.

EDIT: And everybody already knows that you have a “right” to do whatever you fucking want so stop reminding us. We get it. We aren’t dumb. We know.

I will do whatever the fuck I want! and the reason I do remind you that is that it seems as though you don’t act like it sometimes.

Oh my god, why are you not able to comprehend that not liking something doesn’t mean that I believe you don’t have the right? I’m just tired of reading that shit all the goddamn time.

There is a lot of shit I am tired of reading.

EDIT: I remember a long time ago that you claimed to be inspired by the work of MLK. I don’t see how that’s possible given how opposed to offending the status quo you are. MLK wouldn’t have accomplished anything if he’d been too scared to offend blind patriots that can’t handle anything that might vaguely disrespect the country.

That I am shows that there is a difference between ruffling feathers and disrespecting the anthem. I don’t recall MLK ever disrespecting the anthem.

It actually shows your ignorance of history and the man you respect. Here’s what MLK had to say about folks like you: " I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” " - Letter from the Birmingham Jail, 1963.

You are incorrect, I am not more devoted to order than justice.

In this case you are. It’s actually a little worse. You’re more devoted to etiquette than to justice. At least people who care more about order than justice value something more tangible than etiquette.

Had MLK “disrespected the anthem” would you still like him?

Not as much as I do, but I still would have respected all he achieved.

What a joke. If he had kneeled during the anthem then you would respect him less? Well, that’s just disgusting.

Read this article: https://abcnews.go.com/US/veterans-knee-support-national-anthem-protests/story?id=50075609

How much respect have you lost for those veterans?

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Mrebo said:

I still don’t care about the NFL or Nike.

I like Warb’s patriotism.

What patriotism is on display?

I thought it was patriotic to respect the Anthem. I also thought it was patriotic to agree that kneeling during the Anthem while disrespectful, is protected speech.

Nope, that’s nationalistic not patriotic.

Post
#1238722
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers.

ruffing feathers is one thing, disrespecting the country is another.

If you don’t know why the ideals of America are worth of respect, I don’t know what to tell you.

I actually do respect the ideals of America. I think that the flag worship you and President Trump demand is antithetical to those ideals.

What’s wrong with disrespecting the country? Why is it automatically worthy of respect no matter what?

I’ve also not once heard your justification for how this is disrespecting the anthem or why that’s even a bad thing, but I know you’ll never bother to actually explain that so I’ll stop asking.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

I don’t care about any of this arbitrary bullshit. This has nothing to do with what I asked.

It has everything to do with what you asked. What I posted is the proper etiquette during the National Anthem. You asked how kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful. It is disrespectful because it violates the proper etiquette above. You are supposed to stand at attention.

I don’t care about the prescribed etiquette. Why is it bad to disregard that? Even if it is disrespectful, which I don’t grant, why is it bad to be disrespectful when you’re addressing horrifying issues? Nobody got anything done by being completely respectful. In fact, I think that the Kaepernick protest is too respectful. It’ll take a lot more to put an end to police brutality in this country.

EDIT: And everybody already knows that you have a “right” to do whatever you fucking want so stop reminding us. We get it. We aren’t dumb. We know.

I will do whatever the fuck I want! and the reason I do remind you that is that it seems as though you don’t act like it sometimes.

Oh my god, why are you not able to comprehend that not liking something doesn’t mean that I believe you don’t have the right? I’m just tired of reading that shit all the goddamn time.

There is a lot of shit I am tired of reading.

EDIT: I remember a long time ago that you claimed to be inspired by the work of MLK. I don’t see how that’s possible given how opposed to offending the status quo you are. MLK wouldn’t have accomplished anything if he’d been too scared to offend blind patriots that can’t handle anything that might vaguely disrespect the country.

That I am shows that there is a difference between ruffling feathers and disrespecting the anthem. I don’t recall MLK ever disrespecting the anthem.

It actually shows your ignorance of history and the man you respect. Here’s what MLK had to say about folks like you: " I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” " - Letter from the Birmingham Jail, 1963.

Had MLK “disrespected the anthem” would you still like him?

Post
#1238708
Topic
Last movie seen
Time

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I haven’t seen it in years. I don’t remember anything other than the music and the basic plot.

Spoils I guess…

When sleeping with her the umpteenth time and trying to have a conversation for once he shouts about how much he’s disgusted by the whole thing and that he isn’t in any way proud of it. He puts his clothes back on and wants to be done with it, but temptation grabs him by the ear when he looks at her pulling her nylons up, so he apologizes and so on.

How is that different from what I said?

Post
#1238707
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers.

ruffing feathers is one thing, disrespecting the country is another.

What’s wrong with disrespecting the country? Why is it automatically worthy of respect no matter what?

I’ve also not once heard your justification for how this is disrespecting the anthem or why that’s even a bad thing, but I know you’ll never bother to actually explain that so I’ll stop asking.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301

(a)Designation.—
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.

(b)Conduct During Playing.—During a rendition of the national anthem—

(1) when the flag is displayed—

(A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note;

(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and

(C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

I don’t care about any of this arbitrary bullshit. This has nothing to do with what I asked. I don’t see how it’s disrespectful not to do this crap. I don’t see why it’s bad to disrespect a country.

EDIT: And everybody already knows that you have a “right” to do whatever you fucking want so stop reminding us. We get it. We aren’t dumb. We know.

I will do whatever the fuck I want! and the reason I do remind you that is that it seems as though you don’t act like it sometimes.

Oh my god, why are you not able to comprehend that not liking something doesn’t mean that I believe you don’t have the right? I’m just tired of reading that shit all the goddamn time.

EDIT: I remember a long time ago that you claimed to be inspired by the work of MLK. I don’t see how that’s possible given how opposed to offending the status quo you are. MLK wouldn’t have accomplished anything if he’d been too scared to offend blind patriots that can’t handle anything that might vaguely disrespect the country.

Post
#1238642
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Warbler said:

chyron8472 said:

Personally, I think boycotting Nike is misdirected outrage, and that this outrage is just a fad. So many consumer boycotts come and go, and next year no one will remember this one. Being angry at Nike is just the recent popular thing to do.

Well I know it won’t do any good, but I won’t be buying anything from them. It is a matter of principle for me. I have as just as much to protest via boycott as those that protest via disrespecting the Anthem.

Honestly I think you’re the one disrespecting the country. You’re one of these people that’s opposed to any kind of protest that ruffles people’s feathers. Well guess what, things don’t change unless you ruffle people’s feathers. I’ve also not once heard your justification for how this is disrespecting the anthem or why that’s even a bad thing, but I know you’ll never bother to actually explain that so I’ll stop asking.

EDIT: And everybody already knows that you have a “right” to do whatever you fucking want so stop reminding us. We get it. We aren’t dumb. We know.

Post
#1238633
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

CatBus said:

* For extraordinarily loose definitions of popular.

Well, I don’t know how popular this particular boycott is, because idgaf about it really, but people often seem to enjoy bitching about this or that to the point that bitching about whatever-it-is becomes a bandwagon.

Conservatives are always trying to boycott some “offensive” character and it almost never works. In the '60s they were burning Beatles albums because Lennon didn’t worship Jesus enough for their liking and now they’re burning Nike because Kaepernick doesn’t worship the flag enough for their liking. This won’t work either. I love how a lot of conservatives like to shit on liberals for trying to destroy the careers of people they don’t like, but then don’t see the irony when they do the exact same shit.