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TV’s Frink said:

Is the problem that they removed the t-shirt, or that they removed what you consider a non-racist t-shirt?

If the t-shirt included the n-word, would it be ok to remove it, or would it still be “sickening?”

It’s a little bit of the former, but mostly the latter. I wouldn’t find it sickening if it were offensive, but since it wasn’t I think it’s BS that they pulled their product.

Jeebus said:

Another case of political correctness going too far.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/lifestyle/style/primark-pulls-racist-the-walking-dead-t-shirt-from-stores/ar-AAnaXiW

That sickens me. If someone is offended, then they shouldn’t buy the shirt. Them being offended by something innocuous is their problem.

TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

I try not to look at Bill Maher.

For example…

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/02/22/youre-welcome-bill-maher-takes-credit-milo-yiannopoulous-takedown-real-time/98247812/

What a joke.

I don’t get how this is somehow an indictment of everything he’s done, but he’s not necessarily wrong. The big mainstream exposure that he got on Maher’s show really kicked off his disastrous week.

It’s not an indictment of everything he’s done, it’s just one example of how I can’t take him seriously.

And he is wrong. If the only thing that happened that week was Milo going on Maher’s show, you really think he would have lost a book deal, kicked out of a conference, and fired from his job? That was all the pedophilia videos. And if he never went on Maher’s show, the pedophilia videos still would have done him in. Maher had zero to do with it.

I guess so. Maher having good comedy goes a long way.

TV’s Frink said:

TV’s Frink said:

I try not to look at Bill Maher.

For example…

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/02/22/youre-welcome-bill-maher-takes-credit-milo-yiannopoulous-takedown-real-time/98247812/

What a joke.

I don’t get how this is somehow an indictment of everything he’s done, but he’s not necessarily wrong. The big mainstream exposure that he got on Maher’s show really kicked off his disastrous week.

DominicCobb said:

Avoidance does not necessarily equal self censorship. It’s not just the words or topics themselves, it’s how you use them or talk about them.

Treating people with respect is not the explicit definition, but it is the underlining goal.

In the proper context, people will understand and not be offended by words and phrases that will most certainly cause offense if used in disparaging contexts.

For example, there are many “okay” ways to use the word “retard.” PC doesn’t advocate removing it from the dictionary. But if you use it to describe a stupid person, yeah sure that’s offensive. If you think that’s terrible self-censorship, then well I don’t know what to say - we just strongly disagree.

What if the person that I’m talking to isn’t offended by that?

I’d also like to say that it isn’t some tiny fringe of people that take this too far. Almost any criticisms of Islam are not PC, look at how everyone treated Sam Harris and Bill Maher for completely reasonable criticisms of Islam.

DominicCobb said:

whatever ™

The goal of PC is to treat others with respect. If you want to dump the loonies in with everyone else to deligitimze and demonize the whole concept, fine.

OK, “loonies” aside, can you at least admit that the very definition of political correctness is to avoid topics and expressions that are deemed offensive? That in and of itself is not treating people with respect. “Treating others with respect” is a definition that you have added to it. However, that’s not actually what PC is.

Merriam Webster: conforming to a belief that language and practices which could offend political sensibilities (as in matters of sex or race) should be eliminated

Google: the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

Oxford: The avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

Wikipedia: The term political correctness (adjectivally: politically correct; commonly abbreviated to PC[1] or P.C.) in modern usage, is used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended to avoid offense or disadvantage to members of particular groups in society.

Cambridge: avoiding language or behavior that any particular group of people might feel is unkind or offensive

Did that really necessitate quoting my post. If anything I hope that they release the OOT just to prove you wrong.

The reason I find PC to be so terrible is because it doesn’t involve promoting decency or promoting anything at all for that matter. It involves self censorship so that other people don’t take offense. That’s the definition, and that’s exactly what this story about the police is. Some stupid asshole was offended that children had to be in the presence of police officers, so in order to address the offense that those people took, the police don’t go there anymore.

But all offense is subjective. Cops being present was offensive to somebody.

That would account for one of the “many” surprises.

Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Well, I could imagine that if the black and hispanic kids were uncomfortable and chose not to high-five the cops, then over time what could evolve is the cops high-five-ing only the white kids. Even though that wouldn’t have been the cops’ intent, the appearance could indeed make the program “ineffective”, to say the least. Maybe that’s what was happening?

The reason they stopped is because other people decided that it was offensive to black and hispanic kids. I think it’s pretty sad and upsetting that children of any color would be uncomfortable with the mere presence of police officers that are trying to be nice. It’s a good opportunity to encourage mutual respect between police and ordinary citizens but we can’t have that.

The way that this article is framed doesn’t point towards Last Jedi stuff, which I’m sure will be there, but in this context it seems like an OT-related thing.

http://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-celebration-orlando-kicks-off-with-epic-tribute-to-sagas-40th-anniversary

It says that there will be some “not to be missed surprises”, whatever that means.

But it isn’t a misuse though. They stopped doing something in order to not exclude the “marginalized” people. It was stupid and politically correct. That’s why people should just abandon political correctness and adopt the philosophy of being decent to people and if people are unintentionally offended then it’s their own problem.

If the cops doing this is offending the supposedly marginalized students, then stopping them from doing it is politically correct, objectively.

If it were literally unplayable then it wouldn’t be playable. Another reason why no one takes you seriously is because you use the word literally when it doesn’t apply.

Agreed. I stay far away from General Star Wars unless it has to do with the OOT, which now I’m not even going to talk about on here anymore because it’s just way to obnoxious.

I agree that there shouldn’t be anything politically incorrect about what the police were doing, but them deciding not to do this anymore as a response to people supposedly being uncomfortable was an attempt to be politically correct.

DominicCobb said:
It’s not like you can’t talk about testy topics, it’s more about treating testy topics with thoughtfulness and sensitivity.

So, not like this:

Lol! I get what you’re saying now, we should probably continue this in the politics thread.

DominicCobb said:

moviefreakedmind said:

This is a better thread to talk about political correctness in, but here’s a great example of why I hate it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/northampton-police-department-high-five-fridays-program-canceled/

You can’t just call everyone doing things you don’t like “political correctness.” Nothing about this has anything to do with political correctness, just stupid parents being annoying as often happens.

I would argue that it does because they are telling this school and police department to stop doing this for the sake of the supposedly marginalized students. How does that not line up with the definition of political correctness, which I’ll include below so that we’re on the same page.

the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

EDIT: Just to be clear, even if a student is uncomfortable with seeing a police officer at their school (keep in mind that they don’t have to give him a high five), who cares? Why should a few students being scared mean that the cops aren’t allowed on school property? They need to learn that cops exist and that they shouldn’t just assume that all of them are evil and scary.

EDIT2: That’s the point I was getting at in the Star Trek thread by saying that political correctness assumes that all attitudes are worth being sensitive to. If cops giving children high fives to celebrate the weekend and show the students that they are there to help them makes people uncomfortable, then I don’t care and am not going to censor myself for the sake of people’s feelings regarding that issue.

In my mind it is all about self censorship.

I didn’t say that Star Trek didn’t promote inclusiveness because I think that it does and always has.

This is a better thread to talk about political correctness in, but here’s a great example of why I hate it:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/northampton-police-department-high-five-fridays-program-canceled/

I pretty much agree with everything that Handman said. Progressive ideologies do not equate to political correctness.