I don’t want to sound rude, because I really like Bill Hunt, but I don’t get what authority he has regarding this. He seems convinced that it won’t happen this year because of the “news” about the negative being conformed, which I thought that we knew since 2006, but he’s also assuming that no work has been done on that.
Some Star Wars related political stories;
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/1/stormtrooper-costumes-banned-from-star-wars-themed/
Now THIS is political correctness gone too far.
Judging from this quote, I think it’s less “political correctness”…
“We have been informed of the origin of this word (Stormtrooper) and its connections to early- to mid-20th century Germany. This is something neither we nor anyone on your Reunion Committee were aware of”
…and more some people just being idiots, lacking even the most basic knowledge of world history.
Political correctness and ignorance of history usually go hand-in-hand, but how is it not “political correctness”? It’s concern over a term and the banning of behavior in order to preserve people’s feelings. Just because you recognize it to be completely idiotic and insultingly stupid doesn’t mean that it’s not political correctness. This is the No True Scotsman fallacy applied to political correctness.
So…these people are lying, or lazy, or both?
I think it’s anecdotal. I don’t doubt that it’s difficult depending on the situation, but I also find it hard to believe that anyone would be unable to get an ID before the next presidential election in 4 years.
But you don’t know anything. I don’t say that to be rude, I don’t know anything about Verta’s meeting either, but for all anyone knows a ton of awesome stuff came of his meeting.
And for all we know, a ton of Santa’s elves are working on restoring the OOT too by the way.
Since no OOT has been released, and year after year for 20 years we have had nothing but the SE and antiquated garbage LD transfers, the burden of proof lies on the side of those claiming the OOT is just around the corner, not the other way around.
If you guys wanna wait until celebration, then whatever. But if the tune doesn’t change after that, then there is going to be a whole lot of hypocrisy on this board. George’s doors were burning down after a year. Now a generation later and it’s “Disney is going to release the OOT next year”…and then “Disney is going to release the OOT leading up to TFA”…and now “Disney is going to release the OOT for the 40th anniversary”. We know some of the posters are just waiting to move onto the “Disney is going to release the OOT after 2020” nonsense.
They aren’t going to do ****. They are going to continue making **** rip-off movies with ridiculous plotholes, bad acting and directing, scripts written by junior high students, and raking in billions of dollars thanks to brain dead franchise fans.
Also, Fox isn’t and was never going to pay for a restoration of Lucasfilm’s property just to distribute it on home media.
Says who? That is what happens with all film restorations. Every single one. They are old movies. They get released on home video. They are 30 years old. 70 years old. Whatever. They aren’t getting released theatrically to rake in hundreds of millions of dollars. They are old movies. And yet they get restored all the time.
There is some evidence. It might not be concrete, but it’s still evidence. For example, there’s credible word that Disney/Lucasfilm requested a scan of the Library of Congress’s film print of Star Wars.
It’s just a rumor, and even if that’s true, how does that possibly equate to them releasing the OOT this year? How many steps do you have to jump to reach that conclusion?
There are also at least three different people that I’ve interacted with online that claim it’s happening this year; they may all be wrong, that’s completely possible, but it’s still evidence, even if it’s hearsay.
Yeah well, my aunt and uncle, this kid around the block, and that dirty guy with a beard who lives in a van down by the river all told me that too. I guess we can count that as a guarantee.
Whatever, I don’t care, just keep saying what you’re saying.
In more important news, Jeff Sessions doesn’t like poor and/or minority voters. Big shocker there.
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/02/27/voter-id-case-trumps-team-drops-argument-against-texas/
I don’t get the argument at all that somehow minorities aren’t capable of getting an ID. It’s not unreasonable to need an ID to vote.
Just do a few seconds of Googling and you’ll find tons of evidence speaking to how this disenfranchises minorities and the poor (and the elderly). I assume you’ll just dismiss it, but it’s real.
I know, I’ve seen all that, but I still am not convinced that it’s a horrible obstacle to voting. It is more difficult to get a license if you were born before the Great Depression or in a completely rural area, but it’s still doable and you have years to do it because we all know exactly when the elections will be. The worse problem is election day not being on a Sunday and not treated as a holiday, but even that is remedied somewhat by early voting in states where that’s applicable.
They said there’ll be multiple surprises.
Three 4k SE discs.
The 1997,2004 and 2011 cut. What a release that would be.
I think he meant Star Wars, Empire and Jedi. And your scenario would never happen. Unless there is an OUT, a multi-version release is inconceivable. Even if we get the OUT, having multiple SE cuts seems unlikely.
Almost no one cares about it. I’ve seen a few people express some desire to see an end of Jedi with the changed music and the original ghost, but I doubt anyone would want to watch the SE just for that because you’d still have to deal with the stupid changes.
The demographic buying UHD Blu-rays are film enthusiasts first-and-foremost, at least at this point in its lifecycle, and most likely upwards of 30 years of age given how the average cost of a single UHD Blu-ray is around $40, so folks who grew up with the OOT. I don’t think a 4k SE would be met with much enthusiasm at this point. At least this is my assumption.
Especially since 40% of it, because of the CGI, would be uprezzed.
nickyd47 said:
Fox kept the original clippings of the OOT all these years and Mike Verta was requested to have a meeting by officials that were interested in his restoration… but none of this indicates anything.You’re right, it means nothing. From the mid-1990s until 2017, Fox has had the original cut frames in their possession, and in all 20-something of those years, the OOT was never restored and never released. And as far as anyone knows, absolutely nothing came of Mike Verta’s meeting.
But you don’t know anything. I don’t say that to be rude, I don’t know anything about Verta’s meeting either, but for all anyone knows a ton of awesome stuff came of his meeting. Also, Fox isn’t and was never going to pay for a restoration of Lucasfilm’s property just to distribute it on home media. They did for the SW Special Edition because at the time they owned the copyright and they were distributing it theatrically along with the soon to be released prequels.
There is literally no evidence to suggest that the OOT has been restored or will ever be released by Disney. None.
There is some evidence. It might not be concrete, but it’s still evidence. For example, there’s credible word that Disney/Lucasfilm requested a scan of the Library of Congress’s film print of Star Wars. There are also at least three different people that I’ve interacted with online that claim it’s happening this year; they may all be wrong, that’s completely possible, but it’s still evidence, even if it’s hearsay.
They said there’ll be multiple surprises.
Would it be Disney in charge of restoring Star Wars material or Lucasfilm? If it’s the latter then I’m not sure that what Gluck says would even matter. That, and we don’t even know what question he was answering. Better to just reserve all expectations until April rather than go in optimistic or pessimistic.
I agree. I don’t doubt that Gluck knows what he’s talking about, but he wouldn’t be the one to spill the beans if this is actually happening. To my knowledge he didn’t say anything about whether or not restorationists are or have been working on this stuff.
He essentially only confirmed, that the negative of Star Wars is still conformed to the SE. He mentions nothing about the scans of the SE negative or the OOT elements. In other words a digital reconstruction of the OOT can exist, or can be reconstructed, while the physical negative is still conformed to the SE, and the OOT elements are in storage.
^This
The digital bits article basically told us nothing.There is also a reputable poster on the blu-ray forums that says he knows for a “100% fact” that Disney is in the process of or has already finished scanning at 4k every single scrap of Star Wars film in their possession.
Now, I’m sure that’s pretty standard for Disney for archival purposes, and it obviously doesn’t mean they are working on an OOT, but at least it’s something…
It is nice information, but if they have done that, then why would they not work on the OOT at that point? This isn’t Song of the South, there’s no reason for them to not release it.
Would it be Disney in charge of restoring Star Wars material or Lucasfilm? If it’s the latter then I’m not sure that what Gluck says would even matter. That, and we don’t even know what question he was answering. Better to just reserve all expectations until April rather than go in optimistic or pessimistic.
I agree. I don’t doubt that Gluck knows what he’s talking about, but he wouldn’t be the one to spill the beans if this is actually happening. To my knowledge he didn’t say anything about whether or not restorationists are or have been working on this stuff.
I don’t think that the Bits article means anything. We knew that about the negative for ten years and it doesn’t mean that they haven’t already been working on it.
Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:
As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.
He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.
He didn’t pitch his meeting as an offering of the unaltered version of Star Wars.
What exactly was the situation with that meeting?
Did it ever even happen?
I have no idea if it happened, I just know that the way he described it seemed like something that could have easily been misinterpreted as having little to do with Star Wars. It’s hard to say though.
It happened, and Disney said it wasn’t up to them and set a meeting with Fox.
That was his interaction with a Disney person, not the pitch. Either way, he asked not to discuss details on this site so that’ll be the most and last I’ll say of it. He posted in detail on his own forum what the plan was for this month so check that out.
Part of the weirdness comes from the timing, which is right after (what I consider to be) one of the most credible rumors on the OOT, as well as the fact that it’s a weird mistake to make if there is no planned release of the OOT.
Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:
As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.
He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.
He didn’t pitch his meeting as an offering of the unaltered version of Star Wars.
What exactly was the situation with that meeting?
Did it ever even happen?
I have no idea if it happened, I just know that the way he described it seemed like something that could have easily been misinterpreted as having little to do with Star Wars. It’s hard to say though.
I mean, I’m not getting any hopes up, but it does seem like such an oddly specific mistake to make (and an update to the listing, at that). So who knows.
Any chance it might just end up being a streaming GOUT?
That’s what I was wondering.
This reminds me of how people got all excited to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture’s director’s cut up on one of the streaming/download sites only to find out it was simply the dvd master. Same thing happened with Undiscovered Country IIRC.
I doubt that they would just slap the GOUT transfer on Amazon because it would be very low quality. In Lucas’s mind, the low quality was justified because it was an oddity on a bonus disc, but as a product being sold specifically, it wouldn’t cut it. The whole reason there’s a demand for the OOT is because the GOUT was so subpar.
Very true.
In the examples of the Star Trek: TMP and TUC director’s cuts, those were at least from 16:9 480p masters, unlike the GOUT.
Right, they were typical standard definition transfers.
Last time I saw Pablo comment, he said this:
As far as I know, there’s only one person who could make this happen and he hasn’t seemed all that interested.
He’s apparently shifting this onto Lucas. Which doesn’t make sense if Fox and Disney are meeting with Verta on his restoration. But if they had one of their own, they wouldn’t be meeting with Verta saying “we have one, thanks.” I guess we’ll find out at Celebration.
He didn’t pitch his meeting as an offering of the unaltered version of Star Wars.
Go to Amazon and search Return of The Jedi. This is what I saw…
Can someone with twitter tweet this to Pablo Hidalgo?
Come on guys, he’s not going to have anything to say about this. What do you all think he does anyway?
Right. If anything, he’d want to downplay any of these rumors even if it is happening. I’m still curious what he’ll say though.
It’s obviously a mistake. Question is, is it a mistake with meaning?
Right, I don’t think anyone is saying that this was meant to be posted on Amazon.
Since the SE got a theatrical release, this could be technically accurate if they actually changed the video to the '97 version, which I’m sure they haven’t done.
That’d be more shocking than if they released the OOT.
Someone should also send it to Making Star Wars, maybe that will prompt more detail on his supposed evidence.
Please do. He won’t reveal anything though, which, to be fair, isn’t something he’s supposed to do.
I couldn’t imagine watching the entire PT in one sitting or evening.
EDIT: Ah hell.
I couldn’t imagine watching more than half of Attack of the Clones in one week.
You didn’t see it in theaters?
I couldn’t imagine watching the entire PT in one sitting or evening.
EDIT: Ah hell.
I couldn’t imagine watching the entire PT in one sitting or evening.
