m_s0

'Obscure' would be a better term now that it's on youtube for everyone too see. Looks pretty good.

poita said:

I love it, if you ever want it professionally transferred, drop me a line.

I remember doing similar stuff with my old Revere Regular 8 camera, it was wind-up (clockwork driven) and had single frame advance and fit in the palm of your hand.

I love old film tech, thanks so much for sharing!

This belongs in a museum!

Seriously, this is really great stuff. It deserves a proper transfer.

FanFiltration said:

I'm not sure I like it. If Luke used the Force in "Star Wars" to blow up the Death Star, doesn't that mean The Force has been awake all along?

Apparently that is not the case. My first thought was: how can the thing that 'binds the galaxy together' be dormant/asleep/otherwise unavailable? That's an idea you could do something interesting with, actually, but I have a feeling this isn't that kind of a movie.

On the upside: it doesn't have a PT ring to it, and that's not a bad thing. Maybe it'll grow on me, or maybe it'll be justified by the story. Or maybe it won't matter.

Handman said:

A bit generic. Could be better.

They all are. You don't get more generic than 'The Empire Strikes Back.' If you titled Blade Runner in the same fashion you'd get something along the lines of 'A Guy Chases Some Robots.'

I'm sure Fox is contacting their best hitmen this very moment to ensure there won't be any problems with George.

They're not ignoring it. They haven't announced anything OOT, because they don't want to spread the hype too thin and lose momentum before they even get an official teaser out. There isn't even a title for Ep VII yet.

Feallan said:

fullmetal777 said:

My budget is infinite. Which Ld player is the best?

If your budget is infinite, buy a 16/35mm projector with a couple of films and spend the rest on Star Wars memorabilia.

Fixed.

But yeah, if you've got a crapton of money and you want quality you should go hunting for film, not for ancient LDs :P

knreuben said:

I am confused if I should upgrade to the blu ray...

And once a release worth paying for comes out you should, because the 2004 DVDs are garbage. The 2011 BD set isn't worth it since you've already got a crappy official release. Wait a year and vote for quality with your wallet.

pittrek said:

The ONLY reason why I bought the Bluray set were the fantastic deleted scenes. I have seen the movies from the set once and I never plan to watch them again, but the "bonus discs" are great

I'd say the BD extras are hit or miss overall. And I have a feeling that we're going to get all that, the glaring omissions, and more in the Disney monstrosity of a set that'll invevitably come out late next year or early 2016. And if we don't you'll still be able to grab the 2011 set if there's anything on there you'll feel you want.

Bottom line: don't buy it now. Wait and see.

No idea, because - thankfully - that'd never happen.

A BFI SW SE screening would be like a Michael Bay movie getting a Criterion release.

HotRod said:

I too believe they will release a super fuck off box set in 2007!

Well, the 'fuck off' part did indeed come true in 2011.

Koryo Songhay said:

What? Bioware is known for being bad at storyteling?  

For the most part people don't care about narrative in video games so my guess is: they probably aren't. Who cares, though? You can whack things until they drop dead and romance some terrible npcs recycled from other Bioware games where you can whack things until they drop dead and romance some terrible npcs recycled from other Bioware games. Yay.

Yeah, I'm still bitter over the fact that after an incredibly exciting and creative period in the 90s when crpgs bloomed (Fallout, Planescape: Torment, Arcanum to name a few examples) there came the Dark Ages when crpgs had to cater to the widest possible audience and become bloated, terribly written, mind-numbingly dull self-parodies in order to even recoup the ridiculous budgets spent on presentation - a focus which impeded every other aspect of said games.

Koryo Songhay said:

No sabers and no Jedi.

I'd be fine with that as well. Not that there's ever going to be a Star Wars movie completely devoid of Jedi.

Jedi not using lightsabers doesn't seem like an outlandish concept to me, though. The Emperor wasn't particularily fond of them so who says he's the only one? If the Death Star wasn't a match for the power of The Force why would a silly laser sword be any better? :)

Koryo Songhay said:

If new movies happen sooner i could easily see massive sith and Jedi armies, it just looks exciting. I never heard of Revan fans hating the OT characters.

I'm bored by lightsabers at this point. Back in the OT days they served the story. Now they're there to sell toys - the more the better. I'd be up for a Star Wars movie without lightsabers, honestly.

Koryo Songhay said:

darklordoftech said:

I'm so glad that they're avoiding that "eras" crap that plagued the Legends EU. All that Legacy and Old Republic stuff were the worst things to ever happen to Star Wars besides the non-release of the OOT.

 Plagued? It helped authors so they were not stepping on each others toes. You think even KOTOR was bad?

KotOR1 is a pretty bad game overall and in its best moments it's barely mediocre. It's the usual Bioware fare with horrible writing, abysmal quest design, poor story etc. The idea for the twist was pretty good, but the foundations for it just weren't there. KotOR2, on the other hand, despite all its technical shortcomings, and even despite the fact it wasn't finished, was great.

Here we go again.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Hal 9000 said:

Maybe I'm not charitable enough to Star Wars' patriarch, but the most recent creative input from Lucas that I'm aware of is giving Palpatine the name "Sheeve." 

I honestly take comfort knowing Lucas is removed from the bulk of what's going on.

"Sheeve" is totally a name I'd associate with a pasty-faced, dark side-wielding emperor. *rollseyes*

Shteeve?

If you absolutely have to do so then watch the PT last. Drunk. With Rifftrax. Backstroke of the West might also be a relatively decent choice.

Hey, you asked ;)

I have, but it was a pretty subtle difference (so not "lay"). Somewhere in between that and "Lee." I wonder what the statistics are. No, seriously.

CatBus said:

Aggh, conflicting opinions on Leigh's name (Molly offered "Lee" in another thread). Anyone got anything authoritative on that one for a tiebreaker? Or a podcast we can listen to to find out for ourselves?

Well, I have it on good authority that it's spelled 'Leigh,' but it's actually pronounced 'Throatwobbler Mangrove.'

Anyway, the only truly reliable source would be the owner herself. Everyone else is just going to pronounce it however they please, and that may not be accurate, regardless of whether the pronunciation is technically correct or not. Case in point: Ralph Fiennes. Or 'Rayph,' as he prefers to call himself in speaking.

RicOlie_2 said:

Also, CatBus, I believe the Leigh rhymes with sleigh.

I'd vote for that as well. Lee and Leigh are relatively similar-sounding so it would make more sense to me to accentuate the difference between the two in pronunciation. But like I said above: your best bet is to find a clip of the owner pronouncing it herself.

Nothing Abrams has done so far convinces me of his ability to tell a story well - it's as simple as that. Let's hope that Super 8 wasn't an accident (aside from that wretched final act), and that the Star Trek reboots weren't his fault.

Ryan McAvoy said:

m_s0 said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Just watched the first part. I'll avoid any kind of spoilers...

First things first, the animation is indeed terrible, amateurish, floaty, overdone, underdone, uninspired etc. However, everything else is soooo right that that first major flaw is quite easy to overlook.

It only took 31 years but finally somebody has made a film/video that actually felt like honest to goodness Star Wars. You care about the characters, the story, the stakes and the drama. It's got blaster shootouts, dogfights, last-minute-escapes and danger. After watching, it seemed easy and obvious: Just take all the good things about the OT and then make a show featuring them. Maybe it just took GL not being in the way to do this seemingly simple thing.

When one of the characters pulls out a certain thing towards the end it felt like something special and epic. I was so pumped by the end that when a certain other character from the OT uttered a certain 3 word refrence back to the OT, I suddenly surprised myself and shoved my fist in the air and shouted "Yes!".

I cannot wait to see more of this show and if the ST is even just a little better than this then I'll be happy.

(Oh and no crawl, there's always fanedits)

You might be missing the point here. Rebels is the crawl.

Whaaa? I made no point about the crawl for which I could have hit or missed.

You say there's no crawl and imply it's missing (that's how I took it, at least). I say there shouldn't be a crawl, because it would've been like having a crawl to set up the crawl in Star Wars. This show is a purely a side-thing and it should stay this way - it ties into the OT, it can do its own thing on a much smaller scale (I hope) and that's very cool. It creates opportunities for different kinds of stories.

Ryan McAvoy said:

m_s0 said:

Aside from that... the show on the whole feels very much inspired, it's just that the character animation is lacking... we're in agreement.

I never said the show as a whole felt uninspired (Quite the opposit!), I said the character animation was lacking (e.g. "the animation is.... uninspired"). We are in total agreement about all aspects, unless I'm not understanding your point.

'Lacking' isn't the same as 'uninspired', though, and that was my point. You may lack the resources to make something look great, but that doesn't mean there's no will make it look so in the first place. I just disagree with the use of 'uninspired' in this context. Unless, say, the animators were huge PT fans and thus had no passion for Rebels whatsoever.

Vozlov said:

Literally the only thing I'm not liking at the moment is some of the high octane animation sequences because they don't seem to have the right 'weight', and the actual models and textures seem quite cheap.

Agreed. Another issue is that it's way too frenetic at times and the storytelling suffers because of it.

DominicCobb said:

C-3PO and R2-D2 struck me as nothing but fan service. It was weird, when I saw them appear I was like "yeah okay whatever"

Yup, it was a bit jarring to me as well. It's obvious stuff like this is going to keep popping up, but I'd love it if the show had as little to do with the main story of the OT as possible.

Yeah, he's not the only one:

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/nov/20/the-hobbit-gandalf-ian-mckellen-almost-quit-acting

Doesn't surprise me.

SilverWook said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat

I know what IRC is. I was just being a smart-ass about that ''s' in the title. It's a pet peeve of mine :)

IRC's what?

bkev said:

The people who think this early renewal is silly obviously haven't been watching the Marvel movies ;) same business model, different medium. While I question its validity on the whole -- kind of cheapens the movies especially, and makes me feel like I'm paying for a part rather than a whole and being suckered -- I'm not complaining if it gives me more Star Wars!

Going to watch the premiere soon and give my (abbreviated) thoughts.

I don't see how the first instance in 30 years of OT Star Wars done, period, not to mention done well (in movie/tv form) cheapens anything.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Just watched the first part. I'll avoid any kind of spoilers...

First things first, the animation is indeed terrible, amateurish, floaty, overdone, underdone, uninspired etc. However, everything else is soooo right that that first major flaw is quite easy to overlook.

It only took 31 years but finally somebody has made a film/video that actually felt like honest to goodness Star Wars. You care about the characters, the story, the stakes and the drama. It's got blaster shootouts, dogfights, last-minute-escapes and danger. After watching, it seemed easy and obvious: Just take all the good things about the OT and then make a show featuring them. Maybe it just took GL not being in the way to do this seemingly simple thing.

When one of the characters pulls out a certain thing towards the end it felt like something special and epic. I was so pumped by the end that when a certain other character from the OT uttered a certain 3 word refrence back to the OT, I suddenly surprised myself and shoved my fist in the air and shouted "Yes!".

I cannot wait to see more of this show and if the ST is even just a little better than this then I'll be happy.

(Oh and no crawl, there's always fanedits)

You might be missing the point here. Rebels is the crawl. And an apology that's stuffed with nods to the OT, but one that never gets meta or self-referential in that annoying way almost everything seems to be these days. Let's hope it'll stay watchable.

Aside from that, and from your comment about the animation being uninspired (the show on the whole feels very much inspired, it's just that the character animation is lacking), we're in agreement.

One thing that bugged me (aside from the animation) is that the cuts felt a bit rushed sometimes and that they gave some scenes no room to breathe, even though there was a clear need for it, but that's how those kids shows are these days so I wasn't surprised to see this in Rebels. Not a major complaint by any means.

On the whole this is OT Star Wars through and through, in all the ways it should be. Yes, I agree with point5 that it feels modern and very Disney, but it never gets too obnoxious the way some of the worst offenders among shows for kids tend to get. Personally, I found Rebels to be a good mix of the old and the contemporary (and the Disney).

Basically, I went in extremely skeptical and I got converted. And yes, I felt a bit like a kid watching the original Star Wars for the first time again. That's pretty much the highest praise I can give anything Star Wars.

So... yeah. Apology accepted, Disney/Lucasfilm. Just don't get cocky.

xhonzi said:

luckydube56 said:

 Holy crap!  Do it!

Yeah, I think I'd be fine with this as well. Bradley Cooper doesn't have it at all, but Pratt might be right for the part, and not just because of the look.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Despite everything that looks wrong with this, I'm looking forward to the movie-length first part like nothing else. Because from a certain point of view, it's the first proper* Star Wars movie to be released in 30 years!

(* I choose to define "proper" as it featuring Stormtroopers, the Empire, Rebels, beat-up technology, new young charismatic characters, fun, excitement and everything that the 3 prequels and the Clone Wars movie lacked)

Correction. When they said "movie-length", they actually meant "not movie-length". I'm going back to my default pessimism about this show.

Then after having watched the awesome 45minute (Distinctly not feature-length) first episode...

Tobar said:

Well that was quick! I guess the preview turn out was good:

DISNEY XD ORDERS SECOND SEASON OF STAR WARS REBELS AHEAD OF TELEVISION PREMIERE

Star Wars Rebels will be introduced via a television movie, Star Wars Rebels: Spark of Rebellion, premiering Friday, October 3 (9:00 p.m., ET/PT) on Disney Channel in the U.S. and Monday, October 6 (8:00 p.m., ET/PT) on Disney XD in the U.S.  It ushers in the series beginning Monday, October 13 (9:00 p.m., ET/PT) on Disney XD in the U.S.  The series will air in 34 languages across 163 countries in over 400 million households.

...so the 45 minute episode I've seen was just a preview of part 1 and tomorrow will be the full-length 90 minute (Spark Part 1 & 2)????

Is it just me or are Disney making this much more confusing than it needed to be. Anybody got anything official on this situation?

Harmy said:

Boy, am I glad I didn't watch it now :-)

From what I can tell (CW was the same way, imdb lists Rebels as such), this is a 30min show. Double that for the pilot and you get a 1h slot, so approx. 45 minutes without the commercials. I think I saw the pilot mentioned as an hour-long tv movie in one of the announcements somewhere as well.

Bingowings said:

Technically speaking the arc to Han's character begins and ends in the first film.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. In terms of his character alone, in isolation, yeah. In terms of the overall story and especially of the great story that could've been, I say not quite.

That probably sounds a bit odd, but the way I see it Han faces the consequences of his actions in Empire, and I've always seen this to be a) the perfect continuation of his arc from Star Wars and b) the ideal set-up for a tragic end that would've provided the much needed motivation for Leia, Chewie and Lando in Jedi, and thus would've made everything gel for the finale.

I hate how loose and meandering Jedi feels and how it's clearly not thought out properly, and while you can salvage the Luke vs the Emperor bits with fairly straightforward rewrites of a few lines (that's just the quick and dirty solution, obviously), the rest of Jedi is just too big of a mess to fix it that way. With Han's death pretty much all the major problems are solved.

That's just my idea, anyway. Not sure if I managed to convey it clearly, but there you go.

Bingowings said:

She is attracted to Han because he is unpredictable and irreverent (and rather dishy). There could have been a lot of mileage left in what happens to Leia and Han if they settle down, if he stops being a scoundrel ; if he stops being so dishy (imagine if the carbonite had permanently scarred him) ; if he was vulnerable (no longer able to be the flyboy pirate because he is permanently blind and bitter because of it).

There's potential for good drama in those ideas, but it doesn't sound very fitting for Star Wars to me. Still, I would've preferred that instead of "Hey, it's me" etc.