luckydube56

TV’s Frink said:

Sigh. I understand all of that. I give up.

Soooo…I win?

TV’s Frink said:

I understand that part, buy you said “she looks past him eyes scanning for Han and realizing he is not there.”

Yes. That in conjunction with the shared moment. She has that moment but she has it with Rey. And Chewie is just a complete stranger to her in that moment.

I’ve learned to forgive George Lucas (as if it is my place to forgive Lucas in the first place).

He gave birth to Star Wars. No one else would have. And I think he is well congnizant of the PT’s failings.

Had he helmed Episode 7, we all assume it would have floundered but we dont know that.

He may not be the best director (well we know he isnt) but he is a good story teller and facilitator of the impossible.

TV’s Frink said:

luckydube56 said:

In all seriousness, the scene where Chewie walks past Leia seems a gigantic omission on the part of Abrams. I mean we were all expecting the tears to start flowing when Chewie approaches Leia and she looks past him eyes scanning for Han and realizing he is not there.

She knows the moment he’s killed. They show her reaction when it happens.

I know. I’m speaking to the fact there is no shared empathetic moment between her and Chewie in particular…the 2 people in this galaxy who should care about Han Solo above all others. Yet no shared moment.

John Doom said:

He’s still bitter because he didn’t get a medal.

SilverWook said:

They had a secret love affair for quite some time. It all fell apart after some rather compromising images were leaked by the First Order for propaganda purposes…

You guys are a riot. It does explain all the awkwardness.

In all seriousness, the scene where Chewie walks past Leia seems a gigantic omission on the part of Abrams. I mean we were all expecting the tears to start flowing when Chewie approaches Leia and she looks past him eyes scanning for Han and realizing he is not there. We didnt get that though. Very strange and to me the one and only truly unforgivable thing. I demand a director’s cut with CG tears.

Other than that, the other criticisms from me you can chalk up to scars of cynicism brought on by adulthood. It’s still a pretty good movie that I kind of actually like. 😃

I didnt like how Chewie walked right past Leia after returning from their mission where Han dies. Are they strangers?

imperialscum said:

joefavs said:

luckydube56 said:

Couple of random thoughts/musings:

1. Is Princess Leia the new Jar Jar Binks? Her acting was so wooden. There was nothing behind her aged face that reminded me of Princess Leia. When I saw Han Solo bound thru the door of the Falcon the first time, he seemed very much like Han Solo. I didnt see Princess Leai in this film at all. Fisher might as well have been playing a different character. Will Leia become a drag on each film gong forward?

I’m having trouble connecting this part to the rest of your point. Is everything we don’t like in Star Wars automatically the new Jar Jar Binks? Jar Jar sucks because he’s racist and shrill. That comparison should mean something more specific than “not good”.

Allow me to draw the connection. Jar Jar was useless and was there to attract kids. Leia is useless and is here to attract (some of) OT fans.

I knew she would suck if she appeared again and I said so back when she was confirmed for the role. A lot of people here were “flaming” me back then for that.

What I’m trying to relate with my Fisher as Jar Jar comment is will she become the new hate magnet that draws criticism in all three movies?

The Force Awakens was by no means a bad film but Fisher’s continued lack luster performance and inability to relate back to Princess Leia will be a distraction in the new trilogy and perhaps the one consistent low point assuming all else goes well. And if all else nose dives, she will be cited endlessly as a negative root cause. Perhaps she just wasnt given much to work with though I find that unlikely given who the director is and his reputation as an actor’s director. Maybe what we got in the finished film was all JJ could allow. Will future directors be forced to unceremoniously push her into the background as Lucas did with Jar Jar and thus drawing even more criticism?

I know it sounds mean. I feel bad for her as she has recently tweeted that comments about her appearance have taken their toll on her especially comments about plastic surgery. But she can turn things around with a less wooden performance.

She is Princess Friggen Leia and we love her and want her back.

Couple of random thoughts/musings:

1. Is Princess Leia the new Jar Jar Binks? Her acting was so wooden. There was nothing behind her aged face that reminded me of Princess Leia. When I saw Han Solo bound thru the door of the Falcon the first time, he seemed very much like Han Solo. I didnt see Princess Leai in this film at all. Fisher might as well have been playing a different character. Will Leia become a drag on each film gong forward?

2. The Falcon scenes were all amazing right up until Han Solo got killed. After that moment I think the Falcon will forever haunt me. Seeing Chewy in the pilot’s seat was weird. I’d never seen him sitting in that spot. Seeing Rey in that seat going forward is going to feel awkward for me. I think we’ve all come to grips with the fact that Han Solo was going to die no matter what. But it doesnt change the fact that our imagination with regard to Han Solo is somehow ‘capped’. After ROTJ our heroes lived on in our imaginations. I mean movie heroes don’t die. James Bond will never have a death scene. Neither will Indiana Jones. I’m not criticizing the film because of the death of Solo…it’s just different and a bit of a paradigm shift to see a fictional hero from my childhood meet his demise. It happens in comics I suppose but its new for a movie hero. The real possibility exists that all 3 of the main OT characters will be killed off by the end of the new trilogy.

I liked it!!!..???

That’s kind of how I feel. Emphatically I guess I kind of liked it.

Is this film a sacrificial baffle? Is its sole purpose to set up the rest of the trilogy? Is its only job to bring us back into this galaxy? The characters are good…not Han, Luke and Leia good but they’re likable. At least some portion of my overall general positive outlook on TFA is due to the fact that there is hope for a director to come in and take the characters JJ established and make a better movie.

But then again…we may have to come to grips with the fact that attempts at additional sagas may prove futile.

I have a feeling that in retrospect, a handful of one-off standalone films may tower over any and all future sagas.

They should call the next one “Lord of the Jedi: Fellowship of the Lightsaber”

TavorX said:

JasonSims said:

What if Rey is Obi Wan’s granddaughter?

How exactly though? They would have to shoehorn in that Obi Wan had a mistress, but the Obi Wan we know was a hermit/monk. It just wouldn’t really flow well into the narrative of Star Wars. The Skywalkers are the only known Jedi to have fooled around.

That would make Rey 35-40 yrs old at minimum. I like it.

CNN reporting twitter accounts for those who have seen it. No spoilers and no detiled reviews but initial impressions are in. Positive is an understatement.

JCM said:

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-7-force-awakens-simon-pegg-genuinely-magical/

Was listening to the Far, Far, Away Podcast this morning and Simon is taking a hit for his comments about the Prequels but the man speaks the truth.

I mean, I accept the Prequels on their own terms. They exist, I don’t want them written out of history. But they are not good movies. TPM was maybe one of the worst movie-going experiences I have ever had in my nearly 40 years. I wonder if this is maybe a generational thing. Gen X loved the OT because it spoke to them and Millennials (not all of them, but a lot) are more apt to like the PT.

What I cannot abide by is the fact that the OT that we are forced to live with in the public domain now is not recognizable to what I grew up with. If I can be forgiving to the PT and say “let 'em live” then we should at least have the OT available to us as they were originally released and not retroactively changed to fit the PT (or other whims). Even if it makes for an uneven viewing experience, that’s fine. They don’t all have to fit together and make sense. They can exist together in the same family without all having to agree with each other as long as they agree with each other among themselves, PT, OT and now ST, respectively.

Yeah. In my mind the PT exists as history with just the facts.

Obi Wan and Liam Neeson find Anakin as a child
Raise him up to be jedi
He is extremely adept in Force powers
He is generally a good guy
Falls in love with Padme
Then tragedy befalls him and he goes ape shit
Emperor gets hold of him and seals his fate.

All the details in between are irrelevant in my galaxy view. The nuances dont matter as that stuff exists in the movies and sucks.

Dylanlip said:

Ziggy Stardust said:

A trend that I've noticed in the three previews of this film is that it's taking itself too seriously. Cryptic dialogue, an unrelenting dark/sad tone, and a refusal to say what the film is about, other than "it's about Star Wars." Where's the fun banter? The simple, swashbuckling adventure style?

Pretty important point here that's kinda being ignored. It's the best term I can link to that elusive "Star Wars feel". It's not just "Well the old films were from the 70s/80s, what'd you expect?" Star Wars is much more classic swashbuckler fantasy (Like the old Douglas Fairbanks films of the 10s/20s or serials like Flash Gordon) than sci-fi or modern action. Both OT and Indiana Jones master that style. Granted the characters in-universe may need some level of seriousness, but the near-deadpan expressions and dialouge, along with the lack of shots SHOWING said style in the trailer doesn't exactly give any hope that it'll "feel" like Star Wars to us, practical effects or not.

From what's given to us so far, I'm not hooked yet. But I guess we'll see. Remember that there was heavy denial at the release of Phantom Menace.

I hear what you are saying.

The early clips we've seen thus far suggest a dire situation and the mood seems much more like LOTR than the OT.  But on the plus side it seems much more like LOTR than the PT.

Does that make it less Star Wars?  I dont know.  I just want a good product.  And truth be told, this movie 'feels' like what the PT should have felt like...the great tragedy.

One thing though...the cast of the LOTR all spoke with great reverence for the material.  The cast of this film spoke endlessly of how fun this movie was.

I think we'll get our moments of levity and it will be fun.  The music and constant imagery of a serious crisis are fundamental to the plot; not necessarily the mood.  

The trailer is grandiose and somber because of the score and I believe there will be a tragic ending and moments of poignancy in between what i still think will be a raucous high adventure type of film.

Darth Lars said:

I feel ... wrong.

A part of me is telling me that I should be excited about the movie, and want to see it.

Yet... all I can feel is antipathy towards it. The trailer does not feel like Star Wars.

towne32 said:

http://movietrailers.apple.com/movies/lucasfilm/starwarstheforceawakens/swepvii-tlr2_h1080p.mov

Just because a link is named ".mov" does not mean that it is a ".mov" file, unfortunately. Apple is up to some shenaningans ...

 I hear you and on some level I agree.  It wont feel exactly like Star Wars but instead it will be someone else's version with some of the same characters and themes.

The thing with the original trilogy is there was so much wonder in a Universe that was still largely unexplored by us fans.  Additional movies can do nothing but unveil what was best left to the imagination.

But i have every confidence TFA will stand as an outstanding movie all on its own.  It doesnt have to have the same feel of Lucas' original trilogies.  

And anyone excited about The Rogue One spin off thinking its going to feel like Star Wars is likely setting themselves up for disappointment.  It will feel even less ike Star Wars that TFA is likely to.

TV's Frink said:

luckydube56 said:

pablumatic said:

Ziggy Stardust said:

I really hope Rey wasn't crying for the reason I think she was crying.

 I suspect she's crying over Max Von Sydow's character biting it. Hopefully.

My other thoughts. Same Luke scene we had with the second teaser. Nothing new with him.

The guys crowding around Kylo in the rain in the middle of the trailer are probably the other Knights of Ren. 

No Snoke.

Lots of action sequences.

Looks like we wait two more months to find out anything else.

 That didnts look like Max Von Sydow unless he has a beard that covers his chest.

 That's no beard...

 Exactly.

pablumatic said:

Ziggy Stardust said:

I really hope Rey wasn't crying for the reason I think she was crying.

 I suspect she's crying over Max Von Sydow's character biting it. Hopefully.

My other thoughts. Same Luke scene we had with the second teaser. Nothing new with him.

The guys crowding around Kylo in the rain in the middle of the trailer are probably the other Knights of Ren. 

No Snoke.

Lots of action sequences.

Looks like we wait two more months to find out anything else.

 That didnts look like Max Von Sydow unless he has a beard that covers his chest.

It was glorious.

45 seconds and counting

Monday Night Football Half Time will feature the trailer

unamochilla2 said:

swagmasta69 said:

I heard that the end of the film is Rey bringing Luke his lightsaber on this island in Ireland where he is in exile/hiding/meditating/whatever.

There's a rumor that Luke is Rey's father and that he left her on Jakku for her protection.  He should know that desert planets aren't safe havens. ;-)

 Luke must have a thing for tall women.

Lucas made Star Wars all while defying convention of the day.  He didnt know any better.  He was gifted but still an idealistic noob.

He was part of a group of young Hollywood film makers who were determined to show that you dont have to know the rules or play by them.

I like what Disney is doing.  Well....I dont like it per se but it doesnt bother me either.  There are going to be some duds but some real gems too.  The duds wont alter my perception or appreciation of the OT.  The Prequels certainly didn't.

It almost seems natural that Ingruber would get the nod.

But to me, he's like a robot.  Full disclosure I have no idea his quality as an actor in his own right.  

However, if he does get the nod, Id actually prefer he tone it down a bit.  It's almost a caricature how spot on he is.  It would be too distracting.

I have this same issue when watching actors portraying a historical person.  I just sit there and think, "he's doing a great impression...but its not him".  That would totally take me out of the film. 

There is a danger in hiring a guy who does a great impression.

What's a young Han Solo?

Child Solo?

Teen Solo?

In his 20s Solo?

And how old was Han Solo in Star Wars?  Ford was 35 in '77.  Was he supposed to be younger than that in the film?

My hope is that they find a good quality actor who plays a Han Solo near the same age as in Star Wars; perhaps even that it segues into the first film.

Solo and Chewy screwing over Jabba, dodging the Empire and bounty hunters has more potential than some origin story.  

I dont need to know about his sad orphan childhood.  I dont need to know about his former imperial career or how he met Chewy or how he even won the Falcon from Lando (though I'd like to see Lando in the film)

Pure swashbuckling action.  You wont get that from teen Solo or even a 24 year old Solo.

We're all worried about the actor and how he wouldnt be able to portray that same worldly savvy and cynicism.....the worst thing to that end would be to make him young and inexperienced.

eta:  well sh!t.  Just found out it will be about a young solo.  Okay.  I'm still on board.

AntcuFaalb said:

Anchorhead said:

Yet I'm beyond excited and completely on-board with the seventh film now that Lucas is completely uninvolved.

I am too, but it has less to do with Lucas' lack of involvement for me and more to do with the following image.

 Agree.  Taken straight from the Cantina.  Look at the droid.  Why wouldn't there be a female pirate droid?  Of course there would be.  There is a droid bounty hunter in ESB.  There is definitely a Star Wars look to the whole thing that extends beyond the troopers or the falcon.