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The context is about the plan. Finn’s plan is to use the Force to come up with a plan. That is indeed, not how the Force works.
I think Finn meant that they would force their way in and Han misheard him and got angry. That’s not how the force works but that’s how old age works.
The Anthology films have the luxury of being able to stand on their own merits as simply good movies in the Star Wars galaxy. The saga films have to match a certain aesthetic of the original trilogy…an impossible task.
This movie has a real chance of shooting up toward the top of my list behind Star Wars and Empire.
You know, the design concepts of the original trilogy had been co-opted and plundered so much by other film franchises that the designs like the one you posted above look like just another in a long line of knock off spaceships.
It’s gotten to the point that, for me at least, to look like it belongs in the SW universe, it can barely stray at all from its original trilogy genes.
The Tie Fighters of TFA look like they belong because, they’re Tie Fighters. The folding wing shuttle in TFA has a strong Star Wars aesthetic.
And while this looks like Star Wars
This absolutely does not
I actually do have a small bit of admiration for some of their attempts at creating a new design aesthetic in the Prequels.
In particular, I’ve always liked the look of this:
It kind of reminds me of a “1950s futurism”.
It looks as if someone from the 1950s envisioned what space ships would look like. Well they’d look like the era’s cutting edge design concepts of course!!!
The thing is, it’s still not Star Wars. It’s a different Galaxy. Ironically (or maybe not), Lucas finally made his Flash Gordon films and tried to cram Star Wars characters and lore into them.
Ep 8 is what will make or break this trilogy. People were very forgiving of Ep 7. It was a tool used to wipe the shitty taste of the Prequels off the pallet of angry SW fans. It accomplished its goal and not much more. If we just end up getting more of the same in ep 8, there will be backlash.
Are we going to count Rogue One and other spin offs in these rankings?
Oh I’m counting on them to bolster the franchise going forward. There is a lot more freedom in the spin offs than the skywalker saga trilogy stories which are more strictly bound to rules.
I think there will be much more freedom and injection of different styles in the spin offs that allow directors to play to their own strengths. They will be good movies set in the Star Wars Galaxy rather than emulations of George Lucas’ original product which some may argue was a happy accident.
Saw TFA for the third time.
The future of the Franchise remains promising. TFA is basking in the glow of fans who were starved and managed to do enough to satiate them but it is not an achievement that will be difficult to surpass. It wont be long before TFA gets bumped down to 5th, then 6th etc for me personally. And when a film comes along that bumps ROTJ down, that’s when I’ll know that SW is truly back.
Is anyone else concerned that apparently the reason why the reason they are already narrowing down the casting is for a cameo in Rogue One? I don’t see where Han Solo would fit into a story revolving around stealing the Death Star plans.
Easy:
Rebels crew need some equipment and more men for the mission. They go to Jabba’s palace to hire some “talents” and buy some technical things. They Meet Han Solo who declines the mission because they don’t want to tell him what it’s all about and because Jabba already gave him a mission anyway (Chewie’s roars of approval to end the scene and here’s your cameo!)EDIT: my problem is that they want to make a younger Han Solo and Rogue One, as far as I know, is set right before Episode 4.
Exactly. It seems impossible unless somehow the rebels stole the plans and then it took 10 years or more to get the plans to Leia or they give the plans to a 11 yr old Leia who is not allowed to access the plans until she is of age like some kind of trust fund which would be very lame.
Christ just make him a man. Han Solo was never a cheeky young boy. Han Solo was always a man. I dont want to know what it was that scarred him. I dont want to see a Tiger Beat Teen Solo where they’re in Galactic High School. I dont need to know his orphanage or whether his mother was abducted by Sand People.
Solo should be an episodic unconnected galactic adventure film. I dont need to know him as a child. And besides kids in the Star Wars galaxy suck.
Maybe not visual effects related per se, but I’m not sure how i feel about some of the design concepts in TFA.
The x wings and tie fighters were lifted straight from the originals and mcquarries drawings and i have no problem with that.
But some of the other things seemed out of place to me.
The armored creature that the scavenger was sitting on when he had netted BB8 had an odd look to me. It seemed less Star Wars and more Mech Warrior to me.
I wish i had seen what Han Solo’s freighter looked like as what little we did see was non-descript. But I get an Aliens vibe from it for some reason. Or maybe it just seems like your run of the mill generic large sized space ship. Star Wars influenced so many sci - fi designs of other franchises in the 80s and 90s so i guess its no surprise. But I dont want Star Wars to fall into the trap of becoming a weak rip off of itself.
They got the spaceship battles right. The sounds throughout the film were also perfect.
How old is this ‘young’ Han Solo supposed to be?
As you may or may not know, he is supposed to appear in Rogue One played by the same actor who will appear in the spin off.
Han Solo, or at least Harrison Ford, was in his 30s in A New Hope. If Rogue One is about the rebels stealing the death star plans, doesnt that place it in the same exact time as ANH?
I knew the first Star Wars had charm when C3P0 and R2D2 scamper across a narrow corridor of the Tantive IV while Stormtroopers and Rebel fighters were shooting at each other. The scene is utterly ridiculous and simultaneously wonderful and engaging because of that fact. In the midst of this deadly situation, those two goof ball droids walked right across and managed to not get shot! Even my child mind could perceive the irony.
I always thought this scene foreshadowed their coming adventure, and the trilogy as a whole really. These two were blessed by fate and bound to come through unscathed — after being repaired a few times, of course 😃
It’s important to remember that the Force is a guiding agent that pushes characters in the Star Wars universe together and into “coincidental” circumstances, and their actions are an entertaining blend of destiny and self-motivation, but it can be difficult to discern the difference between the Force and just plain lazy writing.
That may also be true from a certain point of view. I prefer to see it as a not so wise smuggler once said “I call it luck”.
I think the biggest take away from the video is criticism of a science fantasy fairy tale by way of logical inconsistency is ironic.
I’m pretty sure that was the whole point of the videos.
EDIT: I guess that’s what you actually meant(?)
That’s exactly what I meant. One can critique TFA for whatever but I’ve seen this recent phenomenon among fans where they proclaim their incredulity of the spectacular unlikelihood of something in a film that is pure fantasy.
It’s not a fair criticism. Star Wars suffers from the same weaknesses but not the same criticism.
Fans who did not like TFA did not like it for reasons they cannot quite put their finger on. So they go this odd route of critiquing a fantastical universe that does not obey the laws and protocols of the familiar and mundane.
ETA: I’m one of the fans who is luke warm to TFA but I’m staying away from pointing out logic inconsistencies because I cant find ways to fix those and make this movie more satisfactory. It’s something else and I dont quite know what though I think I get closer and closer each day to my own truth about Fairy Tales in general.
I knew the first Star Wars had charm when C3P0 and R2D2 scamper across a narrow corridor of the Tantive IV while Stormtroopers and Rebel fighters were shooting at each other. The scene is utterly ridiculous and simultaneously wonderful and engaging because of that fact. In the midst of this deadly situation, those two goof ball droids walked right across and managed to not get shot! Even my child mind could perceive the irony.
I always thought this scene foreshadowed their coming adventure, and the trilogy as a whole really. These two were blessed by fate and bound to come through unscathed — after being repaired a few times, of course 😃
It’s important to remember that the Force is a guiding agent that pushes characters in the Star Wars universe together and into “coincidental” circumstances, and their actions are an entertaining blend of destiny and self-motivation, but it can be difficult to discern the difference between the Force and just plain lazy writing.
That may also be true from a certain point of view. I prefer to see it as a not so wise smuggler once said “I call it luck”.
I think the biggest take away from the video is criticism of a science fantasy fairy tale by way of logical inconsistency is ironic.
ugh…edited.
sorry Universe. I hope nobody read that.
disregard
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Also shooting along a trench is a bad defensive measure. It is inherently dangerous as the only direction of fire can be absolutely parallel to the trench itself. Even the slightest angular deviation from 0 degrees will result in the blast being directed at a trench wall. This makes at least as little sense as the cross guard on Kylo’s saber.
I think fandom grasps hard for things to explain why they disliked something they disliked. Star Wars is every bit as logically flawed as the PT. But we like Star Wars because it connect on some level whether that be emotionally or some other way. It is not beloved because it is logically consistent.
Fans use logic gaps to discuss why they didn’t like something because their minds go into debate mode.
Thanks for sharing and I really agree.
I dont know about ‘plot holes’ per se. However, he makes points I’ve always agreed with. A lot of criticism has been leveled against the PT (as well as TFA) for logical inconsistencies, continuity issues, and incredulity. Now I have issues with those films but logical inconsistencies and such are not among them.
My favorite of the Star Wars films was the first one. And it almost flies in the face of logic…proudly so.
I knew the first Star Wars had charm when C3P0 and R2D2 scamper across a narrow corridor of the Tantive IV while Stormtroopers and Rebel fighters were shooting at each other. The scene is utterly ridiculous and simultaneously wonderful and engaging because of that fact. In the midst of this deadly situation, those two goof ball droids walked right across and managed to not get shot! Even my child mind could perceive the irony.
I’m beginning to think any future saga trilogy (inluding the current one) is an exercise in futility.
TFA was not a bad movie though I did just downgrade it from my original rating. The problem is that in terms of a saga, it can neither approach the same level of involvement or relatability from fans nor can it really stray much from the OT without being a completely different franchise. Basically everything that comes from a saga trilogy can be nothing but a weak attempt to beat or match the OT at its own game or a complete departure into a different galaxy like the PT.
Hope lies with the spinoffs.
I just saw it for the 2nd time. Initially I gave TFA an 8…same as ROTJ for me.
And now…I’m giving it a 7.
The Anthology films dont come with the baggage of being part of a trilogy. The directors are free to do as they will.
Star Wars was created under the assumption there would be no sequels. Lucas took his best ideas from his saga and crammed them into the '77 film. It is an excellent piece of standalone cinema as a result.
The Han Solo films can be done very well with a charismatic actor. In fact, Solo could easily become a successful serial. Just a bunch of one off space adventures. I hope they keep the emo out of it. I dont really care to see his orphan childhood.
luckydube56 said:
To say Raiders is somewhat shallow (if I may paraphrase) is both true and irrelevant in the context of the film. It never set out to be a deep film experience. It is one of high adventure and in that regard it didnt fail in any way.I agree with you, that’s why I said Raiders is an excellent and extremely well made film.
Sorry I didnt mean to sound scolding.
I clearly haven’t watched enough Indiana Jones since I found your rating surprising, lukcydube56. Raiders of the Lost Arc is rated higher than ESB on Rotten Tomatoes and rated only slightly lower on IMDB.
Last time I saw that movie, I was probably 7 or 8 years old and have little flashes of scenes in my head. Damn.
Raiders is a damn near perfect “fun” action flick. It is a very good and well made film in its own right. But it doesn’t have those extra things that take a movie from very good to 10/10 for me. It doesn’t have the emotional depth of Star Wars, let alone Empire Strikes Back, and nothing as suspenseful as the trench run. It also lacks the creative originality of the galaxy far, far away.
That said, it is still a very well made and entertaining movie.
Everyone’s got their own criteria. According to some, intellectualism is the key to everything and Star Wars lacks enough of it to rate very high.
The original Star Wars is SO visceral and will always reconnect me to my childhood. What does that count for? To some, nothing. But to me it is why I will always hold it in my top 3 of all time.
Ok so Raiders doesn’t have nearly the number of emotional moments. And there are no deep intellectual aspects that you can wax scholarly and endlessly about. But in the aspects that it does choose to take on and emphasize, it is perfectly executed. To say Raiders is somewhat shallow (if I may paraphrase) is both true and irrelevant in the context of the film. It never set out to be a deep film experience. It is one of high adventure and in that regard it didnt fail in any way.
To me, Star Wars is a 9.5 and Empire is a 9.5 and Jedi is an 8. Raiders of the Lost Ark is a 10.
The Force Awakens is an 8.