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Maybe just, I don’t know, don’t be a dick?
Dicks show up when there is an over abundance of pussies.
The very use of the term suggests a certain political leaning is required in order to be on the righteous side of this debate.
What a total load, now you’re just leaping to conclusions in order to stir the pot, please refer to the second half of my post about derailing threads, who has the victim complex here?
‘Load’? That reeks of a different type of toxicity.
I have yet to see TLJ or TROS. Is it ever explained why there was a map in R2, leading to where Luke had gone?
Convenience. Plots take too much time.
Rise of Skywalker and Lucasfilm’s / JJ’s lack of balls are the most disappointing things for me. So much wasted potential. RoS essentially made this trilogy pointless and lessened the drama of past films. I overall enjoyed the sequel trilogy up until IX.
Most satisfying things are how Kylo, Rey and Luke were handled, especially in TLJ.
I wish they would quit calling it Lucasfilm. It’s a slap to his face that they so disregard him while simultaneously lending these crap films his name.
That you think people were referring to you on this matter confirms much.
To be fair I feel like the messaging has been so vague I’ve questioned whether or not I was being considered one of the bad eggs…
Tensions are high but I haven’t seen a lot of people disrespected, not going to argue much further than that (as I don’t know all the history and may be speaking out of turn), I already feel like several threads are ironically now being derailed by response to what appeared to me to be just other’s opinions. I expect and hope the dust will settle within the coming weeks of release, until then I hope everyone can still have a good time talking about the movies good or bad through the remainder of their holiday.
Of course the messaging is vague. There’s no more convenient way to wield power than to do it arbitrarily.
Just kidding. The rule is…if someone who liked the film is offended then your opinion is ‘toxic’.
The very use of the term suggests a certain political leaning is required in order to be on the righteous side of this debate.
Star Wars fans are a strange lot. Those who strongly feel it will suck will pay to see it and those who already saw it and thought it sucked paid to see it again.
It’s like a mad search for meaning or a rekindling of a love that is long gone.
The OT were great. I fear it cannot be expanded on.
Strange that no one is factoring in the fact that a bootleg dropped 2 hours after the midnight screening in the UK has finished. BEFORE most other places even started showing it. Now there have been 3 different bootlegs appear in 3 days. This didn’t happen for TFA or TLJ. It was a week before a bootleg dropped for TLJ. On social media there are posts filled with people saying that they no longer have to pay to go and see it.
And then there is the fact that this one has been released the weekend before Christmas. People are avoiding going out during the day to the cinema because of the Christmas rush. I’ve seen many people saying they can’t go until after Christmas.
Outside of this site the reaction towards TROS has been overwhelmingly positive.
But what i can’t believe is just what this site has now become. Fans openly wishing for these films to fail? Seriously? This place has now become everything it had always been accused of. It was bad enough when TLJ came out , but now it’s become a place i no longer enjoy visiting.
The sequel trilogy is objectively a piece of crap. The OT still reign supreme and nothing since has approached it.
Whoever founded this site understood that consciously or subconsciously. There would not likely ever be anything to match or even rival it within the same universe.
Whether you had different expectations or not, the name of this site says it all.
Well, Ben Solo is technically also a Skywalker so it depends on how you see it.
I agree with that assumption but look what they did with him; he’s a buffoon. He’s a completely incompetent and nonthreatening villain. He continuously gets beaten by a random person with no training. He then proceeds to yell and sulk about everything. He’s like Prince Zuko; only less interesting in every conceivable way. Then, in true Sequel fashion, they kill him because they don’t know what to do with him. You don’t kill off your characters for no reason or just because you can, that’s film making 101; just ask Kevin Smith.
How does he get killed? I don’t care about spoilers. I’m just curious as I won’t be seeing this film or TLJ any time soon if ever.
This is HILARIOUS
https://twitter.com/JeremyRMedina/status/1207330912251203584
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this sums up my thoughts on the film and the fan base very well. To the creator of this video, I say Kudos and drop the mic dude ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cBTLsWiDg&fbclid=IwAR1lUEbfBOn5Yr2VPJSfqaLPzlQf5WDqjUQEZEfG46_WMcctzcbjJqODgoI
Too much nerd-splaining. He uses the same lore-based logic to explain why TLJ is good as its detractors use to explain why it’s bad. If you have to strain this hard to explain why a fictional work is actually genius, then either you’re desperately trying to convince yourself that you like it or the arguments you’re trying to refute probably aren’t worth refuting. Star Wars is so much more basic than that. These films suffer from so much over-analysis and in the end few of the arguments actually have any bearing on whether the movie is good or bad.
Quoted for truth.
The only intellectualizing done for the OT was for the purpose of trying to understand what made it so good; not to argue that it was good or not good.
No amount of nerdsplaining about the ST’s continuity or the reasons why Rey is who she is and blah blah blah will ever make someone who doesn’t like the film enjoy it any more. That cuts both ways.
In truth I’ve seen far more nerdsplaining from the fans who like the films. Those who hated the ST don’t seem to nerdsplain so much as they try to identify the underlying motivations that resulted in a crap product. The two sides argue past each other. One side of the fan base call out the people responsible for the movie. The other side of the fan base seem more inlcined to call out other fans.
Many planning on skipping it would likely change their minds if word-of-mouth is overwhelmingly positive.
I’m gonna skip it no matter what. TFA sucked, in my opinion, to the point i have not and will not see TLJ. Even if the last one turns out to be amazing, it would just be the cherry on top of a pile of crap. I cannot bring myself to consume or accept the entire thing or even parts of it. The ST is non-existent from my view of the SW Galaxy and prefer it to remain that way.
And I would not bet on word-of-mouth being overwhelmingly positive.
And somehow it will make lots and lots of money. I think I am just about alone on this notion that you vote with your dollars instead of paying money for the privilege to hate-watch something to, in turn, argue intelligently on a forum about why it sucked.
Anyone here that still has not seen The Last Jedi? Am I the only one?
All I can think of:
Han Solo: No time to discuss this as a committee!
Princess Leia: I am not a committee!
Kathleen Kennedy: I care
^ or maybe Dash Rendar ?
Where did Dash Rendar come from again? Fan fiction? Is he part of the canon? And why does he exist? Meaning why is he a rogueish sarcastic smuggler?
I’m starting to wonder if Star Wars was really meant to continue in perpetuity like it is. It seems like the OT was a self contained story filled with archetypes. So they’re just going to keep using this limited number of archetypes? Didn’t the Disney cartoon series have some kind of non-human character playing the role of strong man a la Chewbacca?
I was being a bit sarcastic , meant as a joke , but now that I think about it , the character of Dash Rendar , who made his debut in Shadows of The Empire , is not beyond the possibilty of showing up in the mandalorian . Dave Filoni brought a lot of old “legends” concepts back into “canon” in The Clone Wars , including the Falleen species and Black Sun who also made their debut in Shadows Of The Empire .What I am also saying is that the use of these tropes is not a new thing exclusive to Disney , they have been there for a long long time . Dash was indeed portrayed as a sarcastic rogue smuggler . There was even a character named Rik Duel in the original Marvel Star Wars comic that was basically Han with a goatee who was also a sarcastic smuggler.There are lots of other decades old examples if you look closely .
That cuts to the heart of the issue for me.
Let me be clear that I’m not trying to derail this thread or bash the series as I think it looks like the most promising thing I’ve seen from the Lucasfilm franchise in 30years.
I just am beginning to wonder if Star Wars is really just a self contained 3 film expression of the hero myth with some very well defined and classic character archetypes. If all Disney or anyone else for that matter can come up with is a rehash of the same archetypes I have genuine curiosity as to whether this franchise is being stretched far beyond what it was intended.
Well…enough of my off topic musings. This series looks great.
Between Netflix, Amazon, and HBO ive got enough susbscriptions so I’ll probably wait til the first season is done and subscribe for a month and binge watch it. Assuming that is an option.
I think at this point Boba Fest has too much baggage, between EU fan expectations and the canon realities of the character. A new Mando allows a completely blank slate (which is what made Boba interesting in the first place).
That’s a fair point.
But I almost feel like Disney is winking at us.
^ or maybe Dash Rendar ?
Where did Dash Rendar come from again? Fan fiction? Is he part of the canon? And why does he exist? Meaning why is he a rogueish sarcastic smuggler?
I’m starting to wonder if Star Wars was really meant to continue in perpetuity like it is. It seems like the OT was a self contained story filled with archetypes. So they’re just going to keep using this limited number of archetypes? Didn’t the Disney cartoon series have some kind of non-human character playing the role of strong man a la Chewbacca?
Question for Mandalorian experts. Why do all Mandalorians have Boba Fett’s personality and occupation?
From what I’m told, the mandalorian in this series is not Boba Fett.
If they wanted some character of a mandalorian bounty hunter who is quiet and deadly, why not just make him Boba Fett?
I’m told the IG88 thing in the trailer is actually some other IG droid…and a bounty hunter I guess??
I can tell I’m going to like this series from what I’ve seen. I just question what Disney is trying to do. Are they trying to completely disassociate Lucas and his universe from what they’re trying to do while simultaneously copying all his character archetypes? Will they come up with a brand new roguish sarcastic smuggler who goes by the name of Han Duo and call him an original Disney character?
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There is nothing inherently sexist about Mary Sue. To me the term conjures notions of a lazily conceived character. Ray’s fully realized messianic chosen oneness is reminiscent of Anakin Skywalker in the PT; another unlikeable, unrelatable and flat character. One of the best heroines ever devised, in my opinion, is Beatrix Kiddo. And while she was a fully formed character when we met her, she certainly did not get there without her trials and tribulations which we get to witness in flashback form.
The very idea of messiahs are antithetical to the every man nature of the original trilogy which are the bed rock of the Star Wars universe. To claim otherwise would be to place the PT and the ST in a position more true to form in Star Wars lore with the OT as some bad outlier. The supremely gifted force user is a revisionist construct that never really fit in with the OT (IMO) and seems to have come from the expanded universe.
Again, it’s not so much that SW has failed as Marvel has succeeded in an insane way.
No. Star Wars is a sacred commodity with an intensely loyal following. That was it’s only saving grace and, some might argue, it’s downfall. But Disney didn’t just ‘miss’; they butchered Star Wars.
Overall it looks like crap.
Sorry maybe that was a spoiler.
present company excluded , was more referring to some who came out of nowhere and never posted elsewhere , the volatile shitposters , some of the volatile shit posters who are no longer around . I could be wrong though , probably am , but was just speculating .here is a real russian bot btw …https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a22802198/russia-unveils-giant-combat-walker/
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How about making a good film for a change?
^ kid, get your priorities straight.
Explain. I have a good job. I’m not rich by any means but it’s a good paying job. I have a fiancé. A terrific gal and the love of my life. Her mother even likes me. I pay my taxes every year and I stay out of trouble. Was there something I forgot to do before jumping on a Star Wars forum with less than 30 posts to my credit and discussing an interest of mine?
My priorities are out of line? What if I disagreed?
So…no acting like an asshole permitted in this thread. No d!cks either. Only pu$$ies?
Sorry. It was too easy and had to be done.
I know you want to put a spin on this but this place welcomes one opinion. And it claims that one side is being attacked. But when you look at the thread again you have to wonder who is attacking who.
So let’s discusss fan toxicity but without involving the so called toxic fans? Aka…the a$$holes. But don’t say safe space because it’s derogatory.