luckydube56

So wait…I was right the first time? This is a safe space thread?

DrDre said:

luckydube56 said:

screams in the void said:

luckydube56 said:

The leadership over at Disney says the reason why the franchise is taking a nosedive is because:

1. half the fans are racist and sexist.
2. the other half is just sick of the franchise.

These are clearly brilliant statements with the full weight of truth behind it.

see OP and kindly knock it off please .

After having phrased it as you did, I don’t believe you can ask for that. That’s like saying “Ok everyone, I’ll be the good guy and you be the villain”. No. What if I don’t think I’m the villain. Toxicity? The franchise itself was poisoned and you, like RJ and Kennedy, are “taking a stand”?

This franchise belongs to us. We all said so in unison when Lucas proclaimed he would destroy the original version of the OTs in favor of the remastered editions. Rian Johnson says it’s his film so if you don’t like then tough t!ts.

Truth be told, I don’t have that much of a dog in the fight and in some way I can see RJs perspective. I can drop this film from my own head canon. None of this sequel trilogy ever happened as far as I’m concerned. But I tend to feel more sympathetic towards those that feel abandoned.

If you are taking a stand, then it’s against somebody so this idea that you were gonna have this one sided stand-taking thread is silly.

Have at it.

I don’t really see what disliking the current batch of Star Wars movies has to do with the topic of this thread, unless you’re arguing not liking a movie gives you the right to behave like an *******? I also don’t remember anyone claiming the franchise belongs solely to the fans, or that fans should be allowed to dictate its future, woe to those that dare to ignore the fans’ wishes. In either case the OP determines the thread topic. Those are the rules. If you don’t like it, take it up with the mods/admin…
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You are correct. I have indeed stumbled upon the wrong thread.

Apologies to screams in the void. I will leave my posts up as a testament to my careless stupidity. Feel free to facepalm my posts. I would also be remiss if I failed to extend my admiration to Dre for his heroism. I would move my posts to the thread about culture but I must now resume my slumber.

screams in the void said:

luckydube56 said:

The leadership over at Disney says the reason why the franchise is taking a nosedive is because:

1. half the fans are racist and sexist.
2. the other half is just sick of the franchise.

These are clearly brilliant statements with the full weight of truth behind it.

see OP and kindly knock it off please .

After having phrased it as you did, I don’t believe you can ask for that. That’s like saying “Ok everyone, I’ll be the good guy and you be the villain”. No. What if I don’t think I’m the villain. Toxicity? The franchise itself was poisoned and you, like RJ and Kennedy, are “taking a stand”?

This franchise belongs to us. We all said so in unison when Lucas proclaimed he would destroy the original version of the OTs in favor of the remastered editions. Rian Johnson says it’s his film so if you don’t like then tough t!ts.

Truth be told, I don’t have that much of a dog in the fight and in some way I can see RJs perspective. I can drop this film from my own head canon. None of this sequel trilogy ever happened as far as I’m concerned. But I tend to feel more sympathetic towards those that feel abandoned.

If you are taking a stand, then it’s against somebody so this idea that you were gonna have this one sided stand-taking thread is silly.

Have at it.

The leadership over at Disney says the reason why the franchise is taking a nosedive is because:

1. half the fans are racist and sexist.
2. the other half is just sick of the franchise.

These are clearly brilliant statements with the full weight of truth behind it.

Wanted to see a Solo film but was not interested in the origin story. Was hoping for a series of action sci fi films of his non-connected exploits. Like the Indiana Jones Trilogy.

I really do not need to understand the source of his tragedy/loneliness. I dont want the further romanticization of his character. That was already handled in the OT.

Just Solo + Chewie + Falcon and occasional Lando put into various situations. Add some comedy and witty dialog and you got success. No depth required. No need to interconnect.

How old is Solo supposed to be in this film?

Something about Lando seems odd to me. If these guys are supposed to be 20 yr olds, should Lando be so well established in the criminal underground? He looks like a boss. Should they be 28 yr olds? When does Solo go from being the cheeky kid to being the grizzled galactic smuggler?

These are minor annoyances but the movie looks fun.

The trailer is good.

1. Ehrenreich doesnt have to be the spitting image of Solo but has to capture the spirit of Solo; or at least the spirit of a younger Solo

2. This doesnt seem like its centered around Solo. Wondering if the criticisms of Ehrenreich’s acting were true and thus mitigated by making him less of a focal point.

adywan said:

luckydube56 said:

How many truly believe that there is a silent majority that likes or even loves this movie? Star Wars’ 2nd week plummet at the box office suggests that word of mouth is too strong and too widespread to be a mere small and vocal minority. I think the whole ‘small but vocal minority’ theory is being posited with the expectation that it dare not be challenged. I call bullsh!t.

Didn’t bother reading the articles then, just the headlines? 😉 The fact that the second week is the run up to Christmas has a lot to do with it. TFA’s second week drop off was $148 million. TLJ’s was $151. That’s just $3 million difference. Having Christmas fall on a weekend also has a huge impact on that weeks cinema box office takings, for all films. Yet TLJ has the second highest cinema takings for Christmas day in history. Second only to TFA.

Ehhhh…guilty as charged. I feel swatted.

How many truly believe that there is a silent majority that likes or even loves this movie? Star Wars’ 2nd week plummet at the box office suggests that word of mouth is too strong and too widespread to be a mere small and vocal minority. I think the whole ‘small but vocal minority’ theory is being posited with the expectation that it dare not be challenged. I call bullsh!t.

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

As someone who disliked the movie said previously, new Star Wars just isn’t for them anymore. I get the disappointment, I don’t get the anger.

5 Stages of Grief.

Shock. Anger. Bargaining. Depression. Acceptance.

They grieve over what they knew or thought Star Wars to be. That is to say, they don’t like RJ’s “certain point of view.” This new film casts a different light on the previous films, given context with them, and this then is a sort of cannot-unsee experience for them and they are having to cope with it.

They might be able to come to accept it. They might not. But they’re not there yet.

I liked TLJ, and so I don’t agree with their assessment. But I can understand it, and I don’t think telling them they’re fools for being angry is warranted. They’ll get over it. Just give them time.

Agree totally. I didnt like TLJ and I’ve decided to ignore it from my own head canon.

But for some, TLJ was a step too far. Rian Johnson, with the full authority of canon, told fans that Luke Skywalker is transformed into someone else. Let us not forget that Star Wars is a very special thing to its fans. For many its a part of their childhood. To see that Luke went from being the idealist to being nihilist is too much for a huge swath of the fanbase.

Fans, myself included, may just not realize what we want. We wanted these characters back but we had to have expected that an extension of a character’s arc could very well have included a revision of it.

Anjohan said:

The Last Jedi has become bad because people can’t comprehend new directions for a 40-year old franchise. Get over it.

Episode IX WILL probably be predictable as fuck and all SW fans will rejoice.

I’m lucky in that I can ignore TLJ and TFA in my own mental canon. Others are struggling with what they see as the destruction of what they know to be Star Wars.

But to claim that people are simply unable to adjust to change is disingenuous. This isnt change. This is degradation.

When I first saw Star Wars in '77, I never had to go watch it again to decide if I liked it or not.

Why is there a need to challenge the older narratives of Star Wars? Aren’t those narratives part and parcel to Star Wars? At least the old ones? And why utilize the characters who were integral to that old narrative to challenge the narrative? It seems an odd choice. An almost doubling back on itself.

It’s one thing to say “this is a new trilogy, take it or leave it”. That’s not quite what happened here.

The original trilogy had a beginning, middle and end. But that end was kicked in the head, told to wake up and keep going.

Two films into this trilogy, I’m wondering what fellow fans think of this passing of the baton with the old characters basically being sacrificed in order to breath life into their spiritual successors…was that necessary?

They revived the old so they could kill it. Of course that is Rian Johnson’s doing; not Abrams. Abrams tried relive 1977 while Rian Johnson is telling fans to forget 1977. And neither is doing justice to themselves or the fans. It’s not their fault as I’m growing more suspicious that the Studio Heads at Disney have more control over this galaxy than Lucas would have ever let them have.

One could easily blame fans for being fickle. But maybe, they shouldnt have used the old trilogy as a spring board; or perhaps more unceremoniously, a stepping tool.

TV’s Frink said:

What we really need is a Solo death story.

I feel like what I need now is a story that really opens the lid on what happens to Solo in the after life.

Why is every producer/director reactive instinct to make an origin film? I dont have a problem with a Han Solo movie. But why an origin film?

The great thing about the Indiana Jones series is that they are 3 unrelated movies relating the tales of an adventurer. They’re not even in chronological order. I love Raiders of the Lost Ark above all films including any Star Wars movie. I find Temple of Doom and Crystal Skulls to both be much lesser films than the original. Yet they do not alter my opinion of Indiana Jones the character. And I never felt robbed by not being told the full extent of his beginnings.

I dont really need to be told how Solo’s past formed the character we encounter in the first Star Wars film. I just want to see the further exploits of Han Solo. I hate being told “you see, this is why and how Han Solo came to be”.

Not thrilled with the approach but I hope the film is still an entertaining ride.

I dont think “playing ball” is the right term per se. He wasn’t brought in for his take on Han Solo. He was brought in because he is a known quantity to Lucas Film. A friend of the family if you will. He was not brought in to re-imagine or re-tool or rebuild this movie. He was brought in because he is a sane and competent director. Not to say that he doesnt have imagination of his own. But he knows the functional ins and outs of directing producing and can be a steady and calming influence.

Like The Wolf from Pulp Fiction.

I think Lord and Miller are good directors. They are at the height of their popularity and they have a comedic tone that Lucasfilm trusted could be utilized in a toned down fashion. Lord/Miller wanted to stay true to themselves and take the film in a wild new direction. I cant say I blame them. It’s part of their success formula. Kennedy/Kasdan wanted to stay true to Han Solo and didnt want the level of “zaniness” they were getting.

And now its come out that Alden Ehrenreich had raised concerns about Lord and Miller during filming describing the Han Solo characterization as something akin to Ace Ventura.

Mocata said:

ROTJ is great

We need a Rogue Squadron anthology series

I’ll +1 that.

There is a distinct lack of movies about aerial combat / dogfighting. It seems like there used to be quite a few in the 50s when Hollywood glorified its WW2 combat aces. And since then…Top Gun in 1987? Red Tails in 2012?

A Star Wars standalone where the bulk of action is in space could be a very good thing.

The Galaxy of Star Wars fandom had a collective moment of weakness around the time TFA came out. I think people were just glad there was a film coming out that everyone was hoping would wipe the bitter taste of the PT from thair collective pallets. And somehow in the heady concoction of Star Wars revival combined with the Holiday season, fans managed to forgive the PT; especially those who were kids at the time the PT were released.

But anyone who believe the PT were, in retrospect, good are fooling themselves.

Ron Howard would have been a great choice back when the filming began. I dont blame Lord/Miller. The decision makers need a better strategy.

Maybe if you’re going to get ‘edgy’ director types, make sure you are hiring them for the right films. Dont get them to do established characters or you might end up getting an unintended reboot of the character.

Alderaan said:

dahmage said:

ZkinandBonez said:

Haarspalter said:

Deadline claims that Ron Howard is the new director:

http://deadline.com/2017/06/ron-howard-star-wars-han-solo-director-1202118193/

It’s been confirmed by starwars.com.

http://www.starwars.com/news/ron-howard-to-assume-directorial-duties-on-the-untitled-han-solo-film?cmp=smc|946759615

“Lucasfilm is pleased to announce that Academy Award-winning filmmaker Ron Howard has been named director of the untitled Han Solo film.”

i am surprised they haven’t named this thing yet. maybe that is the REAL reason for the firings :p

It doesn’t sound like they have any particular idea what they are doing. Kennedy probably just ordered people to make a Han Solo movie and make it Han-Solo-y. I guess it wasn’t Han-Solo-y enough so now Ron Howard can give it a try.

Well…I think what she did was she tried to ensure Han-Solo-y-ness by hiring his Dad, Lawrence Kasdan.

I dont know what Kasdan’s deal is and I dont know what really happened. Nobody does. But good thing i have a wild speculative imagination. Here’s one version of what happened according to my imagination:

Maybe he thought “hey I’m just the friggin writer, what the frick do I know!!! I’m just Lawrence Kaaasdan” and just threw his hands up in the air when the giggling duo of Lord and Miller continued to ignore his pleas for some faithfulness to the original character. Eventually he gives up as he sees the train is unstoppable at this point. Then Kennedy says to Kasdan…“give me your no bullshit opinion, is this fucked or what?”.

Now from what I’ve actually read (which could also just be speculation), Kasdan said that Solo was selfish and sarcastic; not funny. What kind of character were Lord and Miller creating? How funny? And why did they hire an actor whose best known role is Hail Caesar where he basically plays a simpleton fool clown?

Well Fuck.

Good vs Evil … simple core premise.
Revenge … simple core premise.

Both premises can be completely enthralling or completely muddled and lost in medoicre execution.

Jeebus said:

Does Han even need a mentor? I’m really not excited for this, the only saving graces (IMO, of course) are Donald Glover and the directors.

I think Woody Harrelson plays a good scoundrel. He’s could play the kind of “mentor” that exploits the young Solo and maybe Solo breaks ties with him.