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BTW, really looking forward to this one as you seem to have acquired a bunch of rare stills/footage/info that has rarely/never been seen. It really is hard waiting for this project to be completed.
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Originally posted by: Erikstormtrooper
I vote for 12B. It has the feel of the ESB logo while being different enough to not be a copy. And this may sound dorky (relatively speaking
), but I like the way the top bar of the S in "Shroud" covers the word (like a shroud, get it?). If I can get a hi-res version, I can take a crack of some of these posters. Well, it looks like v12 (or rather the eventual perfected #12) will become the 'official' logo as it was Trooperman's idea and choice. I will provide hi-res versions some time soon to those who want to make covers/posters, etc. However, I want to finalize them first.
I agree with THX 100%.
Well 11B is probably the definitive version of my design. I will do versions of covers with that logo and whatnot. As for things that haven't been experimented with: you're right about the 'outline' bounding box but I've yet to make the middle-bar of the "E" the same length as the other two bars. However, I have attempted to perfect #12 to give Trooperman a high-quality version of his design. I think this #13 that I've done looks less "amateur" than #12 because the letters "hroud" and "of the" are closer to normal proportions. So, hopefully it looks better now.I vote for 12B. It has the feel of the ESB logo while being different enough to not be a copy. And this may sound dorky (relatively speaking
), but I like the way the top bar of the S in "Shroud" covers the word (like a shroud, get it?). If I can get a hi-res version, I can take a crack of some of these posters. Well, it looks like v12 (or rather the eventual perfected #12) will become the 'official' logo as it was Trooperman's idea and choice. I will provide hi-res versions some time soon to those who want to make covers/posters, etc. However, I want to finalize them first.Originally posted by: andy_k_250
So, good versions of these are going on the final final disc, right? Well, that's up to Trooperman I guess, however I'm sure between myself and the many talented cover-makers here on the forums, that hi-res logos/posters/covers will be available to download. If Trooperman wants to do a DVD-ROM section on his dual-layer version then we could put them on that.
Originally posted by: THX
To my eyes, 11B is perfect - or at least as good as it can get (the only thing that hasn't been experimented with is making the outer "Star Wars" box outline rather than solid). All the 11s look professional to me, while all the 12s look amateur. I think this is because of the squashed top row. Differently scaled lettering is fine, but you shouldn't mess with the (ahem) aspect ratio. None of the OT logos do, not even the "Faces" ones. Not that they should be used as a reference, IMHO, since they are the SE logos. So 11B is my choice. Ultimately, though, there is only one opinion that counts - Trooperman's.
Originally posted by: Commander CourageSo, good versions of these are going on the final final disc, right? Well, that's up to Trooperman I guess, however I'm sure between myself and the many talented cover-makers here on the forums, that hi-res logos/posters/covers will be available to download. If Trooperman wants to do a DVD-ROM section on his dual-layer version then we could put them on that.
Originally posted by: Rebel11_38
I also think that 12B is the best. As you said though Klokwerk, I think the top bar is too thick. I think the logo would look better if that top bar was narrowed to be the same size as the one on bottom. If you did that, you should also be able to stretch the letters H-R-O-U-D a bit taller to compensate for the reduced thickness of the top line. I think it would make the logo work better overall. Whatever the case - I'm grateful to have you here and love all the logos you've done. Basically, it's a win-win situation since any of yours would be fantastic. When I read this I decided I'd give 12 another go. I made the top bar thinner (but IMHO I think it's still too thick) and I also made the letters (of "hroud" and "of the") closer to normal proportions. It works much better and I'm thankful for the idea. You'll be able to see the result below as logo design #13. Oh! And thanks for the compliments at the end there.
Originally posted by: Trooperman
I really like all of the #12 versions posted except for 12E, because I really like having the top bar come out of the "S". For the "official" logo, I would like two variants - some kind of slanted version, and the straight version (something like 12A). I'd like the straight one to be used as well because it matches with the logos on the "Faces" set that I've gotten used to for over ten years now. The straight logo fits better with the "Faces" logos. Just a thought. But I really like the higher-res #12 logos.
Don't worry, I can provide you with a straight and a slanted version of your design once I'm done. I'm just trying to make it look as good as possible though. The version I did in #12 still isn't good enough. That's why I've done a #13 which you can see below. Hopefully this is better than #12. I think the only thing left to do is to thin the bars out again. Let me know what you think.I also think that 12B is the best. As you said though Klokwerk, I think the top bar is too thick. I think the logo would look better if that top bar was narrowed to be the same size as the one on bottom. If you did that, you should also be able to stretch the letters H-R-O-U-D a bit taller to compensate for the reduced thickness of the top line. I think it would make the logo work better overall. Whatever the case - I'm grateful to have you here and love all the logos you've done. Basically, it's a win-win situation since any of yours would be fantastic. When I read this I decided I'd give 12 another go. I made the top bar thinner (but IMHO I think it's still too thick) and I also made the letters (of "hroud" and "of the") closer to normal proportions. It works much better and I'm thankful for the idea. You'll be able to see the result below as logo design #13. Oh! And thanks for the compliments at the end there.
Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Klokwerk, I appreciate what you're saying and see the problem you're talking about with making the top bar too thin. But I went ahead and mocked it up that way using your '.gif' Realizing the "S" is no longer the same font as everything else, can something like this work? Probably not. It is possible. This gif mock-up of yours and Rebel11_38's advice above prompted me to redo 12 and make it work without being so stretched/squeezed. I still have the bar too thick but apart from that I think the logo #13 is much better than #12.
You mean something like this? Image removed for quote. It's a thought. I hope you don't mind me jumping in like this, Klokwerk.
With the S the same size as the rest of "shroud" it is much easier to keep things in normal proportion. However, then it basically becomes my #11 but with "of the" being the double-line version instead of featuring at the same size of "shroud". I could do a version like that if people really want, but at the moment I just want to finalize Trooperman's version. Plus, so many people liked 10b/11b - do I really need to experiment further? Klokwerk, I appreciate what you're saying and see the problem you're talking about with making the top bar too thin. But I went ahead and mocked it up that way using your '.gif' Realizing the "S" is no longer the same font as everything else, can something like this work? Probably not. It is possible. This gif mock-up of yours and Rebel11_38's advice above prompted me to redo 12 and make it work without being so stretched/squeezed. I still have the bar too thick but apart from that I think the logo #13 is much better than #12.
Originally posted by: Sluggo
It would work if you had the 'S' the same size as the rest of 'hroud' and not the same size as the 'of the dark side'.
Originally posted by: MTHaslettIt would work if you had the 'S' the same size as the rest of 'hroud' and not the same size as the 'of the dark side'.
You mean something like this? Image removed for quote. It's a thought. I hope you don't mind me jumping in like this, Klokwerk.
Originally posted by: Trooperman
I really like all of the #12 versions posted except for 12E, because I really like having the top bar come out of the "S". For the "official" logo, I would like two variants - some kind of slanted version, and the straight version (something like 12A). I'd like the straight one to be used as well because it matches with the logos on the "Faces" set that I've gotten used to for over ten years now. The straight logo fits better with the "Faces" logos. Just a thought. But I really like the higher-res #12 logos.
Originally posted by: THX
To my eyes, 11B is perfect - or at least as good as it can get (the only thing that hasn't been experimented with is making the outer "Star Wars" box outline rather than solid). All the 11s look professional to me, while all the 12s look amateur. I think this is because of the squashed top row. Differently scaled lettering is fine, but you shouldn't mess with the (ahem) aspect ratio. None of the OT logos do, not even the "Faces" ones. Not that they should be used as a reference, IMHO, since they are the SE logos. So 11B is my choice. Ultimately, though, there is only one opinion that counts - Trooperman's.
I agree with THX 100%.
Everyone:
I believe that my 10B/11B will be the definitive version of my design. However, I'm sure I'll end up providing them all or filling requests or whatever. For now, I'm trying to finalize Trooperman's design so that it looks as polished as it can. I believe #13 looks better than #12 but would like your thoughts. I think the compromise in #12 was that "hroud" and "of the" had to be squashed/stretched to make everything fit. That, and the size of the "S" of "Shroud" meant the bar coming out of the "S" was way too thick. The compromise in #13 is that the "S" looks a little funny at the top, however it isn't that bad. I think it is this logo's quirk. I use that word as somebody described every OT logo as having its own quirks - I agree. The "S bar" as I've come to call it is still too thick in this version though, I think. Does everyone agree I should make the bar thinner and then have the bottom bar the same thickness? Here's #13 for you to mull over:
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I've created 10d which is 10b with a line over "Shroud of the" in addition to the one under "dark side" that was already there.
auximenies:
It's unlikely that we'll need to use a square logo often, if at all. However, I think 5 is the definitive square logo and I'll keep it just in case.
MTHaslett:
The problem with creating a logo that has a less prominent "of the" is that then "Shroud" needs to be bigger. See my next comment.
I agree with your idea that "the logos that have bars seem far more like the title of a movie". That's another reason I wanted to v11 to see if the extra line made a difference.
I commend you on the poster mock-ups, btw. I will take a crack at recreating them in photoshop once I finalise the SOTDS logo.
Trooperman:
Nice to see you back in the thread.
I'm glad the logo designs inspired you to create a mockup logo as I think your third one is the best possible logo. However, when I tried to recreate it in high-res there's a problem. The stretching/squeezing of "Shroud" becomes painfully obvious and the logo suffers as a result. I tried to:* get the "S" of "Shroud" to not look so big in comparison to the rest of "shroud".
* have "hroud" not be stretched/squeezed so dramatically
* make the two lines fit together without being distorted at all
However, no matter what i did it just doesn't look as good as it could due to "Shroud of the" not fitting across the top without being distorted. I have posted my result below but it isn't pretty. The "S" bar is too thick and the rest of "shroud" is too stretched.
THX:
Yep. All the reasons you mention are why I couldn't get a variety of designs to work. Unfortunately this includes Trooperman's #3 logo which I think is the perfect one to use.
GoldStone9:
Thanks for uploading that AOTC concept art scan.
Everyone:
Well, here are the latest logos. Version 11 is a revised v10 with an extra bar above "shroud of the". I suspect that since so many of you loved 10B that 11B's okay? Version 12 is my attempt at recreating Trooperman's very nice logo. Unfortunately I can't proportion the "S" of "Shroud" right in relation to the rest of the word. Plus, the rest of the word has to be stretched and squeezed in order to fill out the space in the top line. More thoughts on either of these?:
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I hope you haven't uploaded the 77 stereo for me as I already have it.
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I'm also bumping this thread because of my earlier request: Could somebody please upload the isolated score mix in 3 RAR files as was done with all the other mixes so far? Pleast?
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However, I don't think I'll end up using any of them for SOTDS.Now; let's take a look at the recent remarks & critiques:
Originally posted by: Bespinsec
Klokwerk, those slimmed down logos in the rectangular shapes (7-8) look great, especially #8. Good work, real potential there.
Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Great work! I think that logo on top of the painted Clone War image from the Art of Star Wars book cover would be incredible and very OT.
I agree. Does anybody have the "Art of Star Wars: Attack of the Clones" book? It would be great if some material could be scanned for me to use in my cover.Klokwerk, those slimmed down logos in the rectangular shapes (7-8) look great, especially #8. Good work, real potential there.
Originally posted by: InfoDroid
Yeah, out of those, I like #8 the best. I thought number 8 was going to be well-received. I guess you guys are gonna like 9 & 10 then.
I LOVE these logos. I have to say I think a combo of #4 and #8 would be my idea of perfect - take the top line of #4 and put it on top of the BIG bottom line of #8. Beauty. Then, maybe try slanting the whole thing. I have to say, I like seeing both words for "STAR WARS" at the top-- to keep this from being too much like the ESB logo which had "Star" on top and "Wars" at the bottom.
In the beginning 4 was my favorite too but I agreed with whoever brought the notion for that "dark side" should be larger than "shroud of the". Thus, 9 (which is how I wanted 8 to look) is my new favorite. As for slanted boxes; you're in for a treat...Yeah, out of those, I like #8 the best. I thought number 8 was going to be well-received.
I guess you guys are gonna like 9 & 10 then. Originally posted by: auximenies
Although I like 4 and 5 quite well, I think #8 is the best because "Dark Side" is larger (and therefore more emphasized) than the other words. 8 is superior to 7 because I believe the words need to fill the box entirely. My only reservation with #8 is that while the box sides are perfectly vertical, the text is slanted.
Originally posted by: musicman
Good to hear that there'll be some Struzan action!
I'd say my favorites right now are probably 4, 5 and 8. I really like no 4. I guess it's a little more traditional looking to me, and I like that. Numbers 5 and 8 are pretty much tied for me. And I agree that the words should definitely fill the box. I would definitely like to see the box slanted, at least just to see what it looks like. But yeah, my vote goes to number 4, although you've done a great job on all of them. This is going to be real class, I can tell!
Originally posted by: MTHaslettAlthough I like 4 and 5 quite well, I think #8 is the best because "Dark Side" is larger (and therefore more emphasized) than the other words. 8 is superior to 7 because I believe the words need to fill the box entirely. My only reservation with #8 is that while the box sides are perfectly vertical, the text is slanted.
Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated
Hmmm 7 or 8...I actually think I'm leaning towards 8...too much empty space in 7...?
Yeah, LOL!
I think graphic designers might disagree. The way I see it I'm just trying to design a logo (albeit not from scratch). The fact that it's for a Star Wars fan-edit and Star Wars fans are giving thoughts and opinions just means that the process is much easier. Where's Trooperman though? I don't think he's yet seen ANY of the OT-style logos. Plus, ultimately it's up to him which one we use.Hmmm 7 or 8...I actually think I'm leaning towards 8...too much empty space in 7...?
Originally posted by: THX
#8 is really good - almost perfect. I think Auximenies is right about the sides though - they should slant too.
Originally posted by: auximenies
The current topic of discussion is really quite hilarious if you think about it! Look at us. What nerds!
Originally posted by: musicman#8 is really good - almost perfect. I think Auximenies is right about the sides though - they should slant too.
Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
Take a non-italicized version of number 8, and use perspective to shift it so it's slanted, more like the ESB logo. Then, it'll be perfect! I agree that 7 doesn't work because of all the dead space. That's what prompted me to attempt number 8. I am glad with the proportion of "dark side" to "shroud of the", however, the problem with 8, is as you say... it's italic text in a rectangle that isn't slanted to match. These issues have been addressed in 9 & 10.
Originally posted by: THX
I think the central crossbar of the "E" should be equal length to the others, and I'd like it if "Star Wars" was broken up, with "Star" at the top and "Wars" below the main logo, a la ESB. Also, "Shroud of the" looks stretched widthways compared to "Dark Side" and is sloping very slightly more. Okay, that was three things. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
I promise in my next go-round I'll play with the crossbars of the letter E and the splitting of "star wars" so that "star" is on the top-left and "wars" is on the bottom-right. The issues with "shroud of the" being stretched in 8 are apparent to me and I thought there was no way around them. However, I fiddled with the text and believe I've revised the much-liked 8 into the even better 9 (and also a slight variant which is 10).Take a non-italicized version of number 8, and use perspective to shift it so it's slanted, more like the ESB logo. Then, it'll be perfect! I agree that 7 doesn't work because of all the dead space. That's what prompted me to attempt number 8. I am glad with the proportion of "dark side" to "shroud of the", however, the problem with 8, is as you say... it's italic text in a rectangle that isn't slanted to match. These issues have been addressed in 9 & 10.
Originally posted by: boreddusty
I like 8 except for the fact that "of the" is the same size as "Shroud." I don't know how you could do it differently and keep from stretching/compressing anything too much. =/
Yeah, I can't really have "of the" smaller than "shroud" unless I use the "of the" 'symbol' featured in logos 2, 3 & 4. In number 8 I did some text stretching and squeezing on "shroud of the" so that "dark side" could become the emphasis and everything would still fit in a rectangular bounding box.I like 8 except for the fact that "of the" is the same size as "Shroud." I don't know how you could do it differently and keep from stretching/compressing anything too much. =/
Originally posted by: THX
I think the central crossbar of the "E" should be equal length to the others, and I'd like it if "Star Wars" was broken up, with "Star" at the top and "Wars" below the main logo, a la ESB. Also, "Shroud of the" looks stretched widthways compared to "Dark Side" and is sloping very slightly more. Okay, that was three things. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
Originally posted by: auximenies
The current topic of discussion is really quite hilarious if you think about it! Look at us. What nerds!
Yeah, LOL! Originally posted by: musicman
Good to hear that there'll be some Struzan action!
I'd say my favorites right now are probably 4, 5 and 8. I really like no 4. I guess it's a little more traditional looking to me, and I like that. Numbers 5 and 8 are pretty much tied for me. And I agree that the words should definitely fill the box. I would definitely like to see the box slanted, at least just to see what it looks like. But yeah, my vote goes to number 4, although you've done a great job on all of them. This is going to be real class, I can tell! I LOVE these logos. I have to say I think a combo of #4 and #8 would be my idea of perfect - take the top line of #4 and put it on top of the BIG bottom line of #8. Beauty. Then, maybe try slanting the whole thing. I have to say, I like seeing both words for "STAR WARS" at the top-- to keep this from being too much like the ESB logo which had "Star" on top and "Wars" at the bottom.
Originally posted by: MTHaslett
Great work! I think that logo on top of the painted Clone War image from the Art of Star Wars book cover would be incredible and very OT.
If you read all my above responses you'll know that I've created logos 9 and 10. Basically 9 is what I wanted number 8 to be. I played with the text so that "dark side" could remain larger than "shroud of the" while that top line didn't have to be stretched/squeezed like in 8. Logo 10 is just 9 but with a straight rule under "dark side" much like the ESB logo that Trooperman posted. There are 3 variant for both 9 & 10. There's regular text in a straight rectangular box, then that same logo slanted via skewing, and finally, a version that's been slanted by using "transform perspective" in Photoshop CS2. I got that idea from ChainsawAsh (see quoted above). I believe that third one might be slanted too much, however, it is in keeping with the ESB logo. I guess if people agree I can tone down the slanting a bit in the next incarnation.
Now without further babble, here are the latest renditions of the logo:
Please, as always, post your thoughts and opinions in this thread. Hopefully Trooperman will soon join the discussion.
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So, does a kind individual want to upload the isolated score to Filefactory? Pretty please?
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Now, if anyone has any thoughts please refer to the logos by number so I know which one you mean.
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Originally posted by: boreddusty
I definitely like what you've done with the text, but I don't really think that the Ani/Padme(Shmi?) cover fits with what TM is doing. I the think that the one used previously has a more OT-feel. I seem to be going against a lot of people with that (even TM, it seems), but those are my $.02
That's okay. I'll definitely be doing a cover with the Episode II theatrical poster. Don't worry. I don't think the fan-made pic of Padme/Anakin will be a cover image in the end. I might end up using it for a chapter insert as TM suggested (I think it was TM). I could do a cover with that as the front if people want, but yes since it doesn't actually occur in the movie I think it shouldn't take pride of place as front cover. I guess you could use the logic that the chapter inserts for the 2004 DVD used heavily filtered concept pieces - and sort of in parallel to that I could use this fan piece.
That's okay because as I mention above I will most likely do a bunch of variations on the front cover. At this point I am just using that particular piece as it was the first thing I experimented with in Photoshop. However, I also above posted a different piece to mix things up a bit. I am thinking more and more of trying to create a front cover 'poster' image by making a collage of concept art or something. MTHaslett posted the cover of the "Art of SW: AOTC" and I still would love to get some scans of that book. I might have to check and see how much it is to buy. Darth Richard mentioned an idea that "only Coov could pull off". Personally I would rather see Coov tackle Building Empire first (as he did so many great covers for Deleted Magic) but I'd be interested in his take on SOTDS.
Originally posted by: musicman
I love that logo, klokwerk! Great job! IMO, though, I would definitely go for some kind of Struzan poster art image for the cover, or at least something along those lines.
I definitely like what you've done with the text, but I don't really think that the Ani/Padme(Shmi?) cover fits with what TM is doing. I the think that the one used previously has a more OT-feel. I seem to be going against a lot of people with that (even TM, it seems), but those are my $.02
That's okay. I'll definitely be doing a cover with the Episode II theatrical poster. Don't worry. I don't think the fan-made pic of Padme/Anakin will be a cover image in the end. I might end up using it for a chapter insert as TM suggested (I think it was TM). I could do a cover with that as the front if people want, but yes since it doesn't actually occur in the movie I think it shouldn't take pride of place as front cover. I guess you could use the logic that the chapter inserts for the 2004 DVD used heavily filtered concept pieces - and sort of in parallel to that I could use this fan piece.
Originally posted by: Bespinsec
I support the concept of a more vintage-looking cover that fits Trooperman's vision - an older, darker feel. Many of EP2's covers and images are far too glossy and "tiger beaty". Paying attention to color saturation and avoiding images that are too squeaky clean and sharp would go along way towards rectifying that. Cover elements that feel out of place and unworkable are, IMHO, things like Jango Fett, shots that look like something out of Cosmo, shots of the droids, Yoda, and any shots of kids. Those would be my no-no's.
This is a good starting point for a collage. I was thinking of trying to mesh some concept art together into a 'poster'-like image (or if need be a promo shot collage). I agree on most of your character no-no's. I guess it would be hard to create an image that captures the essence of SOTDS without seeing it first... but I'll have a go over the next few days.
No, you didn't offend me. Don't be silly! I've finally got some free time and I've been doing some Photoshop/Premiere stuff that's been sitting on my drive for months. The fact that SOTDS is nearing completion just meant that going back to the cover and experimenting was a logical thing to do. I am enjoying this logo experimentation.
Originally posted by: Commander Courage
The font and logo concepts look great, but I do have a problem with the latest cover art suggestion. Don't get me wrong, I like it a lot, but it's pre-Episode II fan art, and depicts something that does not happen in the actual film. I'm all for stylized OT-esque covers, but there is so much "official" material to work with I don't think we need to settle for a five year old fan manipulation.
I support the concept of a more vintage-looking cover that fits Trooperman's vision - an older, darker feel. Many of EP2's covers and images are far too glossy and "tiger beaty". Paying attention to color saturation and avoiding images that are too squeaky clean and sharp would go along way towards rectifying that. Cover elements that feel out of place and unworkable are, IMHO, things like Jango Fett, shots that look like something out of Cosmo, shots of the droids, Yoda, and any shots of kids. Those would be my no-no's.
This is a good starting point for a collage. I was thinking of trying to mesh some concept art together into a 'poster'-like image (or if need be a promo shot collage). I agree on most of your character no-no's. I guess it would be hard to create an image that captures the essence of SOTDS without seeing it first... but I'll have a go over the next few days.
Originally posted by: THX
klokwerk, nice work on the logo. However, one of the things that made the OT logos interesting was that they were all different (unlike the PT logos). The main SW font is not the best choice, IMHO, for an episode logo. What they've done on the wallpaper you linked to is make the AOTC logo look like the ESB logo, which kind of works as they are both middle episodes. I think that italic font (which isn't a font really) would look better than what you have. But then you'd have to do Ep I like SW and Ep III like ROTJ... So you might consider just coming up with an original logo, as long as it has the SW box/lines, like the ESB & ROTJ logos.
I played around with the italic font and different spacing etc. I came up with a somewhat original logo. ESB's original logo was the "Star Wars" font, the original Star Wars logo was that strange perspective angled one and ROTJ had the boring Times New Roman logo. They were all different but the Star Wars font does seem a tad overused. I will keep experimenting (I have a few more variations to try out). For now though, here's my latest logo against a different EpII piece:
Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated
Oh, and I hope I didn't open a can of worms when I suggested that the DVD cover look more OT! I hope I didn't offend you, klokwerk! But the stuff your cranking out is great! I DO think THX is on to something though...
klokwerk, nice work on the logo. However, one of the things that made the OT logos interesting was that they were all different (unlike the PT logos). The main SW font is not the best choice, IMHO, for an episode logo. What they've done on the wallpaper you linked to is make the AOTC logo look like the ESB logo, which kind of works as they are both middle episodes. I think that italic font (which isn't a font really) would look better than what you have. But then you'd have to do Ep I like SW and Ep III like ROTJ... So you might consider just coming up with an original logo, as long as it has the SW box/lines, like the ESB & ROTJ logos.
I played around with the italic font and different spacing etc. I came up with a somewhat original logo. ESB's original logo was the "Star Wars" font, the original Star Wars logo was that strange perspective angled one and ROTJ had the boring Times New Roman logo. They were all different but the Star Wars font does seem a tad overused. I will keep experimenting (I have a few more variations to try out). For now though, here's my latest logo against a different EpII piece:
Originally posted by: SomethingStarWarsRelated
Oh, and I hope I didn't open a can of worms when I suggested that the DVD cover look more OT! I hope I didn't offend you, klokwerk!
But the stuff your cranking out is great! I DO think THX is on to something though... No, you didn't offend me. Don't be silly! I've finally got some free time and I've been doing some Photoshop/Premiere stuff that's been sitting on my drive for months. The fact that SOTDS is nearing completion just meant that going back to the cover and experimenting was a logical thing to do. I am enjoying this logo experimentation.
Originally posted by: Commander Courage
The font and logo concepts look great, but I do have a problem with the latest cover art suggestion. Don't get me wrong, I like it a lot, but it's pre-Episode II fan art, and depicts something that does not happen in the actual film. I'm all for stylized OT-esque covers, but there is so much "official" material to work with I don't think we need to settle for a five year old fan manipulation.
That's okay because as I mention above I will most likely do a bunch of variations on the front cover. At this point I am just using that particular piece as it was the first thing I experimented with in Photoshop. However, I also above posted a different piece to mix things up a bit. I am thinking more and more of trying to create a front cover 'poster' image by making a collage of concept art or something. MTHaslett posted the cover of the "Art of SW: AOTC" and I still would love to get some scans of that book. I might have to check and see how much it is to buy. Darth Richard mentioned an idea that "only Coov could pull off". Personally I would rather see Coov tackle Building Empire first (as he did so many great covers for Deleted Magic) but I'd be interested in his take on SOTDS.
Originally posted by: musicman
I love that logo, klokwerk! Great job! IMO, though, I would definitely go for some kind of Struzan poster art image for the cover, or at least something along those lines.
Not to worry, the Struzan Episode II poster art will be used on at least one version of the cover.
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Btw, this thing is funnier than I thought it would be. The stormtroopers all look like they're wearing sunglasses.
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That's it! I was wondering why the logo looked a little off. However, I tried making "dark side" bigger and it's not really possible to do so and keep the title in a rectangle. I came up with this compromise (I also dropped the connection between the U & D of "shroud" and extended the R's leg). Does it look better this way?
Then I pictured "Shroud" on the top, "of the" on the next line with rules on either side, "dark" on the next line and finally "side" on the bottom. I just quickly gave that one a go. You can see it below (a rough mock-up). Now I need to get some sleep. I want to hear everyone's thoughts though.
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Is that what you meant?Trooperman, I'm dying to hear your thoughts on the logo when you're next in this thread. I was considering breaking the little join between the U & D of "shroud". It looks slightly odd currently.
What color schemes do people want me to try on this logo?
I was toying with the idea of a logo much like the original OT-styled "Attack of the Clones" logo. That is to say, "Shroud" on the top line, "of the" centered in the middle with a rule on either side, and "Dark Side" on the bottom. For an example of what I mean, you can see the AOTC logo on this wallpaper.
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). Here ya go, what do you think of the logo?
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Please let me know once you've got 'em and I'll delete this link.
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Originally posted by: twister111
Sorry, I haven't posted here lately. It's just that I haven't had anything to say. I searched for Episode II publicity shots/concept art. Results follow: (Links removed for quoting)
There ya go klokwerk.
twister111, thanks for those links. I actually had most of those images however, there were several that I didn't have as well as higher quality versions of some of the ones I do have. Thanks.
No problem.
Originally posted by: THX
P.S. Is it Shadow or Shroud?
Sorry, I haven't posted here lately. It's just that I haven't had anything to say. I searched for Episode II publicity shots/concept art. Results follow: (Links removed for quoting)
There ya go klokwerk.
twister111, thanks for those links. I actually had most of those images however, there were several that I didn't have as well as higher quality versions of some of the ones I do have. Thanks.
Originally posted by: THX
The painted theatrical poster used in klokwerk's earlier cover looks pretty OT to me. It's way better than the official DVD cover. I've never seen a photo photoshopped to look like a painting that looked good.
THX, I agree that Struzan's work for the prequel posters does look pretty OT (though it would be good if he did a joining set at som point in the future, much like he did for the SE). I think that I will do a version with the poster no matter what other covers I do. Does everyone agree that adding some filters like sepia, film-grain, etc, would be a good idea for the poster? Untouched it just doesn't seem to fit.
I can take a crack at it. I recreated Jambe Davdar's "Building Empire" logo for my cover as I wanted a hi-res version, so I've had experience dealing with that style of logo before.
Originally posted by: Trooperman
Thank you so much for putting a cover together- I have no experience with that whatsoever, and I really love what I'm seeing so far.
The painted theatrical poster used in klokwerk's earlier cover looks pretty OT to me. It's way better than the official DVD cover. I've never seen a photo photoshopped to look like a painting that looked good.
THX, I agree that Struzan's work for the prequel posters does look pretty OT (though it would be good if he did a joining set at som point in the future, much like he did for the SE). I think that I will do a version with the poster no matter what other covers I do. Does everyone agree that adding some filters like sepia, film-grain, etc, would be a good idea for the poster? Untouched it just doesn't seem to fit.
Originally posted by: auximenies
This one here with Anakin carrying Padme looks pretty cool. Still could probably use the main Star Wars title logo on the front, though.
The Star Wars logo was on there but was very low-quality as that shot has been resized to 250-300% to fill the front cover. That's partly why I decided to use some filters on it. I did do a layer with the SW logo but I must've left it off. Will give a preview of that soon.
Trooperman, I've always liked that "Episode II Teaser" as it's called too. I might try and email the person who photoshopped it and see if they have a higher quality version.
Originally posted by: Trooperman
One thing that would be really neat is if a logo could be made for SOTDS (that could be put on the front cover) that matches the OT logos. (Image removed for quoting) Notice how "Episode V" is nowhere to be seen- it's just the title.
This one here with Anakin carrying Padme looks pretty cool. Still could probably use the main Star Wars title logo on the front, though.
The Star Wars logo was on there but was very low-quality as that shot has been resized to 250-300% to fill the front cover. That's partly why I decided to use some filters on it. I did do a layer with the SW logo but I must've left it off. Will give a preview of that soon.
Originally posted by: Trooperman
I really like the picture on the last cover posted by Klokwerk. But I do like the faded theatrical poster as well. Maybe the faded theatrical poster (or another 70's/80's style movie poster created from concept art) could be put on the front, and the picture with Anakin holding Padme could go on the back of the cover, or the chapter list, or something like that. I really like that last picture.
I really like the picture on the last cover posted by Klokwerk. But I do like the faded theatrical poster as well. Maybe the faded theatrical poster (or another 70's/80's style movie poster created from concept art) could be put on the front, and the picture with Anakin holding Padme could go on the back of the cover, or the chapter list, or something like that. I really like that last picture.
Trooperman, I've always liked that "Episode II Teaser" as it's called too. I might try and email the person who photoshopped it and see if they have a higher quality version.
Originally posted by: Trooperman
One thing that would be really neat is if a logo could be made for SOTDS (that could be put on the front cover) that matches the OT logos. (Image removed for quoting) Notice how "Episode V" is nowhere to be seen- it's just the title.
I can take a crack at it. I recreated Jambe Davdar's "Building Empire" logo for my cover as I wanted a hi-res version, so I've had experience dealing with that style of logo before.
Originally posted by: Trooperman
Thank you so much for putting a cover together- I have no experience with that whatsoever, and I really love what I'm seeing so far.
No problem.
Originally posted by: THX
P.S. Is it Shadow or Shroud?
THX, I think it's "shroud" now isn't it? The thread is "shroud". I think at the time when I first created the cover Trooperman was using "shadow". I changed it to "shroud" on the latest preview because I assumed that's what it was now (hard to know for sure when we all just use the SOTDS abbreviation). I also changed the fonts if anyone's interested. Well sort of. See, I was using Trajan and now I'm using Trajan Pro. It looks much nicer up close.
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I am sure we can mock up a colorful 70's style poster looking cover. However, I'm afraid my hi-res resources for Ep II aren't as great as III or even I & IV-VI. Anyone care to share some publicity shots or concept art?
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This is just what I had lying around from several months ago (at least). I am all for a more creative cover, however I'd like Trooperman's input before I start changing anything. The washed-out one was a quick and dirty effect. I expect that if I were to do something similar for real then I'd make it look better.
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Here's a preview-size version of the latest incarnation of the cover. The text is probably all out-of-date:
And here's the cover with a more brown hue. I think, reading over the thread, that the hue of the cover should be shifted from orange to brown. Y'know, more sepia-like. What do you think? Trooperman?
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I am willing to update the cover btw. I'm sure that you could give me a nice official "blurb" for the back cover and a screenshot or two. And the vital details which have no doubt changed since I last updated the cover.
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In all of the releases by Anchor Bay, there is also some minor "enhancements" in the film itself, with a couple of frames "tweaked" to improve on the look (cleaning up some Effects Sequences - lightning strikes etc.) of The Film. The "open matte" version on the Box Set is also the newer "tweaked" version. This is a very minor issue though, but for the purists, the OOP Elite is also an option, since it's the original "untampered" version.
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