kewlfish

Broom Kid said:

I really do like the idea of Ben healing Rey and disappearing (sans kiss) before she gets up and takes out Palpatine. There’s a couple problems with it though.

1. it takes too long. The cuts probably need to happen a lot quicker considering whatever’s happening is presumably happening in front of him. Cuts and framing can stretch out the reality of a sequence quite well and suspend disbelief in a LOT of ways (most horror movies simply wouldn’t function AT ALL if that kind of trickery weren’t available and automatically accepted by most audiences) but the length of time her resurrection takes really pushes it.

2. Even if you manage to cut down the resurrection length so that it could plausibly happen in front of Palpatine while he’s reveling in adulation and transformation (maybe cutting back and forth between the resurrection and the transformation to show he’s pre-occupied and doesn’t notice what’s happening would help - and would make trimming the length of the resurrection more feasible) once Ben (and Leia) disappear, you almost HAVE to then include both of them in the ghosts behind Rey. That’s a lot of work for a scene everyone seems to be very happy with, not just in the creating ghostly images, but in having to re-time and cut down the screentime the other ghosts currently have now.

Yeah in my take on it, I had Ben heal Rey as Palpatine was focused on using Force Storm on the fleet… it does take a while but I moved Poe getting shocked to right after Ben disappears and then Rey pulls Leia’s lightsaber… I think it would be pretty sweet if jonh was able to add Ben and Leia but I think he has mentioned previously about being satisfied with the two on each side.

EDIT: On second thought tho, it may be better to keep Poe getting shocked in it’s theatrical place as it may have padded out the resurrection. Hopefully once I fix the audio issue, we can see if it feels natural or not

idir_hh said:

There’s no sound for most of the video.

Aww man, when I tested I had my phone on mute… disregard for now… once I get off of work I will try to figure out whats going on lol

Here is a rough mock-up of the battle of Exegol and ending scenes combining many of the ideas and scenes from the last couple weeks. It is very rough but its more of a concept to look to decide what works and what doesn’t. Here is what is included:

• Poppasketti’s incredible tie-replacement.
• jonh’s awesome ghost clips
• wakeupkeo’s idea of having Ben heal Rey before Palpatine is dead
• Repurposed Chess scene before Tatooine.

For your consideration:

• I chose Jonh’s clip that has a purple lightsaber, I know that Rey doesn’t use the purple all the way through but I didn’t know of any other available clips that changed the color all the way through.
• Rey hearing all of the Jedi’s voices is included but it definitely needs some work. It seems a little redundant with the Jonh’s clip maybe?
• Audio cuts are a little rough
• I wasn’t able to add the new Rey Skywalker line delivery or Poppa’s last falcon shot as they are not yet available for public use… just, uh, imagine that they are there lol

What do you all think? Its kind of a long clip lol

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1It6BCKpFHvhw1AHR9B-7idpVOHs_W9qO/view?usp=drivesdk

DarthYcey said:

Eh, I’ve seen the Battle of the Heroes and DotF music mentioned multiple times here, but personally don’t know why we’d want to borrow a prequel-specific theme for the final Kylo/Rey duel. To me, this screams TPM and ROTS. It’s not like the main SW theme, or Force theme, etc. that’s been used across the whole saga. These are very specific to certain people and/or events and don’t come across as a good fit to me for this fight. For the hell of it, here’s a different take I just made that mixes in some Kylo and Rey motifs. See if you guys recognize the source. Seems like a better fit to me for the first half of the battle before JW’s The Final Duel music kicks in.

https://vimeo.com/422058008
fanedit

That’s sic!!! This is a great approach to take.

StarkillerAG said:

kewlfish said:

StarkillerAG said:

idir_hh said:

I think Anthem of Evil was used too sparingly in the film. I only really noticed it after a few watches, definitely needs to be emphasised throughout.

Yeah, that’s one of the examples of “great music” I was talking about. I think re-scoring the entire movie using old music is the wrong approach. Instead we should emphasize the music that’s already there, and bring the score more in line with Williams’s intentions.

Yeah I watched Sideways video a couple weeks ago and he explains how TROS really kind of missed the mark on the usually very well-thought out placement of Star Wars.

I disagreed with most of his points, and I’m not bothered by a lot of the weird thematic placement. But I do want to restore some deleted Williams tracks, like “The Speeder Chase” and “Anthem of Evil.” I’m convinced that Williams didn’t do anything wrong musically, he was just screwed by JJ’s ADHD editing.

Possibilities for Prequel music are:
-Battle of Heroes for Rey V. Ren on the DSII until the the TROS music starts

That could be good. I’ve seen edits of it on YouTube, and it really highlights the Anakin vs Obi-Wan parallels. I think Duel of the Fates fits better though.

• The choir from Duel of the Fates for Rey meeting with Palpatine for the Sith Eternal

Don’t think that would work. The Sith Eternal choir is supposed to be in-universe Sith language, it would be jarring if they suddenly started singing Duel of the Fates. Like I said before, I think that track would fit much better in the Death Star wreckage duel.

• And from my own testing Across the Stars in some capacity works very well with Ben reviving Rey
  (But I would recommend that that there be some remixing, maybe slower or deeper or mixed in with the TROS music that goes on during this scene… really anything done will probably be good)

I’m not sure about that. Across the Stars is supposed to be a theme specifically for Anakin and Padme, it would be just as weird as the moments Sideways pointed out if it suddenly became the “tragic love” theme.

Yeah, of course John Williams did nothing wrong lol… I watched the video and thought he made some decent points, I was just making suggestions, of course take them or leave them… One thing that he did mention that I don’t know if it is true or not is the amount of music that Williams made for this movie that wasn’t actually used.

Edit: Just for anyone curious I also think the novelization implied that Jannah actually wasn’t Lando’s daughter… so do with that info what you will.

StarkillerAG said:

idir_hh said:

I think Anthem of Evil was used too sparingly in the film. I only really noticed it after a few watches, definitely needs to be emphasised throughout.

Yeah, that’s one of the examples of “great music” I was talking about. I think re-scoring the entire movie using old music is the wrong approach. Instead we should emphasize the music that’s already there, and bring the score more in line with Williams’s intentions.

Yeah I watched Sideways video a couple weeks ago and he explains how TROS really kind of missed the mark on the usually very well-thought out placement of Star Wars.

I think the most egregious examples of this are:

• Yoda’s theme being used when Luke lifted the X-Wing
• Luke and Leia’s theme used for Lando and Jannah (very weird)
• Under-representation of Prequel music (my opinion not from Sideways’ video)
  Possibilities for Prequel music are:
  -Battle of Heroes for Rey V. Ren on the DSII until the the TROS music starts
• The choir from Duel of the Fates for Rey meeting with Palpatine for the Sith Eternal
• And from my own testing Across the Stars in some capacity works very well with Ben reviving Rey
  (But I would recommend that that there be some remixing, maybe slower or deeper or mixed in with the TROS music that goes on during this scene… really anything done will probably be good)

Dendros said:

Hal 9000 said:

Nah, let’s not open a can of worms. I like the four ghosts we see thanks to John.

Understandable to not want to go overboard, I would petition to at least add Qui-Gon Jin for the following reasons:

-Every main character jedi’s force ghost from the entire main saga is now shown excluding only Qui-Gon.

-Qui-Gon was the one who discovered the way to appear as a force ghost in the first place, yet we have never seen him as one.

-It would tie in a little more significant material from the prequels and help mesh the entire saga together a little more.

While it would be lovely to see Qui-Gon again, in universe you never see him as a ghost (other than on Mortis in TCW) because he never fully completed his training with the Whills on manifesting, which explains why he is always just a voice… will Disney change this in the future with the Kenobi show, possibly?.. also this is a fan edit so I know that it’s not particularly beholden to current Canon. Just thought I’d put my two cents in.

jarbear said:

DominicCobb said:

Don’t listen to me, but the shuttle seems kinda goofy. Like he brought that whole big thing? If it were me using it I’d cut away after Ben leaves the shot and not linger on it.

sticks fingers in ears saying “LALALALALA” loudly

😉

To be fair, for this movie you MUST suspend disbelief and accept fan service.

The movie is essentially a movie you watch after drinking a little. or a bit. Maybe a little more.

Hehe, I will admit, watching Episode IX is like, at least 50% enjoyable, more after drinking a little lol

Chase Adams said:

It’s weird, when I woke up I saw the shuttle and Vader’s TIE shots on his Google drive, but the Vimeo link with all the joke shots was busted so I never got to see any of them. 😦

Hal 9000 said:
The original TIE wasn’t really meaningful anyway, they just showed us something common that Kylo found that was flyable.

Nope. Have to disagree. As Rich Evans describes Abrams:
“His whole thing is feeling over sensible plotting.”

Honestly, when I first saw the Tie and X-Wing next to each other, I felt more like it was a scene where JJ was like “Look here are the two main ships of Star Wars next to each other”… I guess fan service, but not necessarily in a way that made a lot of sense… kind of like Yoda’s theme being used when Luke lifted his X-Wing out of the water. This was in the Sideways Youtube video but it just felt really off in the theatre… like I know the Force Motif is used a lot in Star Wars but it was Luke’s theme before it was the Force’s theme.

Hal 9000 said:

The audio feels pretty ugly to me; are you guys listening with earphones?

Does anyone have any sound effects laying around that could depict bursting through the ice wall, maybe some shimmer or WOOoooosh of trailing off into hyperspace? If foley can be identified the music wouldn’t be as problematic. (This is the kind of thing I’d spend an hour doing myself if I were able. Getting audio to feel right really does take patience. I may be able to at some point but I toss out my thought process in case anyone does come across something suitable.)

And kewlfish, it’s good to have you here! It’s a weird, arguably stupid thing we do around here but we… we like it. At least the 9000 saga will go out on a high note. And then I can get stabbed by Vader.

LAAAAAUUNCH

Thanks Hal! But I listened with headphones and even then I couldn’t hear any abnormalities… did you change song/motif that accompanied this scene… it felt quite different, in a good way of course. The only thing that I could even think of would be having some sort of establishing shot for Ajan Kloss… but audio wise it felt pretty natural to me

Edit: And Hal, something happened to Poppa’s link with all of the joke ships in the background but it looks like Poppa put a clip of his Vader shot in their Master Drive.

Hal 9000 said:

We saw Vader arrive on the DSII in a shuttle, and he hasn’t been seen using his TIE since ANH. I know “realism” isn’t this movie’s strong suit anyway, but the shuttle just seems to make more sense.

Believe me, I’d have way too much fun with random branching if it were trivially easy to set up.

Wow I haven’t really got to check in with the forum today due to work but damn, first @poppasketti that was hilarious man, well done for all of those.

@Hal, that edit was pretty sick… you said it sucked but that was freaking awesome man! Quality of that fidelity would have taken me quite a few attempts to achieve.

And finally, yeah I love the idea of the visual of Vader’s Tie being in the shot but I felt like the shuttle worked much better just for the fact that we saw it when Rey was getting to the Treasure Room of the Death Star II… Either way, y’all have done some fantastic work and I am in awe by how much more I am enjoying Episode IX just being in this forum discussing it with you all. It 's cool just even seeing the process of what a fan edit looks like and getting to chat with you all.

jarbear said:

omnimuffin said:

Hal 9000 said:

That makes a lot of sense when it’s laid out like that.

In the movie it felt like, “Kill her. Or bring her to me, or… you know what, why don’t you just kill me?”

I think it’s a symptom of the movie’s breakneck pace. It’s why it’s so tragic that the movie doesn’t have any released deleted scenes, because between the novelization and the leaks, a (IMO) pretty solid movie was filmed, it just got lost in edits.

It doesn’t help that JJ Abrams seems to edit/direct movies under the belief that if he pauses the action or lets exposition run for more than fifteen seconds at a time, he will literally die. Like the movie Speed, but with bad movie editing.

So … is Jj’s style is like a shark and has to to keep moving or it’ll die?

So JJ is Micheal Bay?

omnimuffin said:

kewlfish said:

This may have been discussed before I joined the forum, but what are Palpatine’s motivations in this edit? That was one of the muddiest parts of the movie was that he wanted Rey dead, but he really didn’t because he told her his plan was always for Kylo to bring her to Exegol.

I always thought that was pretty straightforward. I have a lot of problems with this movie, but I don’t really think Palpatine’s motivations were one of them.

Palpatine initially intended to have Kylo kill Rey and become his new host body. This remains his plan up until Leia reaches out through the force and Rey heals Kylo, resulting in Ben returning to the light.

PALPATINE: The Princess of Alderaan has disrupted my plan… but her foolish act will be in vain. Come to me on Exegol, General Pryde.

Send a ship to a world they know. Let it burn. The Final Order begins. She will come, her friends will follow.

At this point, his plan changes, because Kylo is no longer a viable option, but Rey, who is clearly struggling with the darkness within her, IS.

This remains his plan up until the final confrontation, at which point Rey rejects his influence, and so he settles on simply draining Ben and Rey of their life-force. In doing so, he discovers the true strength of their connection, the Dyad, and realizes he can use the strength inherent in the bond to restore the withered clone husk body he’s inhabiting. Because his body has been restored, he no longer needs Rey or Ben.

Yeah, this is a great breakdown and now that you mention it, I can totally see your reasoning.

Knight of Kalee said:

poppasketti said:

Also also, for the Mustafar establishing shots, if we come up with a sequence that Hal is happy with, adding 1-2 shots, I can probably add the ties to whichever shots are chosen. Rather than mock-up so many different shots with ties though, I was thinking to wait until a sequence is cut that everyone’s on board with. The only shot that would be of questionable difficulty is the first RO shot going through the clouds, but if that cuts well with the others leading to Kylo on the ground we can try to make that work!

I think the particular shots worth a try (in sequence) are:

• TIE Fighters/Troop transports leaving the Star Destroyer. Maybe reverting the trajectory of the TIEs for that TFA shot of Kylo’s destroyer just before Poe’s torture here
• TIEs approaching Vader’s Castle in the first Rogue One establishing shot.
• Or… TIEs flying past the castle when seen from behind (all shots with Krennic’s shuttle erased). The lava environment is less prominent in the second establishing shot so that might sell the transition to woodland better.

Then the sequence would lead to the already existing TIEs flying over the forest. Then to the actual fight seen in the movie.

The only continuity nitpick against it is that TIEs are nowhere to be found during the actual slaughter scene. Maybe adding some TIE flyby sounds and green lasers in the distance could help?

If anyone wants to try the TIE shots, I added my latest (and probably cleanest) removal of Krennic’s ship from Vader’s Castle to my drive.

This may have been discussed before I joined the forum, but what are Palpatine’s motivations in this edit? That was one of the muddiest parts of the movie was that he wanted Rey dead, but he really didn’t because he told her his plan was always for Kylo to bring her to Exegol.

omnimuffin said:

kewlfish said:

omnimuffin said:

https://vocaroo.com/kgwcZdc8MYl

I did a purely audio-based proof of concept for playing with and cleaning up the ‘More than a Clone, Less than a Man’ line from Ian. I can send y’all the raw files without music behind them if you want!

Nice work! Now we just need to find a line or someone who can impersonate Adam Driver’s voice to replace that really, really badly dubbed line where his arm is in front of his face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYsuOWp8Es - timestamp 1:35… smh

I’m not sure that’s bad dubbing, that’s just how Adam Driver sounds, lol. He’s a weird-sounding dude.

Maybe it’s just that his mouth is covered or something… that delivery just sounds really… strange. I just assumed it’s dubbed because his arm was in front of his mouth lol

omnimuffin said:

https://vocaroo.com/kgwcZdc8MYl

I did a purely audio-based proof of concept for playing with and cleaning up the ‘More than a Clone, Less than a Man’ line from Ian. I can send y’all the raw files without music behind them if you want!

Nice work! Now we just need to find a line or someone who can impersonate Adam Driver’s voice to replace that really, really badly dubbed line where his arm is in front of his face

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shYsuOWp8Es - timestamp 1:35… smh

Knight of Kalee said:

kewlfish said:

Yeah lol, I was just watching a video on youtube and that scene came on and I thought maybe… but nope, it definitely doesn’t work.

I don’t get if your talking about the supposed dickhead line or the Mustafar structure idea XD

I was talking about the Mustafar structure lol… I’ve never heard of the dickhead line before will have to check it out

Knight of Kalee said:

Hal 9000 said:

I imagine that feeling strange and disjointed. 😕

Unrelated: can I ask for a single volunteer to send me a recording to be able to add an extremely subtle nod to ROTJ? The line read is, “Die, dickheads!”

Google it if you don’t know what I mean.

Lol I understood that reference.

With regards to Mustafar, I guess the the simpler the better. There’s just not enough existing dialogue, even re-purposed lines, to provide context for that scene to fully work as an opening. The best course of action right now would be, as most people suggested pages earlier, to have a continuous tracking of the TIE Fighters lead us to the battle. First the TIEs and Destroyer in space, then the flyby over the woods (it would be great if some VFX addition could allow for the TIEs to fly past Vader’s Castle, just to make the planet identifiable as Mustafar before moving on to the woodland) and then Kylo’s slaughter of the cultists (and Palpatine’s “find me”).

Yeah lol, I was just watching a video on youtube and that scene came on and I thought maybe… but nope, it definitely doesn’t work.

Hal 9000 said:

I imagine that feeling strange and disjointed. 😕

Unrelated: can I ask for a single volunteer to send me a recording to be able to add an extremely subtle nod to ROTJ? The line read is, “Die, dickheads!”

Google it if you don’t know what I mean.

After much testing, while I enjoy the idea and while J cuts help… there just isn’t enough usable dialogue to suffice

First off, I like how the crawl is coming Hal.

So I had an idea, and I’ve only been toying around with it for a minute but here is what I got so far:

1. Pan from the crawl to the Mustafar Star destroyer
2. (Maybe an establishing shot of the TFA star destroyer with Three tie fighters flying towards it)
3. Move the Hux and Pryde Scene after Jakku (I’m assuming you all are going to cut this scene so that we find out Chewie is alive with Rey) to here. This scene mentions that there has been causalities under the Knights of Ren and that a troop transport had been destroyed, and Pryde comments that he has seen the report… which kind of establishes conflict between him and Hux. (Basically repurposing this conversation for the battle on Mustafar).
4. Establishing shot of Mustafar (Poppa’s tie fighter shot)
5. Kylo on Mustafar.

TK-422 said:

Knight of Kalee said:

Yeah I have polarized thoughts about the novelization. It feels like Lucasfilm cannot make up its mind even after the saga is wrapped up. The same way TROS felt like a retcon of TLJ prompted by backlash, the ROTS novelization retcons controversial stuff established in the very same movie is adapted. Like Rey’s dad not being Palpatine’s biological offspring but a rogue clone of him. Or Ben and Rey’s kiss not being romantic.

On the other hand, the novel confirms stuff that we really should implement or make clearer in any fan-edit of this film, like the fact Palpatine transferred his essence to a clone, but that body is not viable enough to fully support his power (basically, “more than a clone, less than a man”).

Agreed. I don’t think it’s worth trying to explain how Palpatine survived in a fan edit, but I think even a quick line addressing whether he’s a clone or not would be worth throwing in.

Sorry if this has been brought up already, but there’s video of Ian McDiarmid saying the specific line you referenced (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=orSF0EvYRD4&t=1099s at 18:19). I’m not an expert, but I think the audio quality there is decent enough to be placed somewhere in this (or any) edit.

I know the clip has been brought up before, and I want to say someone made a pretty good clip where they cleaned the audio up… or at least I think they did… it’s a great line tho

omnimuffin said:

kewlfish said:

StarkillerAG said:

Are we still determined to keep the “silenced all communication” thing from Trevorrow’s script? I feel like it doesn’t have much relevance here, and it’s contradicted by Lando’s message reaching the entire galaxy.

I think the novel uses this to explain why there are so few members of the Resistance and how the First Order gained so much territory in the year since TLJ. And it gives a little bit of weight to Poe’s comment to Zori about no one listening, it wasn’t because they weren’t listening it’s because the First Order stopped them from listening.

It does; it actually says that there ARE other major Resistance groups, but the First Order’s near-total control over communication makes connecting with them and coordinating between them nearly impossible. Given that we know Hux has a cut line complaining about how ‘flames of rebellion burn across the galaxy’ as Kylo Ren chases ‘a ghost’, I suspect at some point the line about the other groups and the communication silencing was also explicitly stated within the movie.

The problem, as always, is that JJ Abrams has a fatal aversion to exposition, even when it’s desperately, desperately needed.

Man, I’ve been really on the fence about the novel but it sounds like it might be a good read.

poppasketti said:

Here’s an update to the Tie Replacement on Exogol:
https://vimeo.com/420155526
pw: fanedit

I spent a lot of time staring at lightning flicker at 800% scale, so I could just be going mad, but I think it’s pretty close! If anyone sees any issues, please let me know. I made the shuttle a little bit bigger, but also curious how the scale feels.

Yeah I think this is fantastic work

StarkillerAG said:

Are we still determined to keep the “silenced all communication” thing from Trevorrow’s script? I feel like it doesn’t have much relevance here, and it’s contradicted by Lando’s message reaching the entire galaxy.

I think the novel uses this to explain why there are so few members of the Resistance and how the First Order gained so much territory in the year since TLJ. And it gives a little bit of weight to Poe’s comment to Zori about no one listening, it wasn’t because they weren’t listening it’s because the First Order stopped them from listening.