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Post: #65757
Topic: PG-13 Revenge of the Sith
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65757/action/topic#65757
Time: 20-Sep-2004 4:15 PM

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Originally posted by: ricarleite<br
If you think ROTS is going to be depressing, then watch some movies like "Magnolia", "Edward Scissorhands", or even better: watch "Threads", THAT'S depressing. You'll end up wanting to kill yourself.

I belive ROST might have a more serious tone, almost as serious as ESB. But still, it'll be the good old crappy CGI and plot extravaganza.

I don't believe it will be as depressing as a really heart breaker like The Day After or Awakenings but I definutly think it will be depressing on science fiction standards. We loose Padme. Shes a character I have fallen in love with. Seeing her die (no idea how since I go spoiler free). Alot of great characters are going to bite the dust and the galaxy will go down. Empire Strikes Back will look like Barney after seeing the dark storyline of Revenge of the Sith.

Post: #65755
Topic: Wierd skinny greedo in Greedo vs Han on DVD
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65755/action/topic#65755
Time: 20-Sep-2004 4:08 PM

Thats a mistake that was always there and the Special Edition never corrected

Post: #65753
Topic: the "ultimate edition"
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65753/action/topic#65753
Time: 20-Sep-2004 4:05 PM

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Originally posted by: Klingon_Jedi
Yeah, I get what you're saying. I guess since I read the book, I knew who he was and didn't really need the scene. My problem was that Luke barely mentions him at the start of the film("That's what you said when Biggs and Tank left."). So I imagined that most people would forget that line.Now suddenly there's this guy being all buddy buddy with Luke, and we're grasping for straws trying to figure out who he is. The scene is still the best addition in 97, being as it's the only thing that added any real value to the film. Did Lucas every give any explanation to it being cut?

Pacing issues. I agree it is a great change but the wampa change is my favorite.

Post: #65627
Topic: Raiders of the Lost Ark - Special Edition?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65627/action/topic#65627
Time: 20-Sep-2004 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by: ChainsawAsh
Okay, here's the BIG DIFFERENCE between the disease known as Lucasism and normal directors. Lucas completely stamps out the original versions of his films (THX 1138, Star Wars Trilogy). Other directors don't usually. Spielberg's E. T. The Extra-Terrestrial DVD contained THE THEATRICAL VERSION as well as the Special Edition. He didn't pretend E. T.'s original version did not exist, but he updated it anyway. I don't give a rat's ass if they do this to Raiders of the Lost Ark, because I have a pristine Lowry-restored official DVD of the 1982 theatrical version sitting on my shelf as we speak. He didn't stamp the original out. So let him do what he wants. Who cares. You have your film in the medium you wanted it in. I guarantee if GL released the original cuts of the Star Wars movies, nobody would care if he put out the SE's as well, as long as the originals were out, and no-one would criticize him as badly as they do for making the SE.

Again original Indiana Jones is not out on DVD.

Post: #65594
Topic: PG-13 Revenge of the Sith
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65594/action/topic#65594
Time: 20-Sep-2004 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by: Windexed
AOTC was the epitome of laziness when it comes to cgi. I can understand the need to cgi ships, and city scapes, as well as other things that would be too hard for stuntmen. But George was just cgi'ing for the sake of cgi'ing. It probably went something like this:

Crew: George, the guys are here to build the walls for Palpatine's office.

George: Uh, I've decided we're going to cgi them, so tell them to take a hike.

Crew: Well, we also have the guys who are going to build the floor for the Jedi Temple.

George: why would we want that when we can just cgi the floor?

Crew: And the guys are here with various alien costumes that look very real and took a lot of effort and creativity.

George: Hmmm, tempting, but this banking clan member costume just isn't Roger Rabbit enough for me. We'll cgi them.

Crew: once last thing, George. Ewan just got back from his vacation, and he shaved his beard.

George: I anticipated this, so I already have a guy working on cgi'ing read pubes onto his face. God my 'vision' kicks ass.

The reason why the floors are digital is because he didn't like the floor they built and it would have been a waste of time and money to reshoot the scene. Guys in masks look fake as hell. I want him to replace every cantina alien with one thats face moves when it talks. I do agree about the banking clan leader. Probably the only effect in Attack of the Clones.

Post: #65588
Topic: For fun...What would be in your Star Wars DVD package?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65588/action/topic#65588
Time: 20-Sep-2004 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by: R2
Well, for me the ultimate set would include the original theatrical versions along with the final Lucas versions for each film. A commentary track for all three films that included Lucas and other key production folks as well as an actor commentary with Hamil, Ford and Fisher.

Each film would have it's own special features disc that would include deleted scenes, all trailers, TV spots, galleries, and the making of specials that aired on TV. The Empire of Dreams documentary would be split into three different documentaries and each would be 2hrs long and focus specifically on each film.

Other than that, I can't think of anything else that the set would need to have. At least in my eyes. A John Williams commentary would be nice but not necessary.

Perhaps as a mail in bonus you could send away for the Holiday Special. That way, only the real die hards would send away for it.

There was much extra material that was planned for this DVD set but had to be cut to save time. Expect the Ultimate Edition to include all six movies. Expect more changes for all six movies. Expect high definition picture and high quailty lossless audio. Expect deleted scenes and alot more making of extras. Don't expect the original versions.

Post: #65555
Topic: PG-13 Revenge of the Sith
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65555/action/topic#65555
Time: 20-Sep-2004 9:57 AM

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Originally posted by: justlnluck
Darth and Jaster, good posts. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Jimbo, you sound like a pretty intelligent guy, so it surprises me that you welcome digital enhancements and digital characters like the PT yoda. Now don't get me wrong, CGI is a great artform. I really enjoy movies like Finding Nemo and Toy Story. But no matter how "pretty" CGI is, computer graphics have yet to reach the point of realism where they fit seamlessly with live action video. While I'm watching a movie, I want to forget reality and be immersed in the story's environment. The OT is so beautiful because it brings us a whole universe filled with objects and characters that seem remarkably tangible and real. Half the reason I could not enjoy TPM and ATOC was because every time a CGI object appeared on screen (about every scene), I recognized it as fake and was jolted back into reality and out of the story. The CG characters are especially disconcerting. How are you supposed to invest interest in a cartoon character that is supposed to exist in a live action universe?

Today, I was watching ESB preSE today and for every spaceship, creature, building, etc, I tried my best to look for details that made it stand out as fake. It wasn't easy. The stop motion effects of a couple wanton (sp?) running scenes and a background at Bespin (matte painting) appeared fake, but that was it! I have so much respect for the modelers that worked on the starwars movies. Miniature models with good motion capture will beat out current CG effects everytime, hands down.

The great thing about the OT is that the story only included special effects when it was possible to make them look realistic. If it couldn't be done with realistic miniatures, the story did not include the scene. Sure it might be fun to see Yoda use a lightsaber and fight, but if this cannot be done realistically (ie with a muppet), then it is simply not worth it. Unfortunately, George Lucas apparently feels CG effects look sufficiently realistic and has lets his movies include scenes that can only be done in the computer. Not only this, but he also now draws in objects that COULD be done as superior looking miniatures!

Now I know that movie costs have risen dramatically compared to the late 70's, early 80's. Perhaps good modelers are too costly to hire? But what I found interesting is that on the ESB commentary track, a special effects commentator mentioned that it took 9 months to do all of the special effects seen in ESB. But now with the PT, which is 90% CG, it takes 2 years post-production to do add all the effects and scenery for each movie. Time is money and it would seem 2 years of CG would still be at least as costly as 9 months of modeling.

I feel the same way about digital effects as George does. It just looks better to me. It feels more alive and therefor more realistic. I first feel in love with digital effects after seeing the dinosaurs of Jurassic Park. I gurentee that if digital effects like that excisted in the 1970s the originals would be just as computer filled. Digital effects have fixed any problem or hardship in making a movie. It frees up so many limits. The Yoda fight kicked all ass. I love to death seeing that little guy fight. I felt like a kid again when I felt so full of life. Growing up with this character and then seeing him go out and show why he is the Jedi master was the absolute best. In my opinion seeing Yoda fight alone was worth the ticket price.

Post: #65378
Topic: PG-13 Revenge of the Sith
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65378/action/topic#65378
Time: 19-Sep-2004 4:55 PM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
I liked it plenty...as a momentary high. But give me the muppet anyday.

Don't get me wrong I loved the Yoda puppet and would be against replacing him with a digital model in The Empire Strikes Back. I wouldn't mind a couple digital enhancements but not a total replacement. But the digital Yoda was definutly the way to go for Attack of the Clones. His unrestricted digital form gave him tons of new abilities. Seeing his feet while walking, improved hand motion, riding a hover chair, and of course kicking ass.

Post: #65375
Topic: Cleveland Plain Dealer News Article- 9/19/04
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65375/action/topic#65375
Time: 19-Sep-2004 4:45 PM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
But he turned back to the light side when he killed the Emperor didn't he? He was reborn again.

By that logic though his spirit should be bald burned and limbless. A force ghost has to look like they were when they were alive. Anakin never looked like that.

Post: #65374
Topic: Beautiful Women
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65374/action/topic#65374
Time: 19-Sep-2004 4:41 PM

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Originally posted by: Regicidal_Maniac<br
Do you realise that Ed O'Neill's Al Bundy character from Married With Children was an ironic satire of subnormal misogynists? (He asks already knowing the answer to be "huh?")

The 'ideal' you aspire to is a parody of a stereotype. Aim a little higher than the bottom ten percent.

What I like about Al Bundy is he say all the things we are thinking deep inside but that women never are able to tolarate. He is the opposite of what women want us to be. For example when he insults fat women at his shoe store. I always considered him a hero when he did this. When you meet a fat women who treats you like shit or acts like shes thin you always want to tell her off to her face but don't have the courage. Al Bundy does. Its also great how life constantly kicks this guy down but he always keeps trying. "Bundys are losers not quiters" While I definutly don't want my life to end up like Als I can always say no matter how much girls dump me, teachers whine, parents bitch, sisters nag, and life just generally sucks Als life sucks a little bit more.

Post: #65370
Topic: Cleveland Plain Dealer News Article- 9/19/04
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65370/action/topic#65370
Time: 19-Sep-2004 4:33 PM

I am really sick and fucking tired of people asking why Obi-wan is still old while Anakin is not. Because Obi-Wan was good until death. His old self was his last true form. Anakin Skywalker died when he turned into Darth Vader. A force ghost always takes the form of the last true form. Which was when he looked like Hayden.

Post: #65366
Topic: I have a good feeling about this
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65366/action/topic#65366
Time: 19-Sep-2004 4:27 PM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Fact remains that if Lucas had intended things to be that way, he would've filmed it with a stand-in younger actor for Anakin at the time.

Totally disagree. If he had a stand in young actor it would have just left everyone confused. It also would have made making prequals harder. Now that Attack of the Clones is made he can now put that in with little confusion. I still don't consider this a good change since it does create one plot hole. Luke nodes at Anakins ghost like he knows its his father. Wouldn't he have been like who is this guy.

Post: #65363
Topic: Changes in 2004 DVDs
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65363/action/topic#65363
Time: 19-Sep-2004 4:22 PM

My parents had the Star Wars bought tapes before I was born I watched them all the time as a kid. Those tapes were pan scan but I loved em. Today they have long worn out. They are so scratched up they are unwatchable. Thats what VHS does. Which is why I want these movies on DVD. A format that lasts. I was 9 when the Special Editions were released in theaters. That was the first time I saw them on the big screen. I loved seeing them on the big screen and I loved every single change. Since then I have turned against a couple of the changes but still consider them the superior version. I bought the VHS special edition still pan scan watched them only for a while and have recently sold them at a garage sale. Currently I don't have any watchable version of these movies but that will change in only too days. Damn I can't wait.

Post: #65346
Topic: Beautiful Women
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65346/action/topic#65346
Time: 19-Sep-2004 3:34 PM

I know hooters is not a nudy bar but I just couldn't resist saying those nudy bar rhymes. Al Bundy is my ideal

Where the beer gives you gas but the Bundys kick ass at the nudy bar

Post: #65345
Topic: Will anyone please video capture the "When Star Wars Ruled the World" Vh1 Special?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65345/action/topic#65345
Time: 19-Sep-2004 3:31 PM

It was mostly fluff and is definutly unworthy of a DVD release. I was hoping for more on Revenge of the Sith. It was kind of nice to see peoples reactions to first seeing these great movies.

Post: #65343
Topic: The 2004 DVDs will be Limited Edition! No more to be produced after Dec 2004!
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65343/action/topic#65343
Time: 19-Sep-2004 3:29 PM

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Originally posted by: RobinHood
No, need to worry about limited amount of the just release Trilogy. There will more than enough around until the next Box set release.

I read - believe it was at DigitalBits - that Lucas WILL be releasing a Box set of all 6 DVDs in one box with more extras on it. Don´t know whether this is true or not.

But you can count on Lucas will milk every Star Wars fans down to their last Dollar. There is no question we will see many more box sets releases of all 6 movies. Make sure of that.

It will come but not till 2007. I will buy these for $35 and sell it for $15 right before the Ultimate Editions come out. I consider $20 a worth price for three years of use. Expect a 6 movie 30th anniversery High Definition Ultimate set to come. Expect more extras including deleted scenes for the originals and expect additional changes to all six movies.

Post: #65340
Topic: I have a good feeling about this
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65340/action/topic#65340
Time: 19-Sep-2004 3:23 PM

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
i consider taking him out of the movie in any scene is totally disrespectful...
that was his role...
not Hayden's...

well in all fairness when Lucas dies they can take his name completely off of ESB and ROTJ....
he still has his name on the one he directed... but not the others...

and by your logic thats okay right jimbo??

In some ways the change does make sense. A force ghost takes your last true form. Obi-wan and Yoda were good up until there deaths which is why there ghosts still appear old. The last time Anakin was Anakin was when he looked like Hayden. Not a limbless burned up corpes in a mechinical body. The good Anakin is Haydens part. Shaws part is the dieing corpes behind the mask.

Post: #65245
Topic: Beautiful Women
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65245/action/topic#65245
Time: 19-Sep-2004 6:30 AM

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Jimbo, you're like a 14 year old version of a insanely republican Buck Bundy, but actually with some money.

Im 17

Post: #65244
Topic: PG-13 Revenge of the Sith
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65244/action/topic#65244
Time: 19-Sep-2004 6:30 AM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Episode III will be the Revenge of the Shit. Will it be darker than Empire? Most likely not since Lucas is at the helm. Considering the kiddiness of I and II compared to the OT, I'll say it'll be PG. Lucas lies all the time. he's just trying to stir discussions like this up. ; )

It will definutly be much darker then Empire. First of all Attack of the Clones is probably the second darkest of the Star Wars movies. Return of the Jedi has the empire getting defeated by teddy bears but you can call Attack of the Clones childish. Statments like that make no sense. Attack of the Clones was far far better then The Phantom Menace. This is not Lucas learning from mistakes. What it is was always the plan. Episode 1 was always going to be as much of a kids movies as possible. He did it this way because he knew Episode 2 would be much much darker and Episode 3 would not be happy by any stretch of the imagination. Considering how many characters are going to die and how the galaxy is going to be plunged into darkness Revenge of the Sith might be one of the most depressing movies in a while.

Post: #65240
Topic: Power Hungry Execs...
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65240/action/topic#65240
Time: 19-Sep-2004 6:19 AM

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Originally posted by: buddy-x-wing
perhaps if Lucas was able to accept a little constructive input/criticism, the prequals might have been a lot better.

A good artist ignores his critices.

Post: #65239
Topic: Beautiful Women
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65239/action/topic#65239
Time: 19-Sep-2004 6:17 AM

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Originally posted by: Jedi Master
Does that mean you guys are going to start hanging out in a Hooter's bar when Jimbo turns 21?

I believe you only need to be 18 to hang in the nudy bar

Where the music stinks and they water the drinks at the nudy bar
Where you look at a thigh and blacken an eye at the nudy bar
Where the girlies dance in there underpants at the nudy bar
Where a bucks enough to see there stuff at the nudy bar
Where you swear like a sailer and wish you could nail her at the nudy bar
Where the breasts may be fake but man can they shake at the nudy bar
Where the bear is a plenty and the women are all 20 at the nudy bar
Where you see there butt but there trap stays shut at the nudy bar

Post: #65231
Topic: TV Broadcast question
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65231/action/topic#65231
Time: 19-Sep-2004 5:53 AM

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Originally posted by: Darth Justin
Sci-Fi sucks in the U.S. They rarely show good movies. The good ones are hardly ever on. I don't like the shows. But it use to be much better. If this channel represents Sci-Fi today, I guess I'm not much if a Sci-Fi fan...

I disagree Sci-fi often show some good movies and unlike many backwards stations almost always in widescreen.

Post: #65224
Topic: HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65224/action/topic#65224
Time: 19-Sep-2004 5:28 AM

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Originally posted by: Jay
Warner had some level of ownership in the company that manufactured the snapper cases. That's why they've used them for so long. I believe that relationship is over now, which is why you're seeing new releases in keepcases.

Warner is probably my favorite studio when it comes to DVDs. Their releases are consistently reference-quality, and as Patrick says, their re-releases offer genuine improvements over the original disc. The Good Fellas remaster is gorgeous. One of those DVDs that makes my DLP projector look like it's projecting film.

Personally my favorite studio in terms of DVD is Fox. There releases almost always seem reference quality too but they appear to have better extras then Warner usually gives. Though in the early days of DVD Warner was best since they support anamorphic transfers from the beginning while some backwards studios went without anamorphic encoding.

Post: #65222
Topic: PG-13 Revenge of the Sith
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65222/action/topic#65222
Time: 19-Sep-2004 5:23 AM

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
did anyone??
lol

I like em. I love Star Wars.

Post: #65221
Topic: I have a good feeling about this
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/65221/action/topic#65221
Time: 19-Sep-2004 5:22 AM

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Originally posted by: Luke Skywalker
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You forget George Lucas made Star Wars. The stooges are dead and those colorising it have nothing to do with originally making it.

what about Sebastian Shaw?
he's dead...

and im sure some of the people who worked on the special effects are no longer with us...
is that how we give credit in this world is once their dead we get rid of all their hard work and accomplishments???

Shaw is still in the movie. The only scene were he had any dialog he is still there. Hes not Anakins ghost anymore but all he did then was stand there. The only scene where he really did anything he is still there. Unless you consider his lack of eye brows to be erasing him.