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#213154
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We start the war from right here
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Rushing into conflict is unbecoming of a Jedi.

I see no reason to call this a war, but I will not be buying the new DVD's and may consider writing in to Lucasfilm. But war, now that's a bit much IMO. War is what you do when you find out the water at your old home when your child was an infant had tainted water. Knowing that you had made formula from water with high levels of dioxin in it, that is a call to arms. This is just a mere setback. Actually, it is a victory. Lucas had not wanted to release the films at all, yet now he is. It is the battle of the bulge. Their lines are weakening and if we stay on our present course, we will be victorious.
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#213118
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Modern Myths?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/213118/action/topic#213118
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I think I may not have been clear, but then, the term myth has many meanings.

In the scene in Sphere, the characters were talking about 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. It was a story they were all familiar with, loved, and had in one way or another, influenced their lives. This is what I was talking about, more than the explicator or the just plain supernatural or even stories that conform to Campell's views on mythology and the monomyth. I would imagine that Monty Python and the Holy Grail has become mythological to a certain group of people who had grown up with it.
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#212804
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The Official Lucasfilm Response
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212804/action/topic#212804
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
Maybe when GL dies (I know thats a mean thought but hey) we will get a good verion of the OOT


Or Marcia if that heresay is true, but, well, you know.

Chances are, that is a very real possibility. We now have a fully restored King Kong thanks to remastering and lost footage found and all that to put back in what the censors took out. It may be that our children and our children's children will have to suffer with the SE's but seventy or so years after Lucas eventually kicks the bucket, the original version will be restored to the public. Why? Because at that point, the smokescreen of "artistic vision" will be seen as tha sham it is *AND* the CGI in the SE will not look so hot anymore (if they ever did) so the only people interested in the films will be those looking at them from a historical perspective, which means the originals will be what they want, and they'll get them if they have to painstakinging reconstruct the visual information by hand.
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#212443
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Help with a logic puzzle
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212443/action/topic#212443
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The way the solution is written, it seems to work like this: The envelopes either contain $1000 or $2000. However, they are not marked so you cannot know how much is in the envelope. You friend hands you one (E1) and then offers to switch the second (E2). If E1 has $2000 in it, then E2 has half that, $1000. If E1 has $1000 in it, then E2 has double that, $2000. But, since the envelopes are unmarked, you cannot tell which is which using logic, so it does not matter which one you take. And quite frankly, if you have a friend who has $3000 to fiddle around with in this way, just kick him in the nuts and take both envelopes. His money would be better spent by you, anyway, apparently.


Now, here's another one for you:

Three men get a hotel room to play poker all night. The day manager tells them the room is $30, so each man pays with a $10. $10 + $10 +$10 = $30. Later, the night manager comes in and goes over the books and finds that the men were overcharged. The room cost $25, not $30. So he calls a bellboy over and pulls five $1 bills out of the till and sends them up to the men with his apologies. $30 - $5 = $25. In the elevator, the bell boy realises that the men may fight over who will get shorted the dollar, so he "selflessly" puts two of the $1 bills in his wallet and returns the three $1 bills to the men. So now the men paid $10 - $1 = $9, times three men, $9 x 3 = $27, Plus the two $1 bills in the bell boy's wallet. $27 + $2 = $29. Where's the last dollar?

Do not say taxes.
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#212386
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Modern Myths?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212386/action/topic#212386
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I've been reading Power of Myth by Campell and Moyers. Interesting stuff, especially about how Campell says we no longer have myths. However, in the novel (not the movie) Sphere, during a discussion of the Disney version of 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, a character reflected that movies and television are our new myths.

What do you think of that?
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#212074
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Torn.... To buy, or not to buy.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212074/action/topic#212074
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Originally posted by: Master Skywalker
Also GL never gave a "real" reason why he didn't wanted to release the O-OT and "They don't exsist anymore to me" exept his "This are the movies as I intended them to be" (really, do you BELIEVE this sh*t?)


My sentiments exactly. All artists get ideas to "improve" their masterpieces. Spielberg wanted to get the tune for "When You Wish Upon a Star" for Close Encounters but he couldn't get the rights from Disney. He has the clout and capitol now to get it but he hasn't yet. Why? he made an alternate cut of E.T. but packaged the original version with it instead of pretending it doesn't exist anymore. Why? Why does Lucas do one thing while other directors from his generation do another?

To be honest, we may never know. We can only speculate about Lucas's actions compared to the actions of other artists. All we have to do is use our eyes, ears and brains.

The Special Editions are different, true, but they are not much different. Little goes on that actually enhances the storytelling. I doubt that Lucas is so dumb as to thing that the storytelling is actually enhanced in the SE. The CGI Death Star Battle is not noticeably better than the original. I need to do a side-by-side comparason to actually see what is different. So, for the most part, the story remains the same, so it is not a storytelling need that brings them out.

After 20-or-so years, Special effects technology has come a long way, but I still don't find the SE effect that much better. moreover, the changes and addtions seem to be rather ham-handedly added to the SE. The famous Greedo scene looks like a still photograph (I could swear I had that Star Wars card, actually) taken by the set photographer that had minor animation added to it. It looks terrible. Which is stupid because if Lucas really wanted Greedo to shot first all it would have taken was a quick shot of Greedo firing and adding a black spot on the wall behind Han where he missed. Granted there is a debate over whether greedo should get to shoot at all, but if the change was handled with more art, then the debate would be moot as either way it looks good. So the changes are not fullfilling a technical nor artistic need.

So what is left? Money. I am sure that, marcia or no, a Special Edition was planned to "improve" the effects of Star Wars to entice audiences back, especially those who complain that the films have not aged well. Add a few scenes and stuff and suddenly people open their wallets again. Heck, that is what Spielberg did with E.T. (although I didn't bite) So, this explains why he made a SE, but that doesn't explain the desire to surpress it. If he is driven by money, then it only makes sense to have both versions available. Put out two versions of the same movie on DVD at the same price and the hardcore fans will buy both. He stands to sell more copies keeping the orignals available then not. So there must be another reason to surpress them.

The Marcia angle could be it. It is possible it isn't, but it is a more sound explanation that the whole "original vision" thing which smacks heavily of spin.
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#212068
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Help: looking for... Fan prequels?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212068/action/topic#212068
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Originally posted by: darkhelmetLooks like a pretty comprehensive story arc in both posts. My friend and I talked about retelling the prequels' story, and it's pretty amazing that we came up with a similar connection for Owen, Beru and Anakin.

It all sounds pretty cool, but having Luke fall into lava, too? How does that work?

Interesting that we came up with a similar idea for Owen, Beru and Anakin. But then, the connection between these characters needs to exist and a strong connection is better than a weak one. The actual prequels has a weak one.

It's like the difference between the theatrical and special editions of Aliens. In the Special Edition, Ripley had a daughter who had died of old age before she was found in suspended animation, so she attaches herself to the young girl Newt as a mother looking for a lost daughter or something like that. The theatrical version has no such set-up and it just appears that Ripley attaches to Newt out of awakening maternal instincts and a common bond as two people who had survived the Alien creatures. There is a debate on this, but I find the theatiracl version to have a stronger bond.

As for Luke falling into the lava, it's not Luke, obviously, but a ruse to fool Vader. Luke was actually already secreted off to the Owen and Beru. The ruse was necessary because if Vader and the Emperor did not think Luke was dead, they would have kept looking until they found him. I had thought this was a useful plot device and helps tie things better to the next trilogy. It makes Obi Wan's failure appear complete when he cuts off Vader's hand and then tries to catch the infant by only grabs a corner of the blanket which unrolls and the infant (possibly a droid or something) falls into the lava (or whatever. Using lava again may not be the best idea). His failure complete, He departs and Vader lets him go thinking he's won, saying "He will only return to die by my hand."

And I've had this vision set in my mind about the Clone Wars from early speculation about it involving Boba Fett's people, the Mandalorian.
One of the early ideas, I believe, was that the Clones were clones of the Mandalorian (like the Prequels), but they were made by the Mandalorian for their own use. And I can't help but love the idea of a sky-flying Mandalorians taking on an army of Jedi.

That being said, and aside from the fact that the OT reference is specifically to "clone", your "Cloan" idea is pretty ingenious.


Part of the reason for 'Cloan' is that it's likely to get more hits from a search engine for those who wish to find it, should I ever make anything out of this. However, my vision is pretty much in line with your vision. The Cloans I mention are Boba Fett's people. The term Mandalorian does not appear in the OOT, so I feel alright not using it. But maybe you have something there. In fact, it was a concept I had earlier. I have not fully dispensed of the idea, but I'm not as sure about it, either, hence why I did not include it in the synopsis above. Part of my plan is to have a young Cloan/Mandalorian character named Boba Fett appear, giving him something to actually do besides just looking badass in the OOT before dying stupidly.

In fact, he might be useful in the stuff about Luke's "death" above. Have him shoot at ObiWan but him "Luke" instead, adding a history to the "No disintigations." line in ESB. I mean, if Boba had disintigrated Vader's son, you'd bet he'd be pissed.

Yeah, I'm feeling burn-out over the whole SW thing, and once I'm done with my Episode 3 re-edit, I may drop it for the most part.


Yeah. That's why I've put this here. Maybe this is only good as a "it could have been" but a useful exercise in what is probably a difficult writing task, to make prequels that do not spoil the originals. In light of how difficult this task is, I think it's amazing the prequels were as good as they were. Particularly since Lawrence Kasdan is not part of the writing team anymore.
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#212057
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Torn.... To buy, or not to buy.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/212057/action/topic#212057
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I was planning on getting these for the principle of it, but after reading about a potential angle involving Lucas's ex-wife, I think the principle might not even be there. If the deciding factor to go ahead and make the special edition *AND* to make the OOT not exist anymore is to cut Marcia out of the payroll, then it kind of makes me or anyone else buying these things seem like a non-issue. That is, I think this edition could break sales records that will last for fifty years and it won't matter. Lucas has reasons beyond merely prefering the SE versions and thinking of them as the "definitive" versions of these movies.
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#211884
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Help: looking for... Fan prequels?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211884/action/topic#211884
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Part 2: The Shadow Falls

This one is even more sketchy, but this is what I have.

* Anakin has been training to be a Jedi Knight.

* Qui Gon is still an apprentice and is chaffing under Obi Wan's tutilage now.

* The nature of the Jedi is different from the actual prequels. In those films, the jedi were rather institutionalized with a rigid structure and such. My Jedi are much looser. ObiWan calls them together to try to get their aide against the Cloans, but they are reluctant as it is their duty to defend peace, not to be involved in political struggles. If the Cloan armadas conquer, they will continue to make peace under their regime.

* Obi Wan's most vocal opponent is Mace Windu who is displeased with Obi Wan's exploits as they are a bit garish for a Jedi.

* A mysterious figure in black has been killing Jedi Knights. This person wears a mask to conceal his identity

* Obi Wan and his apprentices go to find this person on a planet with poor atmosphere, so they wear breathing equipment which obscures their faces and alters their voices. the two apprentices search together and then one kills the other. ObiWan find the pile of clothes and Anakin's lightsabre, which he takes.

* Obi Wan confront the figure in black and learns that the person calls himself Darth Vader and is one of his apprentices. They battle and vader is plunged into the lava.

* ObiWan returns to the front of the Cloan battle and finds out that the Jedi have sided with the Cloans. In the Chancellor's Palace, ObiWan and Mace Windu battle, but it turns out that the reason why the Cloans were attacking is because the chancellor of the Republic is evil and Obi Wan's loyalties had been sadly misplaced.

* Vader returns as a mechanical monstrosity and a battle ensues, jedi die but obi Wan escapes.

I kind of like the reversal here with the Cloans being actually the good guys all of a sudden because the chancellor is, you know, the emperor and stuff. It makes the story about the failings of Obi Wan, how is somewhat non-jedi ways led to the downfall of everything he holds dear.

Obviously, Bail and Amidala need to be in here somewhere, but it's sketchy as of yet. I think Anakin and Amidala's marriage needs to be stated at some point. They kind of have to be married since I doubt that children out of wedlock would go over well.

My main purpose here is to keep Vader's true identity a secret until ESB. Imagine the shock for someone who first sees these movies in order. This actually strengthens the whole 6-part series, tying them together. The actual prequel weaken this. Sure, we get to see Anakin's fall from grace, but it makes the reveal in ESB weaker because we already know this.


Part 3: The Fading Light

Still sketchy, but this is what I have:

* The chancellor declares the Republic is now an empire. "And democracy dies to thunderous applause" appears in the opening crawl, rather than being shown. Also the Jedi are declared outlaws. This is all in the crawl.

* Obi Wan has left behind the name of Obi Wan as it is no longer safe, so he goes by Ben. Note the tie in to the first episode! Woo!

* Amidala has secretly given birth to a son, which Obi Wan thinks should be hidden.

* the Emperor and Vader learn of the child and begin hunting for the son of Skywalker

*Obi Wan takes Luke to Dagobah and consults with his master, Yoda. Yoda tells him it is not safe to leave the boy here as the emperor is hunting down the Jedi and both he and Vader will not rest until they find the son of Skywalker.

* Vader confronts Amidala about her son and kills her when she refuses to tell him where he is.

* In a final battle, Vader and Obi Wan clash over the child, with lots of hiding and stuff, like the sabre battle in ESB. Which ends with vader seizing the infant and then obi Wan slices off his hand (mechanical) and tries to catch the child but the blanket unravels and the baby falls into the lava (Lava? Again??)

*years later, Obi Wan goes to tatooine where Owen and Beru have set up a moiture farm and tells them it is now safe as the emperor thinks Luke is dead and he has come to take Luke to train him to be a jedi Knight.

*Owen refuses to let Obi Wan take Luke and says that Anakin should have stayed with him and not gotten involved. ObiWan warn Owen to not get in the way of another's destiny and departs.

* Luke comes out and asks who that man was. Owen says it was no one important. They all look at the starry sky. A shooting star goes by. Beru points to it and says "Look! There's you're father. Owen gives her a sharp look and tells Luke that maybe someday he'll tell Luke all about him.

Fade out.


I don't think much here needs explanation. Making Luke a central item to drive the plot makes this a strong story. Making it appear that Luke is killed helps explain why the Emperor is not still searching for him. Bringing Luke to Dagobah adds to the lines Luke says in ESB about how Dagobah is familiar like he'd been there in a dream. I might even have a scene with Leia which Bail says is his daughter and he and Amidala exchange a look which becomes apparent in RotJ. I do like the ending and how the trilogy is bookended by a shooting star.

In any case, this is my idea for a prequel trilogy... at least at this time. I now welcome comments and rocks chucked at my head.
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#211877
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Help: looking for... Fan prequels?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211877/action/topic#211877
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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
Good luck! I'd love to see any progress you make.


I find various ideas come and go, start small and then grow as I dwell on them. I'm starting to think that my effort would be better spend on a project of my own so that the fanboys can bitch when i put out a special edition with enhanced footage

But, here's the basic story outline I have so far, such as it is, with a few notes. Like Lucas's original story synopsis, it would likely be very different from the final product, should one ever get made. In other words, what you read here is subject to change, and lots of it.

Also, as much as I love Star Wars, I'm not as well read on the EU or any other sources outside of the movies. So like Lucas, the movies are what I will base the prequels on and unlike Lucas, the movies are the only thing I will remain true to.

The Cloan Wars

That is not a typo. "Cloan" is the name for the recurring villians here. My reasoning is that there was a throwaway line referencing the "Clone Wars" in ANH. In 1977, "clone" was a vague, science fictiony word which could have meant anything. In 2006, the term clone is not only widely understood but has crossed from science fiction to science fact. Who'd a thunk that? I may be reading intentions not in Lucas's original ideas, but I also can't think of a way to work in the concept of cloning. I hated it in the prequels. With the clones and droid armies we basically were given two utterly disposable armies fighting with each other and as such there was no drama because we do not care about any of them. I don't like that. If I can think of a way to make cloning a part of the pplot I will but for now it's not Clone, it's Cloan.

Part 1: A Shooting Star

In the opening crawl we learn the villianous CLOAN ARMADA which has been waging an all-out war to overthrow the REPUBLIC. They have managed to gain a foothold on the peaceful world of ALDERAN, enslaving the planet to use it as a launch pad for further assaults.

The royal family of Alderan has been scattered. Prince Bail Organa struggles with a rebel band of followers to free his world from tyranny while his siter, Princess Amidala is under the protection of the famed Jedi Knight, Obi Wan Kenobi and his apprentice Qui Gon Jin. Forced into hiding, she prays for a chance to strike back at the armada and bring freedom back to her people...



Where's Brian DePalma when you need him?

This sets the stage for all the tension. The problem with the actual prequels is that there is no clear enemy, which was part the plan, but it unfortunately did not work. Star Wars was always a very simple story with very, very clear right and wrong. The muddled morality weakens the story. Worse, it makes the whole series not feel like Star Wars. It feels like the worst rip-off of Star Wars since Krull. It also weakens the narrative. A running thread through the OOT was the presence of Vader as a nemisis. Without that... It just doesn't work right.

Maybe my concept is similarly weak, but let's look at it thus far:

I have set up a struggle with the Republic under attack from an outside force, the Cloan Armada. Why? How do we know they are called the Cloan Armada? Who cares? How did Vader know Luke Skywalker's name by the begining of ESB? Some stuff doesn't really matter as long as the plot gets moving at a good pace. And this is a good pace. We are In Media Res for the Cloan Wars. Do we really need to see the time of peace before the war? I don't think so. All in all, I think this conflict is better for Star Wars than a blockage based on some kind of taxation dispute or whatever the heck it was.

Note how while this concept is a totally teardown of the prequels to start from scratch, I am not above reusing ideas here, such as the characters of Amidala and Qui Gon, although there are somewhat different people than in the actual prequels. I'm not planning on using the name Padme at this time, but Amidala sure as hell won't be going by that. I get that Lucas was trying to use the old saw from the cliffhangers of the dual identity and stuff as well as something from the original story synopsis where the princess was rather plain looking at first but was like a godess at the award ceremony. I just don't see the point of it, personally. Also, I ditched Naboo in favor of making Amidala part of the royal house of Alderan. Simplify things wherever possible. I'm making Qui Gon the apprentice because I think Obi Wan should have two apprentices, for reasons that will become clear later. I do flip flop over whether Obi Wan already has Qui Gon at this point or not, which will be clear later.

We open on the planet Aquilae at night. A shooting star goes by and three speeder whiz by, young people out joyriding. In the speeders are Owen Lars, Benjamin, Anakin Skywalker who has his girlfriend Beru riding with him. They race around. Anakin is easily the best pilot and makes more daring manuvers. They get a strange single on their scanners and land to investigate. Sneaking up on it quietly, they see a small detachment of Cloan Soldiers have landed. They are excited and frightened by this. They observe for a few moments and determine that it is not an invasion but they appear to be looking for something. The head back to their speeders but are spotted. They race away with the Cloan Soldiers in pursuit. Through ariel acrobatics and tactics, they manage to get the pursuing Cloans to crash land, but not before Owen is shot down near an old farm house.

I'm doing a few things here. One, I want to start Anakin as a young man/teenager. I understood the desire to have Anakin start as a small boy, but I didn't like it. If he was too old, Luke was positively ancient. Benjamin may have a red shirt on him at this point unless i manage to handle him right. Fans of the OOT probably can guess he's doomed.

I couldn't figure out how Owen could be Luke's uncle. Owen's name is Lars, but Beru does not seem like a Skywalker, and I hated the overcomplicated family ties in the actual prequels. Basically stepbrothers, right? Instead, I thought it would be good to make owen and Anakin just real good friends. People have their children call especially close friends aunt or uncle even though there is no actual relation. I kind of like this because it gives us a reason to give a fig about Owen and Beru and makes there eventual deaths all the more tragic. At least for this first installment, we will see them actually engage in the struggle so that their decision to become simple farmers is a very real choice. They tried being amoung the movers and shakers in a galactic struggle, and decided it was not for them. But I am getting ahead of myself. Also, I made Beru Anakin's girlfriend here because it will give some potential tension when Anakin falls for the princess and Beru decides to go with owen instead. We'll see how I handle that.

A man comes out of the farm house. It turns out to be Obi Wan Kenobi, the famous Jedi Knight. He congratulates the young people on their stunt flying and check on Owen to make sure he is OK. ObiWan decides this planet is no longer safe and tells the princess that they should leave. The young people ask if they can come with them, but ObiWan refuses because it is too dangerous and that they should go home and he watches them speed away.

Obiwan, his apprentice and the princess secret away to a space port In the hopes of meeting a contact for safe passage to a new hiding place. The princess is accousted by roughians. obiwas and his apprentice defend her and are helped by the youths who has followed them. ObiWan relutantly agrees to let them come along.

The escape and are contacted by Bail Organa who asks them to return to Alderan to help with the battle against the Cloans. The return and ensuing fighting occurs involving the Cloan battle plattform, which is a space station that is in synchronous orbit around the planet because it has a long elevator that leads from the planet surface all the way to the platform in space.

During the ensuing action:

* Anakin and Amidala start a romantic interlude
* Beru and Owen also kindle a romantic spark
* Benjamin dies in ObiWan's arms, giving him a guilty concious about bringing the kids along
* Anakin's skills and force potential becomes apparent to ObiWan
* The platform is destroyed, the Cloans are defeated, Alderan is saved. Yay!

At the end, Obi Wan invites Anakin to train under him to be a Jedi Knight, even though having more than one apprentice at the same time is unheard of for the Jedi. He accepts. Owen decides that this is not the life for him and will return home. He asks Anakin to come with him, but Anakin says he is staying. There is a tearful separation between Beru and Anakin that is similar to the ending of Casablanca but she eventually gets on the transport. Obiwan, Quigon, Anakin holding hands with Amidala watch it depart.

Fade out.

A lot of this is pretty sketchy right now. I think the prioncess needs some kind of mcGuffin to give the Cloans a reason to seek her out. I mean, they took over her planet. Why do they need her? Beats me. It's in the script.

Naturally, we'd be seeing all kinds of ass-kicking on the part of the priciples, including Bail Organa. Fleshing out his character and the planet Alderan will help make its destruction all the more potent.

There are two things I want to try to avoid in these prequels that the actual prequels did:

1) outdoing the OOT. A big land and space battle was how the OOT closed, so what's that doing in TPM? Double Light saber? R2D2 flying? WTF? The Star Wars series always built with each episode trying to outdo the previous episode in some way. But these movies are supposed to come before those movies, so they shouldn't outdo them. It is a difficult task to make these movies work well as the first three episodes of a series while being interesting to today's audiences.

2) no friggin' cameos!. i didn't like how R2D2, C3PO, Greedo, Chewbacca and probably others were just kind of dropped into the movies. it felt cheep, like "Oh look, there's so-and-so from the OOT" I hate that. Actors appearing is OK, like Warwick Davis. I also don't mind 98 Degrees, to be frank. It's not like they'd be singing. But characters should be there if they matter, and for most of these folks, they don't.
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#211261
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T'bone's interesting take on the OOT DVD's
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211261/action/topic#211261
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Originally posted by: zombie84

Because he genuinely loves the SE and hates the OT.


I don't think so. Not necessarily. How could he prefer the shoddy workmanship on some of the additions in the SE? Fact is, he doesn't. Hence why they were further changed in the DVD release.

Personally, I would imagine that it was a combination of things that led to this. Such as, all artists tend to think about how they would improve some past work. Like John Williams said, a work of art is never finished, only abandoned. Up until the time of his death, John Lennon had been toying with the idea of re-recording the entire Beatles catalog to do those songs 'right', whatever that may mean.

All artists do this, some more than others depending on the artist and the work in question, but often this alone is not enough to move them into action, especially if the work is successful enough as is. Only an idiot fools around with success. You risk ruining it. But something pushes. For less sucessful films, alternate versions billed as "directors cuts" can give some artists a chance to toy with the film a bit in the hopes of finding greater success.

I Lucas's case, it seems like his ex-wife is a deciding factor. Not the only factor, mind you, but a deciding one. I would imagine a special edition with restored scenes was planned since Willow tanked, perhaps for a 20th or 30th anniversary thing. Something like that. But stuff like making the originals unavailable and things of that nature, these things do not make sense unless lucas is crazy. Which, if the whole marcia thing is true, may be the cause of that.
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#211252
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T'bone's interesting take on the OOT DVD's
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/211252/action/topic#211252
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Originally posted by: MrVess
"I'll let you in on a little secret. I actually knew about this a good week or two before the announcement was made".

Oh, yes, that is so very true.

And yeah, of course Lucas is reediting Star Wars because he's angry at his wife! It's so obvious! Oh dear. Online, I've read much insane babble related to Star Wars, but this... I doubt even Supershadow ever came close to something like that.


You don't know about this T'Bone guy, do you. He apparently has sources inside ILM. You can choose to believe it or not, but sarcasm is not very useful.
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#210770
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/210770/action/topic#210770
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Originally posted by: Ripplin
Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Anamorphic or not, I don't feel it is as big as a deal for me as making sure that Luke's line of "You're lucky you don't taste very good" is still intact.

That one always bugged me a lot. Did they think it was politically incorrect or something that they changed it to such a bland, generic line? Seriously, there must be a reason...


My theory is that the don't taste very good line was looped in after the fact. The line in the SE was the line said on the set and in the process of cleaning up the negative, a print without the looped line was used and they were too busy making that god-awful wampa scene to notice they goofed.
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#210665
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Well, here the thing about the SE changes: I was raised some weird kind of christian thing. I forget what it's called. International churches of christ, I think. That's not overly important as I don't practice anymore. Anyhoo, a friends girlfriend turned out to be wiccan and was worried I might have a problem with that due to the christian thing. I laughed and said I had a bigger problem with her boyfriend's catholicism. See, the closer it is, the worse the differences are.

Personally, a lot of the chages to the SE just go right by me. They are minor effects enhancements and I really don't notice them. Others, however, are terrible for a variety of reasons depending on the given scene. So I reasoned that i could pick and choose which effect i liked and which I didn't, but decided that was a fool's errand and it was better to not care for any of the changes and stick with the originals.

Truth be told, Star Wars is unprecidented in this regard. Sure, alternate versions of films have been around for a while, but that would usually be movies that didn't fair overly well in the first place, like, say, Blade Runner. There are at least three versions of this thing, the original theatrical release, the video release, and the director's cut. This is, alternate versions are often used as a marketing tool for films that didn't do well or find an audience, hence why you'll find few who know or care about the alternate cuts of Blade Runner. Star Wars on the other hand was immensely popular so any additions or alterations needed to be handled with extreme care. Several of them were not. They look like some guy with a Mac and video editing software added those things. And like how one small fly can ruin an entire bowl of soup, these changes ruin the entire trilogy... at least for those who dislike them at any rate. Somehow I think that if Lucasfilm had done a better job on the additions in the SE, there would be no conflict. Or much less, anyway.
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ITS HAPPENED-- OOT AVAILABLE FROM LUCASFILM
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I admit the Return of the Jedi picture looks a bit empty. I could have sworn there was more to its poster inspiration than that!


I was going over the various star wars posters recently and, yes, the Jedi poster does seem more than a tad bit empty. I wish they had recreated the Gone with the Wind poster. I prefered the look of that one.