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#218384
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Judging by ESB & ROTJ original box office gross, here is why Lucas started to change
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Well, I'll tell you. I'm pretty sure I liked Star Wars and ESB about the same. I would have been...ten or so when ESB came out. I liked them both the same. I had not yet learned that you could ignore certain films in a series at that time. When ROTJ came along, I love it as well. As far as I was concerned, it was up there with the other two, but it felt... I don't know. Off. Probably the worst part, the part that stands out in my 23 year old memory is the scene with Obi Wan and Leia being luke's sister is revealed. How it came out felt... unnatural. I'm not sure how to put it. It was kind of "well, there it is." It felt weaker because of this, which was throughout the movie, just especially bad in that scene. Also, ROTJ showed us little that was new. We had seen Tatooine. We'd seen AT-AT's (or AT-ST's). We'd seen furry creatures, light sabre battles and a climatic battle to destroy the death star. It was more of the same instead of showing us something new, the way ESB did. There were some original items in ROTJ, but not as much as ESB or Star Wars, for that matter. I still love the movie to pieces, but I probably wouldn't if it weren't for the first two.
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#218300
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Does George even read his own stuff?
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Well, I don't necessarily agree with that specific example, but I do have my doubts that Lucas even bothered to screen the original movies before writing the prequel scripts.

Overused case in point: Qui Gon Jin

As had been explained to me on another forum, there is a difference between instructing and training. Therefore, when the ghost of Obi Wan refered to Yoda as "the Jedi master who instructed me," everyone watching in the theatre in 1981 thought to themselves "Oh, Yoda only instructed Obi Wan. I wonder who actually trained him."

Yeah right. And my butt occasionally plays that Macarena song.

No one thought that and to show Obi Wan being trained by a Jedi other than Yoda is jarring and contridictory. Worse, it was completely unnecessary. They could have easily just been friends and comrades in arms instead of a master and apprentice in any official capacity.

Lucas was always just making stuff up as he went along, but in the 15 or so years between ROTJ and TPM, he forgot what he was in doing that.
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#217863
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Moving in from the Basher's Sanctuary (TF.n)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217863/action/topic#217863
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Originally posted by: zombie84


Yeah, I'm having to almost single-handedly mount the OOT defense there!


You know, on another forum there a group called the Prequel Special Edition Defense Force who cruise around... I don't know what the hell they do. They seem to post links to "bashing" on the prequels or the SE's. Maybe we should have an OOT Defense Force. Because the best defense is a good offense. Let's sack that quarterback
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#217783
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Moving in from the Basher's Sanctuary (TF.n)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217783/action/topic#217783
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Interesting, I haven't been able to find a reason to watch the prequels again. I just can't stand them. The weird thing is, the reason I can't stand them is the numbering. If they did not say "star wars" in the title, I could have dealt with them. If they were not numbered 1, 2, 3; I could deal with them. But as it stands, I just can't stand 'em because they are just horrible for what they do to star wars. And what they do is infiltrate every layer of it. When people talk about how Obi Wan and Anakin Skywalker met, when they talk about how Anakin became Darth Vader, when they mention when R2D2 met frickin' C3PO, they are referring to scenes in these crappy movies and the crappy way all of the above and others were handled. I hate it. I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate h8 hate hait hate hate hate hate it.
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#217053
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Nintendo Wii
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/217053/action/topic#217053
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
What is the difference between the date that it is shipped, and the day it is sold? I refuse to belive the Wii consoles would be on the back of the stores for two months!


I don't know about 2 months, but I used to work at Best Buy and they get stuff in at least 2 weeks before their "street date" as it's called. Companies are *very* serious about these street dates. Selling one before then could get them in real trouble, like not geting stock until the day of, or two days late. I don't know what they do, but stores follow this street date thing. I don't recall anything being stored for more than 2 weeks before street date, but then we didn't have that much space for that kind of thing. More than likely, for a chain like Best Buy it would go to the warehouse for those two months and then get distributed to the stores a week or two prior.
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#216727
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Alternate Endings For The Trilogy....
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216727/action/topic#216727
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INT. Cloud City, That weird weather vane thing.

Darth Vader: Obi Wan Never told you what happened to your father.

Luke Skywalker: He told me enough. (swings around into another position) He told me you killed him.

Darth Vader: No. I am your father.

Luke Skywalker: No.

Darth Vader: Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

Luke Skywalker: No. (begins crying)

Darth Vader: Join me and we can end this destructive conflict and rule the galaxy as father and son.

Luke Skywaker: I know it's just that (sobs)

Darth Vader: What?

Luke Skywalker: It's just that we never spent any quality time together.

Darth Vader: (pauses) Quality (beat) time?

Cut to: montage of Luke and Vader spending quality time.

(They are in the back yard playing catch.)

(They go to a sports event. Vader force chokes the hot dog vender. Luke chuckles and shakes his head.)

(They go fishing. Vader is wearing a fishing hat with all the lures on it like Henry Blake wore in those M*A*S*H episodes)

(They get ice cream cones. Luke ice cream falls off his cone. Luke is sad. Vader gives him his cone.)

Cut to: int. Luke's bedroom.

Luke Skywalker: I had fun today, dad.

Darth Vader: I did too, son.

Luke Skywalker: I love you, Dad

Darth Vader: I love you, too. Good night.

(Vader kisses Luke on the forehead. He tucks him into his bed with the Star Wars sheets and blankets. He turns out the light and goes to the door. Bright light from the hallway contrasts with the dark bedroom. The stands in the doorway looking at Luke slowly closing the door. )

Darth Vader: (Just before the door completely shuts) Turn to the Dark Side. (closes the door)
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#216466
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Try to take it easy with the Lucas bashing.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216466/action/topic#216466
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Originally posted by: Grand_Moff_Jawa
First post!

When someone reaches the financial status of George Lucas, the people who work under them tend to hide their true opinions about their work. They all become "yes-men" in a way. Some of the ideas for the PT were truly questionable, but nobody spoke up. I will give George Lucas credit for following his vision, wherever it leads him, but he needs to realize that not everyone will understand or appreciate that vision.


I am reminded of the An Evening With Kevin Smith DVD which is a bunch of Q&A appearances by Mr. Smith at various universities around the country. In one segment, he talked about his involvement with a documentary he did with Prince. You know the Purple Rain guy. And how far gone the purple one has become. one of Prince's assitants explained it that Prince has been living in Princeworld for some time now and he doesn't understand things the way you and I do. Such as (paraphrasing):

Prince will come to us and say "I need a camel."

And we will say, "Prince, it's 3 AM in Minnesota in January, and you need a camel. This is not physically nor psychologically possible."

Basically, he's been surrounded by people who have fullfilled his every whim for so long that he does not realize just how stupid it is to ask for things like a camel in Minnesota at 3 AM in January and then to expect this request to be fullfilled immediately.

Michael Jackson is similarly gone into Michaelworld as was seen in that interview show a few years ago now.

Compared to these guys, Lucas is very down to Earth
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#216131
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Odd Batman device (1989 film)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/216131/action/topic#216131
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Caltrop? Are those those little things you throw on the ground hoping the guy chasing you steps on it and pierces his foot or something?

It occurs approx 1:46:20 into the film, according to my counter. Batman enters the bell tower, hot on the heels of the Joker. He hears the Joker's voice mocking him and then a flunky, the martial arts, Asian flunky does several flips toward Batman and then launches himself feet first at the caped crusader, knive springing out of his boots. batman calmly stands there and then raises his hand and then the padding on the surface of his palm springs forward on a metal arm below his wrist, adding a foot or two to the length of his arm, hitting the bad guy squarely in the nuts and he drops to the ground.

This device has been puzzling me since 1989 because it does not seem to have any purpose to it unless Battyman actually had the following train of thought:

"You know, if an Asian, martial arts flunky ever leaped at me feet first with knives on his boots, I'd be done for! Wait! I know! I'll put a device on my glove that causes the plam of my glove with the weird pebbly surface to extend out about two feet on a metal rod just under my wrist. then I could just hold up my arm between the fellow's legs and his own momentum will carry him into the device and crush his testical like an elephant on a Timex watch! Gad! How do I do it! Alfred, we shall need some materials from Builder's Square!"

I suppose technically, there is no answer to this question as it was just Burton, who doesn't really care about comic book heroes, added a real IITS moment, but it still bothers me like a cancre sore that just won't heal.
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#215833
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Help: looking for... Fan prequels?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/215833/action/topic#215833
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I see a lot of ideas here, a lot of good ideas.

I am reminded of of Michaelangelo's David, or better yet Pietà. (I like that statue. David is just some dude with his junk hanging out) Image I handed you a chunk of marble and asked you to tell me what was wrong with it. Chances are you would not know much about marble, but let's assume you know a thing or two about it and reply that you can't find anything wrong with it, that it appears to be a piece of high-quality marble. And then I tell you that this chunk of marble came from the Pietà. This piece of fine quality italian marble had be cut off and discarded because to leave it would not be good for the work as a whole.
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#215121
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What Movie/TV Show is this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/215121/action/topic#215121
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Ah, good old Krull. One of the better Star Wars rip-offs, but not by much. Interestingly, the original working title was Dungeons & Dragons, which later became Dungeons of Krull, Dragons of Krull, Krull: Invaders of the Black Fortress, and then eventually just Krull. On a personal note, I first saw Krull about five years after it came out when we inherieted a bunch of video tapes with stuff recorded on them. Whoever we got it from must've taped it off HBO or something like that. However, the begining was taped over by,... whatever was before it. So I started seeing the movie from when Obi Wan (or whoever that old guy was) was patching up the prince guy after the big battle where his father was killed and his bride was kidnapped. Which means I missed a bunch of set-up stuff, most importantly the wedding scene where the magical fire or whatever was part of the ritual. ***SPOILERS AFTER THIS*** This means that at the end of the movie when they recite the marriage ritual again and she goes "take the fire from my hand" it was like coming from out of nowhere. Almost like how early Superman would develop convenient powers when he needed them***END SPOILERS*** In the end it's not a horrible movie, but it is rather contrived, like how the Dark Crystal was contrived. the plot moved along with what seemed to be a purpose of showing this or that neat effect vs. feeling real and true in the story. You know, unlike Star Wars. It has some IITS moments is what I mean.