imperialscum

It is a matter of an opinion. In my opinion, it simply does not fit his character. As I pointed out in that discussion, Vader never looses his temper before, even when he has obvious reasons to be pissed off. Instead he reacts calmly and simply executes people (many times he accompanies it with witty remarks). That’s all I am going to say.

Edit: Sorry, I couldn’t help myself, but maybe they should change the scene when Luke jumps. Instead of Vader calmly dropping his arm, they should add “NOOOOOO!” to signify his anger…

Alderaan said:

Vader was fine in Jedi. His change started at the end of Empire Strikes Back. His final shot, on the bridge of the Executor, when the Falcon escapes. His son escapes, and he stares longingly after him into the depths of space. He starts to turn, but then looks back, one more time, as in disbelief. When he walks off the bridge, the officers, particularly Piett, are fearful for their lives. And yet, he just quietly walks off the bridge.

No, Vader’s moment of vulnerability was just quietly walking off the bridge, back to the camera. Off to console himself with his own emotions and thoughts in some private chamber somewhere else on the ship.

Well sorry to go a bit off-topic but I have relate this to “Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival.” thread in Theatrical Cuts vs. Special Editions section. That is the exact reason why I hate “BRING MY SHUTTLE!” line. It does not fit at all.

Back on topic, I think Vader is one of the high points of ROTJ.

TavorX said:

generalfrevious said:

the whole redemption of Vader was out of character all along.

This raised an eyebrow from me. I’ve never heard that complaint.
Is it related to how in ESB, Vader was bent on having Luke at his side to overthrow the Emperor, while in Jedi, Vader decides to act as the Emperor’s pet most of the time?

Or in other words, Vader went from going, “I NEED Luke by my side!” vs “Luke NEEDS to serve the Emperor!”

I’m probably off the mark here, but I never put much thought into how Vader might be out of character in Jedi.

To be honest, I stopped taking generalfrevious seriously sometime ago.

While Vader was a very likeable “badass” character in ANH and ESB, it was kinda one dimensional. ROTJ gave Vader a lot of depth in terms of character. It actually becomes interesting to wonder what is going in his head, unlike in ANH and ESB where it is just a matter of who is he going to kill next. While people usually only praise Luke’s and Emperor’s character development in ROTJ, I think Vader’s character gained substantially with ROTJ.

I usually call it “Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope”.

Nanner Split said:

also LOL at all the nerds stumbling over the one GIRL that happened upon these forums once
mods rename this thread “Unicorn Spotted”

Come on player, cut us nerds some slack.

doubleofive said:

24.     Raging Bull
23.     The Maltese Falcon
8.     On the Waterfront
2.     Casablanca
1.     Citizen Kane

This. And I would add Sunset Boulevard to that list.

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

It would be an interesting experiment for someone who has never seen the OT to watch TFA.

It would most likely ruin his Star Wars experience. I would feel guilty simply if I did not try to convince a friend to watch OT first, let alone purposely do some “interesting experiments”.

Someone is bound to drag their non fan boyfriend/girlfriend or relative to see it. You’d have to be living in a cave not to be slightly familiar with the basics of Star Wars. There’s hardly anyone who doesn’t know of Darth Vader or what a stormtrooper is.

And lest we forget, the original film dropped us into the middle of a conflict we knew little about.

Well that wasn’t really the point here. It wasn’t a matter of someone randomly dragging their friends to see it without seeing OT and unintentionally ruining their potential OT experience. You said it would be an interesting experiment to do so, which implies doing it on purpose for the sake of experiment.

And knowing Vader is a “bad guy from Star Wars” is something completely different than experiencing Vader’s character through OT at first hand. The same applies to other Star Wars basics.

SilverWook said:

It would be an interesting experiment for someone who has never seen the OT to watch TFA.

It would most likely ruin his Star Wars experience. I would feel guilty simply if I did not try to convince a friend to watch OT first, let alone purposely do some “interesting experiments”.

Incognito Tito said:

Next question should I watch the despecilized editions of the originals? Or can I just watch the originals as they are on DVD?

Well this a bit more complicated. 😃 I would assume most people here would suggest you to make an effort to get despecialised editions.

As you may know, there are several special editions: 1997 version, 2004 DVD version and 2011 Blu-Ray version. I actually prefer 1997 special edition to theatrical (original) release. Unfortunately 1997 SE is stuck in a very bad quality format therefore I wouldn’t recommend anyone trying to watch them in that quality.

While there are some changes in 2004 DVD edition that are annoying (to me), it is the best option I have at this movement. 2011 Blu-Ray version adds several extremely annoying changes that make it unwatchable for me. So if you decide to just go with special editions, I guess 2004 DVD version would be okay.

Incognito Tito said:

So watch them 4,5,6,1,2,3 is what your saying? Because arent the originals 4,5,6?

Yes, that is correct. Originals are 4,5,6.

I suggest to watch it in order of release. Ep5 and ep6 so nicely flow from one to another that it is would be a “crime” to put prequels in-between.

Well as everyone else suggested, whatever you do make sure you watch original trilogy first.

PsychoDayv said:

NO SPOILERS

IT WAS AWESOME!!!

I expected it to be a shit. Now you spoiled it for me…

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’m still in love with my unrequited high school love. How fucking pathetic is that?

Polar bear.

Favourite bear

“Original colours” just cannot be determined, even directly from the film stock used in cameras on the sets (if they even exist) as the medium is time-variant, let alone from any kind of copies.

What is the point of these birds anyway?

They are hot and all but they just don’t do it for me… they don’t clean for me, they don’t cook for me, etc.

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TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

Possessed said:

That’s quite forward of you.

I agree! DE should learn some manners.

I’m shocked you know that word. You must have found it in your word-a-day calendar.

What word?

Possessed said:

That’s quite forward of you.

I agree! DE should learn some manners.

About Han exploiting situation to probe Leia’s emotions for him… I simply meant that he used the fact that he had to go pay Jabba (no, he didn’t make it up), to see how she will react to the possibility that he might not return.

Anyway arguing over interpretations is pointless. The fact is that ESB script does not (explicitly) explain/explore Han’s decision at the end of ANH.

As for ROTJ in terms of Han and Leia, when it comes to a romance in general the most interesting aspect is everything before the love is professed. After the love is professed the entire thing becomes boring from a dramatic/character point of view. ROTJ was left with very little to work with after ESB. It tried to make a little complication with the Luke but the main potential was already used in ESB.

Possessed said:

I probably won’t see it until the bluray comes out. Theaters make me claustrophobic.

I actually hate the theatres. First, the visual aspect is really bad. Projection just ruins the colours and picture. Going from my 4K LED PC display to a projector is like going from driving a Ferrari to riding a horse. Secondly, I don’t like people around me eating, drinking, laughing, screaming and talking.

Yes, I am sort of spoiled.

Possessed said:

Why do you need to see a picture of a member who hasn’t posted in 5 years?

For obvious reason. I am a scientist and I would like to empirically confirm or reject the hypothesis raised by her user name.