What I also liked in TFA is the attention they paid on some details. For example they used the ANH stormtrooper rank shoulder pads (white seemingly being sergeant and red lieutenant).
Couple of random thoughts/musings:
- Is Princess Leia the new Jar Jar Binks? Her acting was so wooden. There was nothing behind her aged face that reminded me of Princess Leia. When I saw Han Solo bound thru the door of the Falcon the first time, he seemed very much like Han Solo. I didnt see Princess Leai in this film at all. Fisher might as well have been playing a different character. Will Leia become a drag on each film gong forward?
I’m having trouble connecting this part to the rest of your point. Is everything we don’t like in Star Wars automatically the new Jar Jar Binks? Jar Jar sucks because he’s racist and shrill. That comparison should mean something more specific than “not good”.
Allow me to draw the connection. Jar Jar was useless and was there to attract kids. Leia is useless and is here to attract (some of) OT fans.
I knew she would suck if she appeared again and I said so back when she was confirmed for the role. A lot of people here were “flaming” me back then for that.
Now that I have complained about Craggy Island, I have to really compliment the film about on-board stardestroyer scenes. The dimmed blushing lighting… great feel, perfect. My favourite part of the film.
So um, what is ‘un-Star Wars’ to you in ANH, imperialscum?
Well the term “un-Star Wars” is not really good to describe what I actually meant. What I was describing was sets/scenes that suck you out of the universe that the film is trying to immerse you in. Of course it goes without saying that this is subjective, as everything else when it comes to film.
An example in ANH would probably be the original shot of Ben’s house. That is why I love its SE replacement.
No, because you eat a cake. Last I knew, I didn’t have to taste or lick the icing off of a movie.
It is just a matter of sensory unit (taste vs vision)… little does it matter when the information is in the brain. The principle is the same.
If it’s an entire set/world/location, it should, as it’s the establishing film. So yes it should still feel like star wars even with it’s faults.
Would you be able to stand by this claim if it come to eating the above-mentioned cake?
This thread is the tiny part of feces in the ot.com forum cake.
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Why is it less a Star Wars locale than Tunisia, Quatemala, or a glacier in Norway?
Well what can I say… it just is. Feel is a feel… if I could derive you a formula for a feeling I would but I cannot. I guess it takes a talent to pick the right stuff. When Lucas was in change he and his team seemed to always be able to do it right.
Not that ruling out that Irish island in a shitty weather require any talent. It is a common sense. In the last scene I felt like I was on Craggy Island with Father Ted.
If they used an Irish island in 1977 and Tunisia in 2015, I guarantee you would have said it was Tunisia that didn’t feel like Star Wars.
You cannot guarantee that. I still dislike (feel-wise) a few of the original scenes from ANH for the very same reason.
…ANH doesn’t feel like star wars?
Well if you make a nice cake and you put a little piece of feces inside a tiny part of the cake, that tiny part will most certainly not feel like the overall cake.
Well that’s not really the point, everything ANH should feel like star wars, it IS star wars.
Everything in that cake is the cake, but will that certain tiny part feel like the rest of the cake?
Why is it less a Star Wars locale than Tunisia, Quatemala, or a glacier in Norway?
Well what can I say… it just is. Feel is a feel… if I could derive you a formula for a feeling I would but I cannot. I guess it takes a talent to pick the right stuff. When Lucas was in change he and his team seemed to always be able to do it right.
Not that ruling out that Irish island in a shitty weather require any talent. It is a common sense. In the last scene I felt like I was on Craggy Island with Father Ted.
If they used an Irish island in 1977 and Tunisia in 2015, I guarantee you would have said it was Tunisia that didn’t feel like Star Wars.
You cannot guarantee that. I still dislike (feel-wise) a few of the original scenes from ANH for the very same reason.
…ANH doesn’t feel like star wars?
Well if you make a nice cake and you put a little piece of feces inside a tiny part of the cake, that tiny part will most certainly not feel like the overall cake.
Why is it less a Star Wars locale than Tunisia, Quatemala, or a glacier in Norway?
Well what can I say… it just is. Feel is a feel… if I could derive you a formula for a feeling I would but I cannot. I guess it takes a talent to pick the right stuff. When Lucas was in change he and his team seemed to always be able to do it right.
Not that ruling out that Irish island in a shitty weather require any talent. It is a common sense. In the last scene I felt like I was on Craggy Island with Father Ted.
If they used an Irish island in 1977 and Tunisia in 2015, I guarantee you would have said it was Tunisia that didn’t feel like Star Wars.
You cannot guarantee that. I still dislike (feel-wise) a few of the original scenes from ANH for the very same reason.
What’s this bunny thing even mean?
Haa! Nice bait! 😉
Why is it less a Star Wars locale than Tunisia, Quatemala, or a glacier in Norway?
Well what can I say… it just is. Feel is a feel… if I could derive you a formula for a feeling I would but I cannot. I guess it takes a talent to pick the right stuff. When Lucas was in change he and his team seemed to always be able to do it right.
Not that ruling out that Irish island in a shitty weather require any talent. It is a common sense. In the last scene I felt like I was on Craggy Island with Father Ted.
At least it’s a real place, not a green screen set. 😉
Complain if the whole set is CGI, complain if it’s real. No win scenario.
I have never complained about CGI. I stated a few times that CGI can easily be better than real set in some cases.
I still admire Lucas as filmmaker and artist (despite his recent stuff with OT releases). He is/was a true visionary. Basically he came up with something completely new for each of his film (THX, American Graffiti, OT and PT). Many other filmmakers basically just scavenge around for existing stuff (good made-up screenplays/stories or interesting real-life stories) to make their films on. Martin Scorsese is a prime example of that.
As good a film as Star Wars is … and its very very good … the only filmmaking aspect that stands up well to the quality of Empire is the editing, in my opinion.
While ESB has overall very solid acting, I would say the best acting in ANH (Guinness and Cushing) is easily way above any perforce in ESB. In my opinion of course.
Takodana and especially Irish island with shitty weather. It just doesn’t feel like Star Wars.
ANH 10
ESB 10
ROTJ 10
TPM 6
AOTC 5
ROTS 6
TFA 5
Very enjoyable but kinda soulless.
I must admit that while PT being annoying, it has more soul.
WRONG AMERICA!!!
Ahhh, you meant South America.
If I lived in Canada, I’d move to America.
You wouldn’t need to move at all.
I think I’m okay with Jedi now.
I hope you finally got the point here. If you like something, why the hell would you care about anything else.
But still, it won’t be critically rehabilitated in the near future
What does this suppose to mean? If you refer to a “score” from a few so-called “film critics”, or in other words incompetent idiots who try to present their opinion of an art as something objective, I don’t think there is any reason to care about that. ROTJ is already very well regarded by the general audience. For example… IMDb is, due to a huge number of votes, a very good estimation of general opinion and ROTJ is ranked among top 100 films of all time.
and we still won’t have a SW film like Empire.
Of course we won’t have another SW film like Empire… unless they make a re-make. But the same applies for any other SW film because each is unique.
generalfrevious said:
I want to actually know what distinguishes ROTJ from the later prequel films in comprehensive detail and not be casually dismissed every time I post something here.To begin with, the title is different. To conclude, everything else is different.
That’s too vague. I need a lot more detail
This is a film. You have to realise that everything is completely up to one’s opinion. I can only give you my opinion as to why ROTJ is great: Luke’s character development is great, Vader’s character development is the best in the trilogy, Emperor is as perfect as he could be, space battle of Endor is one of the best miniature-model based SFX in film history, Jabba’s palace is very interesting, and so on…
now that we have known for years that the Kurtz version would have been the greatest thing ever.
Could you please stop with this Kurtz already. He was a producer who had very little to do with creative aspects. He was fired in the middle of ESB because he let the film go twice over-budget and over-schedule. In the recent years, he basically just tried to ride on the fans’ distaste towards Lucas to try to make himself look good.
And if you refer to this: “The discussed ending of the film that Kurtz favored presented the rebel forces in tatters, Leia grappling with her new duties as queen and Luke walking off alone “like Clint Eastwood in the spaghetti westerns,” as Kurtz put it.”… this is the stupidest version possible, which could have even been Lucas’ idea in the first place.
Vader was definitely angry when he killed Ozzel. You can hear it in his voice when he said:
“You have failed me for the last time…”
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.
I’m not sure where you’re getting this idea that someone so proficient in the dark side was calm and angerless.
From the films.
generalfrevious said:
I want to actually know what distinguishes ROTJ from the later prequel films in comprehensive detail and not be casually dismissed every time I post something here.
To begin with, the title is different. To conclude, everything else is different.
imperialscum said:
it simply does not fit his character. As I pointed out in that discussion, Vader never looses his temper beforeYou must have forgot the very first scene in Star Wars.
Plus the time he killed Admiral Ozzel.
When he killed Ozzel it wasn’t anger at all. It was a witty remark delivered with a calm voice.
As I already said in the previous discussion, “Tear the ship apart…” is the only instance in the span of entire trilogy where Vader raised his voice. So there this one instance versus so many in which he acts extremely calmly. Trying to prove the rule by a single exception is extremely unreasonable, especially in light of overwhelming opposite evidence.
So it is much more reasonable to try to explain the outlier (single exception). It could simply be that he raised the voice as he wanted to be heard by his soldiers across the ship.
I actually like both lines, I could take either of them. Not one of the changes that really bothered me in the SE’s.
Well I don’t particularly like “Alert my stardestroyer…” either. It is just less out of place.
I would prefer no line at all. A complete silence.