imperialscum

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

The two lightsabre duels at the end were just stupid. They were there just for the sake of film having a lightsabre duel. And if they really had to make it like this, at least the dark side guy should kick both of their asses. And please spare your time, I really don’t want to hear dumb arguments such as: “but she practised with pole stick” or “he practised with stun baton”.

Kylo Ren suffered a wound to the chest by Chewi’s bowcaster. He simply shrugged it off and fought anyway. Also he whipped Finn’s ass. Rey was the only one who gave him trouble and that was only when she tapped into The Force.

Wound or not, he was dealing with a complete rookie when it comes to force and lightsabre. Let’s not forget she somehow managed to beat him when they both pulled the lightsabre with force. If it wasn’t stupid, he would easily pull the lightsabre to him and we wouldn’t have this ridiculous duel in the first place.

Tobar said:

This entire thread is ridiculous.

Yes. We are waiting for Frink to proclaim this thread as the worst.

The two lightsabre duels at the end were just stupid. They were there just for the sake of film having a lightsabre duel. And if they really had to make it like this, at least the dark side guy should kick both of their asses. And please spare your time, I really don’t want to hear dumb arguments such as: “but she practised with pole stick” or “he practised with stun baton”.

Lord Haseo said:

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

1. They weren’t necessary

You could apply this dumb argument to just about anything. You could even say that TFA wasn’t necessary.

It doesn’t move the overall plot forward thus it’s unessessary in my opinion. The only purpose it serves is to establish that Han really did revert back to his old ways

Well besides the reason you gave yourself, it is also a crucial plot point that allows Han to escape from the two gangs of criminals.

Nothing wrong with CGI.

Nothing is wrong with CG if I can’t tell it’s CG

Well at least it is far better than the collapsing planet CGI in the end.

Lord Haseo said:

1. They weren’t necessary

You could apply this dumb argument to just about anything. You could even say that TFA wasn’t necessary.

2. Obviously CG

Nothing wrong with CGI.

3. Didn’t really mold in well with the rest of the movie.

Your opinion.

Smoking Lizard said:
In TESB, we are actually afraid for Luke

I am afraid for Vader. I root for imperials.

DuracellEnergizer said:

He can start by finding me a girlfriend, preferably one with natural red hair, blue or green eyes, and no tattoos.

Why don’t you just ask your mom to do it?

Beer is for pussies. Real men drink juice.

John Doom said:

😄 It may be too late to go back, now: https://youtu.be/asvKQOJZXcs?t=44
(I hope we won’t get to see anything like this in the movies).

That game is by far the worst Star Wars material ever.

Lord Haseo said:

Mithrandir said:
It’s still the same. They are still raising the bar.

Since it’s a sequel they damn well better be raising the bar. Why should Force Lightning, Force Pushes/pulls, Force Speed, Tutaminis, enhanced speed/strength/agility due to forced based physical augmentation be the extent one can use The Force? In terms of variation to the EU the Force Abilities shown in Episodes I - VI are not even comparable. It’s time for something new.

Maybe it is time for something new, though unnecessarily… but not something stupid that degrades previous stuff.

DuracellEnergizer said:

^This. A million times THIS.

A million times? That’s a spam!

Alderaan said:

imperialscum said:

Bosk said:

People seem to forget lucas only directed ANH and the shitty prequels.

Still, he was the primary author behind the other two.

“Story by:…” and special effects are what he was good at (and darn good at). He should have stuck to those and let other people write the script, direct, etc.

His main attribute is definitely creating stuff/ideas. I think he is good screenplay writer, it is just that someone has to fix his dialogue.

Lord Haseo said:

Who is Rey?

I don’t know. Sounds like some guy’s name?

John Doom said:

Yeah… It doesn’t matter if he’ll be a better villain in Ep.VIII, I still feel there’s no actual villain in TFA, so I can’t say it’s a good movie to me, it doesn’t have what I like to see in a movie.

It also doesn’t have a clear main character, the usual complaint about TPM.

Bosk said:

People seem to forget lucas only directed ANH and the shitty prequels.

Still, he was the primary author behind the other two.

Jay said:

imperialscum said:

There is plenty of thinking material besides lasers and lightsabers and trench runs.

I like Star Wars enough to have started a web site dedicated to it and kept it running for almost 13 years.

I know and I am very grateful for that. 😃

That said, there are reasons why enjoying Star Wars — every episode, I through VII — requires one to turn off their brain a bit and “enjoy the ride”. There’s nothing wrong with that, but let’s not assign more depth than is actually there in order to build the films up. They’re not thinking films, and that’s fine.

I believe all that is a matter of an opinion. Maybe some people prefer to put more thought into scientific/technical aspects rather than into philosophical/social aspects. Why would the later be superior to former? Not that Star Wars is lacking on either anyway, in my opinion.

imperialscum said:

There is a big difference between just holding an opinion and mocking people who don’t hold the same opinion.

General consensus on Citizen Kane is that it’s a cinema classic. For a long time now, most film fans have thought it’s something special; your opinion is clearly in the minority and doesn’t negate the general consensus.

I am aware that many people like Citizen Kane and consider it special. I have never disputed that. However, just because majority hold a certain opinion it does not make it a fact. Especially since film is essentially an art and art has no objective measure.

I didn’t mock anyone. I implied that modern moviegoers are less discerning, which I think is largely true.

You implied that based on what? Based on them not appreciating the same films you/majority do, or in other word them holding different opinion on an entirely subjective matter such as film?

DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

Jay said:
The lack of conversation about it by modern filmgoers says more about them than the movie.

I don’t like this kind of attitude. Just because you find it special, please don’t assume it is special for the fact and that there is something wrong with everyone who doesn’t find it special.

I don’t like this kind of attitude. Just because other people find it special doesn’t mean it’s not.

There is a big difference between just holding an opinion and mocking people who don’t hold the same opinion.

Jay said:
The lack of conversation about it by modern filmgoers says more about them than the movie.

I don’t like this kind of attitude. Just because you find it special, please don’t assume it is special for the fact and that there is something wrong with everyone who doesn’t find it special.

I like lasers and lightsabers and trench runs, but I also like thinking sometimes, too.

There is plenty of thinking material besides lasers and lightsabers and trench runs.

Beside TFA screening ticket, the latest thing was actually SWTOR in 2011. One of my favourite PC games ever.

ZkinandBonez said:
It’s kind of hard to geek out over something like an Orson Welles film. SW has multiple films, books, comics, games, etc. Citizen Kane is just one classical movie. Hardly forum worthy.

Bad argument. Even if there was just Star Wars (1977) we could still easily “geek out over” it. For example, Blade Runner is just a single film and it is easy to “geek out over” it. The way I see it, Citizen Kane just doesn’t have enough depth, width and appeal to provide the grounds for “geeking out over” it. It is just a boring snobbish film.

Darth Id said:

Sorry to break it to everyone here, but Citizen Kane is a boring, overwrought wreck of a film.

Citizen Kane kinda sucks yes.

TV’s Frink said:

My god man, it was a joke, not an argument. I apologize for assuming you wouldn’t need that explained. That’s what I get for trying to be polite.

Either it was a very bad argument or a very bad joke.

TV’s Frink said:
I know a pretty smart eight-year-old. Smarter than some of the “adults” on this site, that’s for sure.

Yes I realised I would offend many kids by comparing their level to such a bad argument. I was just trying to be as polite to you as possible.

To me all Han-Leia interactions in the film seemed awkward, wooden and forced.

TV’s Frink said:

She wasn’t great but she didn’t suck. She wasn’t given much to do, and I thought her discussion with Han about Ben was pretty good stuff.

Well she wasn’t given much and wasn’t able to ruin much.

TV’s Frink said:

I also don’t remember her stepping in shit.

This “argument” is on a 10 years old level (or less).