imperialscum

TFA

Happy birthday Roy Batty!

TV’s Frink said:

Female lead to carry the movie

There is no real lead. Finn has just as much weight I would say. It is a similar mess as TPM.

TV’s Frink said:

darklordoftech said:

we don’t get a chance to see the environments, etc.

Ha, I didn’t even catch this. Now is when someone complains that we see too many environments, like the Maz world or the Luke world.

I complain earlier about those two (especially Luke’s place) being bad. Yes, if it is a bad/unfitting environment then it shouldn’t be in the film at all.

Frank your Majesty said:

imperialscum said:

Frank your Majesty said:

Only if this tunnel’s intention is to throw everything out that enters it. Luke is thrown out in the middle of the tunnel, so we don’t know where it leads and if the lightsaber couldn’t have gone all the way through it and not be thrown out.

Of course there is an intention to throw things out. First of all, there was a mechanism that sucked Luke sideways (I guess to prevent stuff falling into some machinery further down the big vertical shaft). Secondly, the hatch inside the small side tunnel opened when it detected Luke and threw him into another tunnel with a direct vertical opening toward the planet centre. The intention of the system is pretty obvious.

If the tunnels intention was to throw everything out, why didn’t it end at the bottom of Cloud City? Why was it necessary to have another tunnel in the wall that opens conditionally? We don’t even know what triggered the hatch to open, was it Luke’s weight or was it just bad timing (just like it was bad timing that the trash compactor starts with our heros inside)?

I assume you arent an engineer. As I said, the big main shaft could have some function in making the whole city float or stabilised in orbit. You dont want any objects to hit whatever machinery is below, hence smaller side tunnels are there to suck any garbage and divert it.

Frank your Majesty said:

Only if this tunnel’s intention is to throw everything out that enters it. Luke is thrown out in the middle of the tunnel, so we don’t know where it leads and if the lightsaber couldn’t have gone all the way through it and not be thrown out.

Of course there is an intention to throw things out. First of all, there was a mechanism that sucked Luke sideways (I guess to prevent stuff falling into some machinery further down the big vertical shaft). Secondly, the hatch inside the small side tunnel opened when it detected Luke and threw him into another tunnel with a direct vertical opening toward the planet centre. The intention of the system is pretty obvious.

CrazyH said:

Luke manages to fall off and survive… it’s really not that implausible that a lightsaber would do as well.

The side tunnel Luke is sucked in seems like it serves as a garbage disposal. He was about to be swept into the planet if he didn’t grab the antenna thing. Lightsabre would, as a normal garbage, fly into the gas giant and melt/disintegrate.

Frank your Majesty said:

And how is 1.5 billion $ in 3 weeks a “royal fuck up”?

If profit is the measure then PT was great.

TV’s Frink said:

Bosk said:

DevilWing said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

An OT “junky” who referred to Obi’s hut as a cave? Interesting.

It is never named in the film. So for a purist cave, hut or house is all the same. I actually like cave. It is kinda romantic. 😃

http://www.starwars.com/databank/obi-wan-s-house

In the film…

Regardless of whether or not it’s named within the film, in both the OUT and the SE it’s clearly an artificial structure, not a cave.

Ffs the cave comment was beacuse the inside resembles a cave, not because he lives in one.

Your logic in this thread resembles logic in your head, not because it is logic to anyone else.

No Frink sorry, it’s just you.

Bosk said:

The fundamental flaw with tfa is that it was rushed. From the moment Disney purchased I bet the pressure was on to get a film out ASAP and it shows.

I don’t think that was the main cause. I think they had to make something that would work for sure since it was their first product. The played it safe, went with proven concepts and rehashed stuff from OT. Actually, I expect more from stand-alone films since they will be able to experiment more. We will see.

SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

An OT “junky” who referred to Obi’s hut as a cave? Interesting.

It is never named in the film. So for a purist cave, hut or house is all the same. I actually like cave. It is kinda romantic. 😃

http://www.starwars.com/databank/obi-wan-s-house

In the film…

DuracellEnergizer said:

Can’t we all just get a foot long?

Please use metric system.

SAT what? We don’t seem to have that in civilised world.

TV’s Frink said:

imperialscum said:

TV’s Frink said:

An OT “junky” who referred to Obi’s hut as a cave? Interesting.

It is never named in the film. So for a purist cave, hut or house is all the same. I actually like cave. It is kinda romantic. 😃

Well then I’ll just start calling Star Destroyers “caves” because that’s equally stupid, named or not.

By all means, go ahead. Though it will not be as romantic.

TV’s Frink said:

An OT “junky” who referred to Obi’s hut as a cave? Interesting.

It is never named in the film. So for a purist cave, hut or house is all the same. I actually like cave. It is kinda romantic. 😃

Bosk said:

SpilkaBilka said:

Alderaan said:
You guys seriously underestimate how good the original Star Wars script is, how carefully thought out it was, and how well it was executed on screen. The Force Awakens script does not even compare.

+1.

+2

+3

Ok…

Well the answer is simple. They rehashed much of the stuff from OT in attempt to play on nostalgia note.

It is funny seeing people like Bingo and Frink, who criticise ROTJ for minor stuff, firecely defending all the major stupid stuff in TFA.

TV’s Frink said:

This failed to address the point in what you quoted.

I did address it by explaining that his point is a very bad one. If they actually intended to establish a weak villain with the duels, then the duels were not only utterly useless, but were even damaging to the story/characters.

Lord Haseo said:

Post Praetorian said:

imperialscum said:

The two lightsabre duels at the end were just stupid. They were there just for the sake of film having a lightsabre duel. And if they really had to make it like this, at least the dark side guy should kick both of their asses. And please spare your time, I really don’t want to hear dumb arguments such as: “but she practised with pole stick” or “he practised with stun baton”.

Ren was a poor villain

I wouldn’t go far but I’m sure the point of the scene is to show that Kylo isn’t as powerful as his walk makes him out to be.

Rey was simply lucky?

Pretty much just like Luke blowing up the Death Star. Both things were pretty much impossible but they both happened because it needed to be established that our main characters are uber special.

That is pretty much the opposite as it should be. Establishing a weak villain is a bullet in a knee for a film. If he kicked their asses and “sent” them back home training, it would at least add some motive to the story/characters.

TV’s Frink said:

The lightsaber fight is the culmination of her Act I journey, not some trivial little minor bit of nonsense.

“The culmination”? Oh dear…

I think at this point it is better if we agree to disagree.

TV’s Frink said:

I guess Rey’s journey means nothing to you.

If you take this type argument seriously then you could apply it to every little stupidity and nonsense as surely it is part of some “character’s journey”.

I seriously can understand not liking TFA. But putting it equal or below the PT is silly.

I generally like TFA and found it enjoyable… however some aspects are worse than PT. That much I have to be honest.

Smoking Lizard said:
most fans, I think, see TFA being a step up from the PT, whereas I see it as being just as bad.

In some aspects it is worse than PT. The only thing that saves it is that it is actually fun (no annoying whiny main character).

For example, the two duels at the end are utterly pointless (on top of being stupid). Their sole purpose is for the film to have a lightsabre duel. I wonder where are those fans now who complain about Ewoks being a marketing move. At least Ewoks serve an important part of the story.

hydrospanner said:

Ren couldn’t pull the lightsaber to himself cause it flew to Rey.

Why was it flying to her? Because she somehow managed to beat him when they were both trying to pull it. Even if she initially pulled it only by herself, he should be easily strong enough to pull it back to him while it was flying. Remember, this is the guy who stopped a blaster bolt in mid air.

Ahh why am I even trying to argue over this stupid thing.