JJ is a professional director. If someone gave either of us that much money, we’d make a shit film.
Not me.
You can shift blame around however you like, but the battle to blow up the shield generator is a failure.
Your opinion.
Direct film creative process and write story/scenes, yes. Direct actors and write dialogue, no.
There is no chance he is coming back anyway.
So far the post-ROTJ EU I like (Dark Forces series video games) does not interfere/contradict with TFA, therefore I don’t need to choose between the two yet.
Unlike the rest of the post-ROTJ EU that (similarly to TFA) mainly leached on the major character from OT, Dark Forces series took its own direction and did not mess around with major OT characters.
I still can’t help but think the film would be so much more interesting if the First Order were the resistance against the Republic and the Republic had Death Stars.
The bad guys would be preaching their message of hate from a position of weakness and the good guys would overstep their ethical and moral responsibility leading to more converts.
Hollywood could do with making that sort of film at the moment and it’s a combination we haven’t seen in a Star Wars trilogy so far.
Well I was hoping for and expecting something like that. Maybe not Republic exploiting their power, but at least “bad guys” being weaker (sort of an imperial remnant). However, as it has been pointed out so many times already, they played it safe, unoriginal and boring.
The phrase “that’s my opinion” is pretty insufficient when TFA is superior to the PT in pretty much every way. The dialogue, the characters, the pacing, the acting, the special effects, the action etc. But the most important thing is that TFA actually felt like Star Wars while the PT didn’t most of the time.
Insufficient my butt. That is your opinion and stop pretending it is anything more than that.
The ultimate nerd defense of anything is to say “it was in the script!”
Are we allowing the script defense for TFA as well?
I believe the word you are looking for is ‘defence’…
I actually typed that by accident, and my Anerican browser corrected it.
I guess your browser uses simplified English instead of traditional.
Since that big reveal moment in ESB Star Wars became a family saga and some people thought that was a mistake.
I personally think having the saga Skywalker centred isn’t that bad but Finn being Lando’s son would not only be as silly as Threepio being Luke’s brother but it would also be rather insulting to all the people of African origin who watch the films.
Well technically 3PO is Luke’s brother.
Why would it be insulting?
If Snoke was Leia, it would on one hand make he presence in ST at least meaningful as of the moement she is completely useless. On the other hand it would be stupid. I want something new. I mean then should they just make Rey Luke’s daughter, Finn Lando’s son and Poe Wedge’s son.
Can somebody please explain why The Phantom Menace is better than the other two? I’m not even being sarcastic, I just want to hear your thoughts.
Well for me, by far the most annoying thing in AOTC and ROTS is the annoying main character (i.e. Anakin portrayed by Hayden) and all the whining and annoying drama related to it. TPM doesn’t have that. Well there is Jar Jar, but he not nearly as annoying and he is only a side character.
That is so wrong. Yoda with a lightsaber.
Nice marmots, though.
I don’t think those are marmots. More like minks.
Roughly this:
1 TESB
2 ANH
3 ROTJ
4 ROTS
5-7 TPM, AOTC and TFA (in release order)Lunacy.
When was the last time you actually watched the PT? I watched them all over the past few weeks, including ROTS last night. We watched L8wrtr’s versions, so the worst of them is removed…and they’re still not good movies. I don’t have a problem if you didn’t like TFA, but equating them with the PT makes me wonder how well you remember the PT.
Will you already stop attacking people because they think TFA is shit?
Subjective shit or objective shit?
Subjective. Don’t worry, if it was objective then we would be attacking them together.
TV’s Frink said:
because a good 87% of what you post is nonsense
TV’s Frink said:
Then perhaps I didn’t understand what you were trying to get at there.
You don’t seem to understand great many things around here. I am glad it is not me. 😃
Kurtz went once most of his work was done and he had already contributed ideas that were to lead into ROTJ (albeit in a contractual obligation album realisation rather the four more sequel episodes sense that was on the cards at that point).
I disagree with that. I guess we have different information regarding this.
My response applies to that as well.
Do you think the PT is shit? Do you think the room is shit? Do you think there is a single movie, book, song, or any other creative endeavor that can be assigned objective merit or lack therof?
If it is an art then objective merit can not be assigned to its content. There are some objective measures that can be applied to art in non-content-wise way, such as profit when it comes to selling the art where you can objectively say “this film was more successfully than that” based on the profit measure. But we are talking about content here.
So if one says “this film is bad” it is naturally a shorter version of “in my opinion, this film is bad.” or “I think this film is bad”.
Lucas’ whimsy and energy (creative not physical, he barely moved the camera) worked in a team of people where he had to fight to keep his ideas and notions in the mix. Once he became the Emperor and anyone that might obstruct him was removed he had nothing to steer him on course.
Not really a valid point, since he was the “emperor” ever since ANH was finished. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since studio didn’t seem to be particularly interested in the film. Of course he couldn’t directly fire people in ANH but he could in ESB and ROTJ. The way I see it, he had more sense and was a bit more open to outside input during OT. Still, judging from screenplay meetings transcripts from ESB and ROTJ, he pretty much rejected any suggestion he did not like. Perhaps in PT his team wasn’t giving him any suggestion at all.
It is valid. Lucas sank all his cash into ESB and when it went over budget he had to go cap in hand to Fox, something he desperately wanted to avoid doing. If he didn’t make his money back and make enough to repay Fox and still make enough profit to reinvest in his other projects his success with the first film would have been flushed away. So not quite Emperor at this point.
This and he almost had a physical and mental breakdown making the first film meant he needed to surround himself with people who could help him make the second film go as smoothly as it could. Don’t get me wrong I concede he still ghost directed much of the thing, almost totally rewrote the screenplay and was still not satisfied with the film most people love to bits.
Come ROTJ he was able to call all the shots. He didn’t need any more loans from Fox and he could get rid of whom so ever he pleased.
Well he was still essentially calling all the shots in ESB. By the time he got the loan (and deal with Fox), creatively the most important part was already done with him having absolute power. Even after that he still seemed to be in complete control, considering he fired Kurtz (producer) in the middle of principal photography.
Roughly this:
1 TESB
2 ANH
3 ROTJ
4 ROTS
5-7 TPM, AOTC and TFA (in release order)Lunacy.
When was the last time you actually watched the PT? I watched them all over the past few weeks, including ROTS last night. We watched L8wrtr’s versions, so the worst of them is removed…and they’re still not good movies. I don’t have a problem if you didn’t like TFA, but equating them with the PT makes me wonder how well you remember the PT.
Will you already stop attacking people because they think TFA is shit?
The way you see things is detached from reality in almost all situations.
I hate Terminator 2 so there you go 😄
It is a shit film
You might not like it, but it absolutely and unequivocally is not a shit film.
Not liking a film and film being a shit is the same thing.
Is English not your first language? (apologies to actual ESL members who understand how the English language works, and also to those who don’t, because I’m not terribly bright and could never speak a second language so my hat is off to all of you)
Not liking a film is subjective and is valid (even when it’s crazy, it’s still valid).
A film being shit is objective. There are shades of this, and in many cases it’s debatable, but there’s no way you can argue T2 being shit. You can say you hated it, you can say it didn’t work for you, but you can’t say it’s poorly made. This is like trying to claim the PT are good movies. They aren’t. There are interesting things about them, they have some good parts, but as movies they are shit. Liking or disliking them has nothing to do with it.
See the my reply to Lord Haseo a few posts back…
Lucas’ whimsy and energy (creative not physical, he barely moved the camera) worked in a team of people where he had to fight to keep his ideas and notions in the mix. Once he became the Emperor and anyone that might obstruct him was removed he had nothing to steer him on course.
Not really a valid point, since he was the “emperor” ever since ANH was finished. Even in ANH he had mostly free hands since studio didn’t seem to be particularly interested in the film. Of course he couldn’t directly fire people in ANH but he could in ESB and ROTJ. The way I see it, he had more sense and was a bit more open to outside input during OT. Still, judging from screenplay meetings transcripts from ESB and ROTJ, he pretty much rejected any suggestion he did not like. Perhaps in PT his team wasn’t giving him any suggestion at all.
I hate Terminator 2 so there you go 😄
It is a shit film
You might not like it, but it absolutely and unequivocally is not a shit film.
Not liking a film and film being a shit is the same thing.
Saying “A film is shit” and “I think this film is shit” or “In my opinion the film is shit” are completely different statements. The former is an objective statement while the latter two are subjective.
Film is an art and therefore completely subjective in the first place. Therefore, all there examples you gave are the same. The first one just skips the obvious thing, which is that the film is subjective and only subjective measure can be given.
You’re welcome.
Again, I don’t mind well-reasoned criticism. I have agreed with some of it. I just can’t stand people who nitpick to death or didn’t even pay attention to what they were watching.
Honestly, if you weren’t planning to like the movie in the first place, don’t bother seeing it.
Well the way I see it, the thread is called “What didn’t you like about TFA?” where people state what they didn’t like. While people are generally nice enough to provide their reasoning, they don’t need to provide any reasoning behind their dislikes in the first place. The problem is that the “defenders” (like yourself) prey on people who state their dislikes and thus making petty arguments.
I hate Terminator 2 so there you go 😄
It is a shit film
You might not like it, but it absolutely and unequivocally is not a shit film.
Not liking a film and film being a shit is the same thing.
Happy birthday Roy Batty!
We have a birthday thread, y’know. 😭
I was unaware of it. I reposted it there just for you.
