True. Tarkin had to burn up on the surface of Bespin. It’s an engineering fact.
False. Haven’t you seen TFA? Apparently things can miraculously survive into ST.
It gave Rey her first step into a larger world. Sure her connection to the force could have been “ignited” by some other catalyst but it wasn’t.
Why the f did it have to be Anakin’s lightsabre specifically to do that? Some other random lightsabre would be just as good to serve the story.
Because that lightsaber has history…and if Rey is a Solo/Skywalker it’s hers by birthright
Oh dear! This is the last thing we need. If they do something as stupid as this, ST will be much worse than PT.
lack of originality
What the fuck does that even mean in this instance?
It mean exactly “lack of originality”. Why couldn’t they come up with some lightsabre from some owner not yet introduced? You know making something new? Something new? New?
Something new wasn’t warranted. Plot wise Anakin’s lightsaber makes a lot more sense than for her Force Abilities to be awakened by some Anonymous Jedi/Sith’s saber.
Don’t be ridiculous…
It gave Rey her first step into a larger world. Sure her connection to the force could have been “ignited” by some other catalyst but it wasn’t.
Why the f did it have to be Anakin’s lightsabre specifically to do that? Some other random lightsabre would be just as good to serve the story.
lack of originality
What the fuck does that even mean in this instance?
It mean exactly “lack of originality”. Why couldn’t they come up with some lightsabre from some owner not yet introduced? You know making something new? Something new? New? NEW?!?!?!
Well, Luke being thrown out seemed more like bad luck (or good luck depending on how you see it) considering he was sucked into one tube first, then fell through a hatch that shrew him outside.
We don’t know where that first tube would have taken him.
Not to mention that SW architecture is well know for not making any logical sense, and being there more for the sake of plot, aesthetic, etc. Luke simply got sucked into that shaft because if he hadn’t there’d be no ROTJ. Plot-wise it makes sense, Luke decided to sacrifice himself rather than join Vader, but as luck or faith (the Force?) would have it he survived to fight another day/movie. And him ending up on the antenna was both a way to add even more suspense, as well as a clever way to get him out of the city and in a position that was more accessible to the Falcon.
Don’t call things in ESB “illogical” and “being there for the sake of the plot” in order to justify stupidity in TFA. There is a completely logical and, from engineering perspective, feasible explanation for the particular thing in ESB (as I explained in that post). If anything, it is Anakin’s lightsabre being TFA that is “illogical” and “being there for the sake of the plot”. Admittedly “being there for the sake of the plot” is too generous anyway as it adds nothing to the plot. It just there for the sake of “playing the nostalgia card” and lack of originality.
Now, Vader’s lightsaber being retrieved from the exploded DSII would definitely need a good explanation. Doesn’t it fall down the ractor shaft when Luke cuts off Vader’s hand?
It is about the same as Luke’s lightsabre falling into gas giant.
To keep it simple, they managed to make a relatively enjoyable film.
To the one who said the editing in TFA was terrible… it’s just been nominated for an Academy Award.
Not that those awards have any value to me. Just an average opinion from a small group of people.
I don’t understand how anyone can think it is a shit film no matter the reasoning. Not liking it is something completely different and I’m fine with that.
It’s no different than the PT but in reverse. It’s fine to like them, I just don’t get how anyone can think they’re good films.
I feel ten more pages of subjective vs objctive and film theory lectures coming on…
What I cannot get is your obsessed behaviour and attachment to this film. Other people’s opinions must really hurt you. A sane person would certainly not care that much, or would at least give up by now.
List of edible vegetables: potato, carrot, bean and pea
List of harmful vegetables: onion, garlic, leek, horseradish, etc.
The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.
Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉
Oh man I hope we get to see that. Ren roasting an Ewok on a spit…
Don’t be silly. He couldn’t even beat the poor untrained girl. The bears would roast his ass, literally.
The worst thing about TFA was the lack of dead Ewoks.
Well they did cut the scene where Ren goes to Endor to get grandfather’s mask. 😉
They cut 30 years of the past as well.
Look on the bright side, 30 years of past was untainted. 😃
No. I eat meat. The effort of our ancestors should be respected. They didn’t bring us to the top of the food chain so that we will eat grass now. They would surely curse the vegetarian idiots.
TV’s Frink said:
If you like the Ewoks, feel free to continue your enjoyment of them.I don’t particularly like ewoks. It is just that the rebel victory is completely feasible. Especially when compared to the other unlikely stuff in the trilogy.
Lololololololol
For comparison. Rebel escape from Hoth is way more unreasonable than rebels destroying the shield generator on Endor. The imperials had a massive fleet blocking the planet. Okay they might have temporary disable one star destroyer at a time during the short window period when each transport was dispatched, but the imps had plenty. Even if we forget about the star destroyers themselves, where were countless of TIE fighters? Why weren’t they deployed? One transport and two x-wings would be an extremely easy job for a few TIE fighters. And why didn’t the TIE fighters cover the space around the rebel base and consequently let Luke’s x-wing escape unopposed?
Delicieuxz, I agree. Endor has some amazing visuals.
Aren’t you the one who doesn’t think Skellig Michael has any place in a Star Wars film??
Yes, that is me. At least not in the state it was shot in TFA. It was ugly. At least they could wait for some better weather.
Welcome!
I am sorry, I have never noticed this.
Delicieuxz, I agree. Endor has some amazing visuals. I always loved those matte paintings.
TV’s Frink said:
If you like the Ewoks, feel free to continue your enjoyment of them.
I don’t particularly like ewoks. It is just that the rebel victory is completely feasible. Especially when compared to the other unlikely stuff in the trilogy.
Why am I arguing with someone who seems to think the Ewoks are well-executed?
You are not arguing. You are being lectured about common sense.
You are a child.
I’m with Frink on this. The Emperor is making it out as if his best legion of troops await them at said location, so his VERY best troops should be there on standby. Also, this means the Emperor should had already informed his troops ahead of time that a Rebel strike team was heading to the Shield Generator. Trap, right?
Yes it is a trap. But he doesn’t know where exactly they will strike. And as I already pointed out the obvious, the complex is huge and the legion had to be dispersed to make a trap effective at each of many potential infiltration points. Or should he just put everyone at one door and hope for the best? It doesn’t take a general to see these obvious things. All it takes is common sense.
So the Emperor barely guarded the only thing on the moon worth guarding?
The whole thing was a trap. It’s a trap! The Emperor knew what the Rebels were doing there.
I love all the insane ideas you guys are coming up with trying to defend the idea that the Endor battle makes sense.
But sure, I’m the one who didn’t watch the movie.
Maybe you watched it but you sure didn’t get the very basic stuff. It was a trap for 10 rebel operatives whom Vader allowed to pass in the stolen shuttle. A company-sized unit was a big overkill.
You’re the one who thinks most of the troops were off sipping lemonade on the non-shield generator parts of the planet. Again, why?
I didn’t say that. I assumed you had some common sense. The complex/area seemed to be quite big. The other companies obviously guarded other perimeters (main door, potential other side doors, landing platform, etc.). Wherever the tiny rebel group tried to make their move there would be a company-sized unit waiting for them.
How big is this complex? The size of the planet? That must explain why the rest of the Legion never showed up.
It was huge, judging from the distance between the landing platform and shield emitter unit.
Surely big enough for other companies not be able to show up in a several minutes, the time it took from the capture to entering.
Why am I arguing with someone who seems to think the Ewoks are well-executed?
You are not arguing. You are being lectured about common sense.
Since when do we like our Star Wars original? Star Wars has always been pretty derivative. When it didn’t have the previous instalments to rip off, it ripped off Kurosawa and Flash Gordon.
Taking a few story concepts, such as uptight princess rescue element really isn’t much of a Kurosawa rip-off. It is pretty much an element found in ever third fairytale.
Character such as Vader and Tarkin in my opinion relatively very unique. Not to mention all the other relatively unique stuff and concepts such as death star, the force, lightsabres, spaceship designs, stormtroopers designs, creatures, etc. I said “relatively” because one way or another you can find something similar somewhere and start a petty argument.
On the other hand, TFA directly copied stuff. They didn’t bother to come up with new designs/concepts. We still have the same TIE fighters, X-wings, stormtroopers, etc. We have a bad copy of death star. We have family member plot twist. Etc.
So the Emperor barely guarded the only thing on the moon worth guarding?
The whole thing was a trap. It’s a trap! The Emperor knew what the Rebels were doing there.
I love all the insane ideas you guys are coming up with trying to defend the idea that the Endor battle makes sense.
But sure, I’m the one who didn’t watch the movie.
Maybe you watched it but you sure didn’t get the very basic stuff. It was a trap for 10 rebel operatives whom Vader allowed to pass in the stolen shuttle. A company-sized unit was a big overkill.
You’re the one who thinks most of the troops were off sipping lemonade on the non-shield generator parts of the planet. Again, why?
I didn’t say that. I assumed you had some common sense. The complex/area seemed to be quite big. The other companies obviously guarded other perimeters (main door, potential other side doors, landing platform, etc.). Wherever the tiny rebel group tried to make their move there would be a company-sized unit waiting for them.
I think I would be fine with the TFA scenario: let George write whatever he wants, ditch it and write something completely different. Is there a petition for that?
Well it might just be better than what it would be ditched for. I can’t help myself but to think that at least Lucas’ outline for TFA was light-years more original than what we got.
So the Emperor barely guarded the only thing on the moon worth guarding?
The whole thing was a trap. It’s a trap! The Emperor knew what the Rebels were doing there.
I love all the insane ideas you guys are coming up with trying to defend the idea that the Endor battle makes sense.
But sure, I’m the one who didn’t watch the movie.
Maybe you watched it but you sure didn’t get the very basic stuff. It was a trap for 10 rebel operatives whom Vader allowed to pass in the stolen shuttle. A company-sized unit was a big overkill.
It says that we understand there’s no way a bunch of Ewoks should be able to take down an entire Legion of the Emperor’s best troops.
Well if you watched the film, the imperial unit battling the Ewoks was a company-sized at most. Maybe “entire legion” was on the planet or in the area, but most certainly not at the back-door section.